Lyon: Europe's BEST ?

Alive and Kicking wrote:You should try as well, it's quite nice

Very witty.

Are all you French so uptight about anyone who doesn't rate Lyon as one of the top 3 teams in Europe?

top three?
top 5 maybe

Here we go, did you read what I wrote above? twat.
I was taking the piss because u like treating people like shit.
By the way I'm half English, so leave the nationality bit on the side.

Alive and Kicking wrote:Here we go, did you read what I wrote above? twat.

The bit taking the piss out of liverpool or what?

I was taking the piss because u like treating people like shit.

Where exactly? LRD after his little rant perhaps. I'm not the one calling people twats for no reason though, am I.

By the way I'm half English, so leave the nationality bit on the side.

Was I referring to you in particular? The fact that FF couldn't help himself with a Liverpool dig tends to prove my point, does it not?

Snowbispo wrote:

Alive and Kicking wrote:Here we go, did you read what I wrote above? twat.

The bit taking the piss out of liverpool or what?

Not this one. I was saying that Lyon were not the best team in europe.

I was taking the piss because u like treating people like shit.

Well, I'm sorry, u often do. Just check the language you use. Pretty arrogant.

By the way I'm half English, so leave the nationality bit on the side.

Was I referring to you in particular? The fact that FF couldn't help himself with a Liverpool dig tends to prove my point, does it not?

Yes you were.
Anyway you are entitled to have your own opinions. But don't get surprised if people start whining at u.

Very disappointed that they finished top of their group. why do u give a shit?

Alive and Kicking wrote:
Very disappointed that they finished top of their group. why do u give a shit?

Because I would have quite liked to see how our current manager would fare against our previous?

Barca is a better draw anyways

Snowbispo wrote:Yawn. Is the only way of proving your point having a poor, rehashed dig at Liverpool. It's unsurprising the only person to find it witty is LRD, given that he's still trying to fit the round pegs into the square holes.

Best midfield in Europe? Stop kidding yourself. That is precisely the kind of hype that makes me sick of the chokers.

Maybe when get past the quater finals I'll change my mind. Until then, why should I? Fuck sakes, with all due respect, even Recreativo just took apart Madrid. It's hardly an impressive feat.

What you mean like the ones you keep having at Bolton and the French?

You should have said "The French", some kind of built and stereotyped entity, francophobics keep childlishly spiting hate on... LOL

BTW, i don't thin Lyon are Europe's best at all but that they've been producing the best football last year and this year so far in the CL... Doesn't mean anything in terms of results...

Lyon are a good team in a shit league....They are a half decent side...But I wouldnt put them above any of the premierships top4
(Man Utd,Chelsea,Arsenal,Liverpool)

Occitan wrote:
BTW, i don't thin Lyon are Europe's best at all but that they've been producing the best football last year and this year so far in the CL... Doesn't mean anything in terms of results...

Best or most effective? Surely "best" is subjective.

I'm personally not a big fan of the way Lyon play though I can understand why others enjoy them. It's the same as United really. I don't like the "Pass it out wide and gain 40 yards through a speedy winger" approach to the game, though obviously some people find it exciting.

Lyon are so much more than that though Obispo. They can score all types of goals, and they can adapt their style to match any team. They very rarely actually pass it to Malouda to get round the side and cross anymore, they try and steamroll through the middle, because then they can have Tiago, Juninho or Kallstrom to bang one in.

Lyon for me are better than Arsenal and Liverpool, probably better in Europe than United (after all, they lost to Celtic), and inferior to Chelsea and Barça.

Deaño-WHUFC wrote:Lyon are a good team in a shit league....They are a half decent side...But I wouldnt put them above any of the premierships top4
(Man Utd,Chelsea,Arsenal,Liverpool)

"Shit League".

Very naive.

You look at the results Monaco had v Real and Chelsea, Marseilles v Newcastle, Liverpool, Lille v Man U, Marseilles v Bolton and that's very daft.

PSG (Landreau, Yepes, Rozehnal, Rothen, Kalou, Pauleta), Monaco (Roma, Givet, Yaya Toure, Plasil, Di Vaio, Koller, Menez) and Nantes are all struggling near the foot of the table - you reckon teams like WHU, 'boro and Man City are any better than these teams ?

Look at Drogba and Essien (arguably the best players in our league right now) - Adebayor, Evra - Diarra a star in La Liga.

There are more stars waiting in Ligue 1.

I reckon Chelsea are prob better than Lyon - Liverpool, Arsenal about equal - Man U inferior.

It doesn't say much for the "best league in the world" when Man U can top it.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:It doesn't say much for the "best league in the world" when Man U can top it.

+20 points for Pierre.

Pierre..you like Ligue 1 so your view will be biased...If it really was a good league then why are Lyon already 17 points clear isit? and have won it year after year....

2nd..yep West Ham,Man City and Boro are better than these teams..just because Watford cant hack the premiership doesnt mean the other teams are shit...

