The real ORANJE-ENGLAND topic; before and after the game!

I'll say it again because it really cannot be stated enough:

Michael Carrick needs to stop acting like a fucking pussy when playing for England and dictate the fucking play.

Stop sideways passing to Gerrard and flumps and fucking stamp your authority on the game you idiot.

Just drop both of them and save the bother or at least Lampshit.

Gerrard/Lennon -- Hargreaves -- Carrick -- J Cole

Obispo wrote:I'll say it again because it really cannot be stated enough:

Michael Carrick needs to stop acting like a fucking pussy when playing for England and dictate the fucking play.

Stop sideways passing to Gerrard and flumps and fucking stamp your authority on the game you idiot.

This is the responsibility of the manager. He is not the senior player and will just stick to his role unless told otherwise.

jonathan de guzman wrote:

Obispo wrote:The Dutch are fucking shit. I don't mean that to seem offensive, but there's no other way to put it. Inept.

Van Basten should walk away and maintain atleast a bit of dignity.

that's a bit over the top. Holland friendlies say fuck all (we're always crap in those matches). You watched a totally unispired team. We indeed were shite v Albania too. But v Bulgaria we played better than I've seen England play in 2006.

Only because Van Persie was on the pitch.
Dutch-van persie = nothing.

Parks Lives wrote:Just drop both of them and save the bother or at least Lampshit.

Gerrard/Lennon -- Hargreaves -- Carrick -- J Cole

Carrick is too much of a pussy to work in that formation at the moment.

Took him nearly two months to grow some balls in the United midfield. God knows how long it will be with England.

He needs intelligent team players around him really.

Quite funny, playing 80 min of position play and not score. Then going to the hoofing tactic and score

Lawro should not work for the BBC, unbiased my arse.

Wilson 'the team who invented total football is being out played' .. so it was Ajax v England

Lawro 'the future is not bright'

you know nothing about Dutch football you ignorant twat.


The game


Oranjes best IMO - Schaars (Lampard did not know what he was facing), Urby (i thought he played very well), Seedorf (for his first game in two years .. he did OK), Robben, van der Vaart (should have scored more than once)

Richards amazing for England, good to see J.Cole back .. Rooney and Gerrard threatened .. Carrick was given to much space for his only shot on goal ....

rai Mihawk wrote:Lawro should not work for the BBC, unbiased my arse.

Wilson 'the team who invented total football is being out played' .. so it was Ajax v England

Lawro 'the future is not bright'

you know nothing about Dutch football you ignorant twat.


The game


Oranjes best IMO - Schaars (Lampard did not know what he was facing), Urby (i thought he played very well), Seedorf (for his first game in two years .. he did OK), Robben, van der Vaart (should have scored more than once)

Richards amazing for England, good to see J.Cole back .. Rooney and Gerrard threatened .. Carrick was given to much space for his only shot on goal ....

Lol, Van Gaal, future of England football doesnt look very bright

@ Fey

Did you watch the game on the BBC?

rai Mihawk wrote:@ Fey

Did you watch the game on the BBC?

Yeh

I thought Seedorf was very good, your best player imo.

Fey wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ Fey

Did you watch the game on the BBC?

Yeh

What did you make of Wilson and Lawro?

at least Wilson 'did his research' and knew the players ... Lawro 'the left back' (Urby)

I know the majority of the audience were English, but at least be 'unbiased' for 90mins ..

Alan Hansen on interactive - 'the worst Dutch team ever'

Parks Lives wrote:I thought Seedorf was very good, your best player imo.

Schaars did OK in midfield, loved his acrobatic clearance towards the end

only in the last 10 mins did he switch on his 'box to box' mode ..

rai Mihawk wrote:

Fey wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ Fey

Did you watch the game on the BBC?

Yeh

What did you make of Wilson and Lawro?

at least Wilson 'did his research' and knew the players ... Lawro 'the left back' (Urby)

I know the majority of the audience were English, but at least be 'unbiased' for 90mins ..

Alan Hansen on interactive - 'the worst Dutch team ever'

I loled at how many times they mentioned the 4-1. He is right about that are too many shitty ajax players in the squad tho. Still bad match from both, but at least we tried sometimes to play.

Parks Lives wrote:I thought Seedorf was very good, your best player imo.

I say Urby, Robben and van der Fart did okay. On england side J.cole and A.cole

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Timmer & Stekelenburg 8

Timmer 5
Stekelenburg 7.5 (better than I expected )

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Boulah 3

Agreed, but that was mostly due becasue he had to play as an attacking RB : MADNESS !!!

