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    Post by Murray Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:20 pm

    1-0 Sweden already
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    Post by theflyingfrenchman Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:20 pm

    Wow. Is this Aragones's last game in charge?
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    Post by DS Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:21 pm

    Johan Elmander scored on 10th min.
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:25 pm

    Rosenberg and Kallstrom on the bench for Sweden.
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    Post by A & K Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:28 pm

    I can't understand why Kallstrom is on the bench, he is really a great player who makes me think of Gerrard
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    Post by Murray Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:49 pm

    Half time 1-0
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    Post by waft the Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:50 pm

    wats spains first 11????
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:53 pm

    Casillas

    Sergio Ramos
    Puyol
    Juanito
    Capdevila

    Albelda
    Angulo
    Fabregas
    Xavi

    Villa
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    Post by Romford Pele Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:54 pm

    rai Mihawk wrote:Casillas

    Sergio Ramos
    Puyol
    Juanito
    Capdevila

    Albelda
    Angulo
    Fabregas
    Xavi

    Villa
    Torres

    What you think of that team Rai?

    Not enough width in the team methinks!
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    Post by waft the Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:56 pm

    off fabregas and in comes iniesta the it'll be a better cause iniesta IMO is a better passer and keeps possesion more.....also they should take xavi out and put in luis garcia
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:57 pm

    Joaquin why did you criticise Aragones Laugh

    where is Vicente!

    Luis Garcia is on the bench, btw.
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    Post by Romford Pele Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:59 pm

    Who else is on the bench?
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    Post by Batman Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:04 pm

    yours truly wrote:Who else is on the bench?

    you can find both teams line-ups and subs here:

    http://home.skysports.com/livescores/football/
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    Post by Romford Pele Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:06 pm

    Batman wrote:
    yours truly wrote:Who else is on the bench?

    you can find both teams line-ups and subs here:

    http://home.skysports.com/livescores/football/

    nice one batman should have thought of that <Ale>
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    Post by Effenberg Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:42 pm

    2-0 Allbäck (82')
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:44 pm

    Bye bye Aragones

    Viva Raul y Joaquin!
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    Post by Romford Pele Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:47 pm

    [quote="rai Mihawk"]Bye bye Aragones

    Viva Raul y Joaquin![/quote

    confused I'm bemused though how?? The player's are ridiculosly talented.
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    Post by Machiavel Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:49 pm

    @ yours truly

    Aragones was foolish to drop Raul, when he was on a roll of good games .. and drop Joaquin for criticising him .. where have i heard this before Marco van Basten.

    Something needs to be done, soon!
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:06 pm

    2-0 Brilliant Laugh

    Well done Sweden <Ale>
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    Post by terrypaine Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:07 pm

    Aragonés won't go just yet, Spain still have a better than even chance of qualifying, don't they.
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    Post by terrypaine Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:08 pm

    La Saeta Rubia wrote:2-0 Brilliant Laugh

    Well done Sweden <Ale>

    I thought you were a Spanish supporter, LSR. Question
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:11 pm

    I was, till Aragones took over.
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    Post by terrypaine Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:14 pm

    La Saeta Rubia wrote:I was, till Aragones took over.

    But how can you stop supporting a national team just cos they hire a manager you don't like? I don't rate McLaren but I can't shift allegiances to another national team - wish I could!
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    Post by Deano Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:15 pm

    LSR now supports San Marino
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:15 pm

    I dont think Aragones will be fired, if anything he will leave but the RFEF wont fire him.
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:18 pm

    terrypaine wrote:
    La Saeta Rubia wrote:I was, till Aragones took over.

    But how can you stop supporting a national team just cos they hire a manager you don't like? I don't rate McLaren but I can't shift allegiances to another national team - wish I could!

    Tired of losing and playing like shit. We have tremendous potencial and i hate to see it go to waste.

    Vicente, Reyes, Joaquin, Jesus Navas .... some of the best wingers in the world yet we play without wingers ok

    Juanito ahead of Albiol ? ok

    If it means getting Luis fired i hope we dont make the euro.
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    Post by fcb Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:22 pm

    After watching the game today, I think Spain's problem is obvious - too much rotation. The only players who play regularly are Casillas in goal, Puyol at CB, Ramos at RB, Albelda as a central midfielder, and Villa-Torres up front. The other 5 positions are constantly rotated every single match, and not just in terms of personnel, but also the formation. Sometimes wingers, sometimes no wingers. Sometimes a no. 10 behind the strikers, sometimes not. Sometimes a 4-3-3, sometimes not.

    Aragones is worse than Ranieri, and IMO it really shows because the team just doesn't function as a unit. What's needed is for him (or another coach coming in) to be strong headed, pick his best 11 + maybe 2-3 players, and keep faith with them till they find their feet and identify a style of playing. I know it's tough to ignore all the quality available, but atm what Spain needs is a coach who will be like Domenech in terms of team selection.
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    Post by d gorgeous one haz spoken Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:24 pm

    that's what you get for leaving raul out of the squad when he finally delivers for real madrid again aragones!
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    Post by fcb Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:25 pm

    d gorgeous one haz spoken wrote:that's what you get for leaving raul out of the squad when he finally delivers for real madrid again aragones!

    And unfortunately that's what everyone will perceive as a factor in this defeat, even though it wasn't IMO.
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:26 pm

    Playing a 4-3-3 is stupid. He thinks he`s Rijkaard lol

    We should play a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-4-2

    Joaquin or Navas down one wing and Vicente or Reyes down another.

    Xavi & Xabi in the middle.

    And bring back Raul & Moro.

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