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    Post by toon h Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:16 pm

    La Saeta Rubia wrote:Romario
    Bebeto
    Mauro Silva
    Redondo
    Laudrup
    R.Carlos
    Zidane
    Figo
    Zamorano
    Hugo Sanchez

    there's a bit of anti Barça bias there I think. after all, we won most of the leagues in this period. Zamorano over Rivaldo?
    Hugo Sanchez was before. No Stoichkov or Romario?
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:18 pm

    In no order:

    Laudrup, Zidane, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Cocu, Figo, Stoitchkov, Romario, Redondo, Roberto Carlos

    Maybe:

    Zamorano, Šuker, McManaman, Ayala, Kluivert
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    Post by d gorgeous one haz spoken Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:21 pm

    Romario
    Ronaldo
    Rivaldo
    Ronaldinho

    Hagi
    Stoichkov
    Michael Laudrup
    Ronald Koeman

    Zidane
    Figo
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    Post by toon h Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:23 pm

    rai Mihawk wrote:In no order:

    Laudrup, Zidane, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Cocu, Figo, Stoitchkov, Romario, Redondo, Roberto Carlos


    good list, but I think there should be a space for Ronaldinho. Maybe at the cost of Cocu, I am sorry to say. He didn't win anything at all, for starters and it would be difficult to leave anyone else out.

    And then maybe only Mauro Silva for maybe Redondo or else Ronaldo, who had one brilliant season with Barça and then some OK spells at RM without the persistence of class Mauro Silva has shown.

    and no one mentioned Mijatovic yet. I suppose he is 11-20 material.

    All in all, we must edge the EPL by just a little. Razz
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    Post by Machiavel Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:32 pm

    @ toon h

    True Cocu may have not won much in La Liga .. but that should not rule him out; hes 'work ethic' alone should give him a high place .. top 15, to to 10, maybe?

    Ronaldinho has a case though, but should he be top 5?, maybe top 10

    The Premiership is only 14 years old .. if we said from 1960 -- the top foreign players in Spain or England -- Spain would win hands down.

    But if we said the best foreigners to play in La Liga (since its creation..1929) and the EPL (1992) .. Spain will still win, by not a 'big' margin?? ...

    As you say, since 1992 -- the best 'foreigners' from both leagues, will be close; but Spain could edge it..
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    Post by Jaime Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:44 pm

    We need criteria...is it just the most talented players we are looking for? Or do things like longevity, titles, significance to club, etc. need to be taken into consideration. If it is the former, then you can consider someone like Ronaldo or Romario. If it's the latter then you have to think about Mauro Silva, Carboni, and Roberto Carlos (who I still think must be included in the list)
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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:48 pm

    Jaime wrote:We need criteria...is it just the most talented players we are looking for? Or do things like longevity, titles, significance to club, etc. need to be taken into consideration. If it is the former, then you can consider someone like Ronaldo or Romario. If it's the latter then you have to think about Mauro Silva, Carboni, and Roberto Carlos (who I still think must be included in the list)

    ok

    i was thing talent in my list, but all those other criteria's are just as important
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:55 pm

    Toon, Romario was at the top of my list, and i have 3 Barça players on the list lol

    Just for the record, picking someone like Cocu over Mauro Silva is a travesty.
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    Post by DeLux Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:28 pm

    What about Mostovoi?
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    Post by Jaime Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:29 pm

    Mostovoi is a good one...if we were doing top 20, he would be included for sure. If he had played somewhere other than Celta Vigo, more people would talk about him. But he was class.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:30 pm

    Karpin is in the same boat.
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    Post by DeLux Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:31 pm

    Gustavo Lopez Wink
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    Post by Jaime Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:38 pm

    Revivo? While we are listing all of the noteworthy foreignors to play for Celta. Smile
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    Post by waft the Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:48 pm

    who mentioned paddy k? Yikes
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    Post by toon h Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:56 pm

    I think we can resume the list as follows:

    Laudrup
    Figo
    Romario
    Mauro Silva
    Zidane
    Rivaldo
    Ronaldinho
    Roberto Carlos

    and then two from Stoichkov, Redondo, Bebeto, Cocu, Ronaldo, Deco, Eto'o, Makelele, Ayala, Carboni or maybe even someone else.
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:54 pm

    toon h wrote:I think we can resume the list as follows:

    Laudrup
    Figo
    Romario
    Mauro Silva
    Zidane
    Rivaldo
    Ronaldinho
    Roberto Carlos

    and then two from Stoichkov, Redondo, Bebeto, Cocu, Ronaldo, Deco, Eto'o, Makelele, Ayala, Carboni or maybe even someone else.

    Nice to see you are not biased and only have 6 Barça players listed not counting the ones who played for both teams ...Laudrup, Figo, Ronaldo & Etoo Wink
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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:57 pm

    La Saeta Rubia wrote:
    toon h wrote:I think we can resume the list as follows:

    Laudrup
    Figo
    Romario
    Mauro Silva
    Zidane
    Rivaldo
    Ronaldinho
    Roberto Carlos

    and then two from Stoichkov, Redondo, Bebeto, Cocu, Ronaldo, Deco, Eto'o, Makelele, Ayala, Carboni or maybe even someone else.

    Nice to see you are not biased and only have 6 Barça players listed not counting the ones who played for both teams ...Laudrup, Figo, Ronaldo & Etoo Wink

    everyone knows barca have been the better team and has the better players over the last 15 years. Very Happy

    Ps Jose has said Stoichkov is the best player he has ever seen so i think he should be in the top 8
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    Post by toon h Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:01 pm

    @ LSR:

    I am only repeating the suggestions made. Besides, since 1991, Barça have won the league 8 times. It is not more than logical that they have the most. If you were to ask me the best player in La Liga in the last 15 years, I have no objections in going on the record as stating it is Raul González.
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:30 pm

    toon h wrote:@ LSR:

    I am only repeating the suggestions made. Besides, since 1991, Barça have won the league 8 times. It is not more than logical that they have the most. If you were to ask me the best player in La Liga in the last 15 years, I have no objections in going on the record as stating it is Raul González.

    Dont let people on here hear you praising Raul, you could be hung drawn and quartered !
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    Post by Guest Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:06 pm

    Raul is top 10 easy.

    but has still be crap for 3 years but can't be criticized, while dinho has been below par for 2 months and Kaka> then him.

    Anyways raul top 10 last 15 years easy
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    Post by terrypaine Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:55 pm

    If we're still talking foreigners, then Mágico González has to be in there - he was a joy to watch and didn't have an ounce of mala leche in him.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:48 pm

    Messiah wrote:Laudrup
    Stoichkov
    Hagi
    Romario
    Ronaldinho
    Figo
    Zidane
    Ronaldo
    Deco
    Cocu

    I really find it strange that u included Deco in the list but no Eto'o, who not only has been longer in spain but has also performed better.

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