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Mathijssen 6
Ooijer 6

average defending, very poor buildup : a 5 for both of them

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Urby 4

gave away the goal, also poor in buildup : a 3

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Landzaat 2

he wasn't good, but not as bad as a 2.

a 4.5 is more like it

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Schaars 5

I didn't think he did any better than the other midfielders, except that he showed more effort and is less experienced.

So a 5 is okay.

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Seedorf 5

The curse on his performances for Oranje is still in effect.

He *needs* a proper playmaker besides him to be effective.

VDV in midfield and Kuyt as RW would have solved so many problems...

He did give the ball away too often though : 4.5

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Robben 6

What more could he do ?

He had to do it all by himself....

I'd say he deserves at least a 7

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Kuijt 5

Played out of position once again.

He did try his best : 6.

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Van der Vaart 6

Potentially our best player completely wasted on the RW.

Still he and Robben were the only threats.

....and of course it was Goudhaantje to score the goal : a 7.

(I can't help it, I'm a VDV-fan)

jonathan de guzman wrote:
Marco 1

Grossly overmarked, I was more thinking along the lines of -11.

Obispo wrote:I'll say it again because it really cannot be stated enough:

Michael Carrick needs to stop acting like a fucking pussy when playing for England and dictate the fucking play.

Stop sideways passing to Gerrard and flumps and fucking stamp your authority on the game you idiot.

He plays in awe of them for no damn reason. Do they really have that much power? He's got twice the natural ability of the two put together.

Fey wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:I thought Seedorf was very good, your best player imo.

I say Urby, Robben and van der Fart did okay. On england side J.cole and A.cole

not impressed with Richards on his debut?

I suggest this team for next matches:

--------------Sar---------------
Jaliens-Mathijssen--Ooijer-De Cler
----------Schaars--------------
-----Sneijder--------VDV-------
Kuijt--------RVP--------Robben

borocooper wrote:

Fey wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:I thought Seedorf was very good, your best player imo.

I say Urby, Robben and van der Fart did okay. On england side J.cole and A.cole

not impressed with Richards on his debut?

Yes, but he let Robben go sometimes. Still good for a young player

@ jonathan de guzman

Sneijder in the team?, i dont think everyone will be happy

Fey wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Fey wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:I thought Seedorf was very good, your best player imo.

I say Urby, Robben and van der Fart did okay. On england side J.cole and A.cole

not impressed with Richards on his debut?

Yes, but he let Robben go sometimes. Still good for a young player

He also got caught ball watching a few times as well.

rai Mihawk wrote:@ jonathan de guzman

Sneijder in the team?, i dont think everyone will be happy

who's everyone?

Parks Lives wrote:

Fey wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Fey wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:I thought Seedorf was very good, your best player imo.

I say Urby, Robben and van der Fart did okay. On england side J.cole and A.cole

not impressed with Richards on his debut?

Yes, but he let Robben go sometimes. Still good for a young player

He also got caught ball watching a few times as well.

really good for an 18yr old on his debut though, up against someone like Robben

jonathan de guzman wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ jonathan de guzman

Sneijder in the team?, i dont think everyone will be happy

who's everyone?

Every dutch poster on this board ..

borocooper wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:

Fey wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Fey wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:I thought Seedorf was very good, your best player imo.

I say Urby, Robben and van der Fart did okay. On england side J.cole and A.cole

not impressed with Richards on his debut?

Yes, but he let Robben go sometimes. Still good for a young player

He also got caught ball watching a few times as well.

really good for an 18yr old on his debut though, up against someone like Robben

No Neville though.

borocooper wrote:

really good for an 18yr old on his debut though, up against someone like Robben

I thought he was doing okay too

Parks Lives wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:

Fey wrote:

borocooper wrote:

Fey wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:I thought Seedorf was very good, your best player imo.

I say Urby, Robben and van der Fart did okay. On england side J.cole and A.cole

not impressed with Richards on his debut?

Yes, but he let Robben go sometimes. Still good for a young player

He also got caught ball watching a few times as well.

really good for an 18yr old on his debut though, up against someone like Robben

No Neville though.

yeah, closed his mouth from time to time.

rai Mihawk wrote:

jonathan de guzman wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:@ jonathan de guzman

Sneijder in the team?, i dont think everyone will be happy

who's everyone?

Every dutch poster on this board ..

Sneijder is by far the best midfielder we have if used properly (with a DMF in his back).