And why the dig at Man Utd?? they have been by far the best team in the league...and yet if "a team like United" can top it when Chelsea have all the money/players they need...doesnt that say something about the league??

Deaño-WHUFC wrote:Pierre..you like Ligue 1 so your view will be biased...If it really was a good league then why are Lyon already 17 points clear isit? and have won it year after year....

2nd..yep West Ham,Man City and Boro are better than these teams..just because Watford cant hack the premiership doesnt mean the other teams are shit...

And why the dig at Man Utd?? they have been by far the best team in the league...and yet if "a team like United" can top it when Chelsea have all the money/players they need...doesnt that say something about the league??

French teams own English teams every time they play each other. As Bolton learned the hard way.

The fact is the Frecnh league is much more competitive below Lyon than any other league - which is why they drop so many points.

well Im not going to get in arguements over opinions....

I just dont think the teams in League 1 are as good as premiership teams...

Lyon are one of the 5 best teams in Europe and if any one can't see that then they are blind, i don't it when people say they are over-rated in Europe just because they have haven't got pass the QF's stage yet most of these same people are saying inter (who have been shit in Europe in forever and can are win a league without any real competition) are one of the fav... to win the entire thing.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

I reckon Chelsea are prob better than Lyon - Liverpool, Arsenal about equal - Man U inferior.

It doesn't say much for the "best league in the world" when Man U can top it.

Haha, so we're behind Arsenal and Liverpool?

We actually completely outplayed Lyon two seasons ago with Alan Smith in midfield.

I feel the comparisons are ridiculous, Liverpool beat Chelsea not so long ago then went on the win the Champions League, yet Chelsea dominated the league, knockout competition is such a gamble, anything can happen.

Anyone could beat anyone in a one off, but in a league, Lyon in the Premiership wouldn't have the depth to compete for the title, 4,5th place would be my estimation.

The premiership is better than the League 1, there's no doubt about that. It attracts better players and financially it's a paradise for players and it's also the most watched league in the world.
As to include Lyon in the premiership it's a quite difficult thing to do. The French league is poor mainly because there are no teams able to compete against Lyon. But the league itself is ranked fourth, after Spain, England, and Italy, so it's not that bad.
I think the main problem is that the other big clubs are too inconsistant. They have quality players but failed because they have shit coaches (who lack european experience).

The only good thing about the League1 beside Lyon, is that there are lots of very good promising young players. Instead of selling them for peanuts (i.e. Gourcuff 6 millions euros?!$#!), they should garanty them with competitive salaries. But no one except Lyon does this.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

I reckon Chelsea are prob better than Lyon - Liverpool, Arsenal about equal - Man U inferior.

It doesn't say much for the "best league in the world" when Man U can top it.

This is just a fucking joke designed to enlicit controversy.

Liverpool and Arsenal better then Man U? based on what? If you go far in the CL but do shit in the league you're still shit, you're just not good enough to concentrate on both. Arsenal were the fourth best team in the country last season and it wouldn't change even if they had won the CL.

The league is always the best barometer of quality for teams from the same country, not some short European competition where a large number of external factors has more impact.

Man U will make the QF at least, and I think Lyon won't go much further. They will get knocked out and everyone will go on about how they blew it mentally. No. They just aren't good enough

I would back us to beat them in a 1v1. They weren't much cop last time

Yes, right. Did you see the game in France?

I'm exaggerating but do you remember our team?

Tim Howard

Wes Brown, Gabriel Heinze, John O'Shea (Phil Neville), Mikael Silvestre

Eric Djemba-Djemba, Ryan Giggs, Roy Keane, Paul Scholes, Cristiano Ronaldo

Ruud van Nistelrooy (Alan Smith)
----
O'Shit, Silvestre and Djemba Djemba all playing and we still draw away with the thrice French Champions 2-2.

We LET you win that group btw

lyon has been made to look way better then their competetors when in reality they arent miles away from the others. the others are just SOO inconsisten it is crazy. one season monaco was ahead with 9 points at one point and let it slip.lyon are the best side in france but they have had it too easy in the league. man utd still have something to prove in europe so hard to say but they are better.

Eric Djemba-Djemba!! What a player!!! When man.utd bought him I was like w.t.f!!! Shouldn't even be on the bench

Festive Genius wrote:I feel the comparisons are ridiculous, Liverpool beat Chelsea not so long ago then went on the win the Champions League, yet Chelsea dominated the league, knockout competition is such a gamble, anything can happen.

Anyone could beat anyone in a one off, but in a league, Lyon in the Premiership wouldn't have the depth to compete for the title, 4,5th place would be my estimation.

The only difference between France and England is that France have a big one and we have a big four.

The other 19 French teams and 16 English teams are of a similar quality IMO.

@ Festive Genius - lack of depth ?!?!

Chelsea and Barca (rightly or wrongly) are regarded as having best teams but prob only Inter have a better squad than Lyon.



I think they'd finish 2nd or 3rd in Prem as they are v.good at grinding out results when not playing well.

Festive Genius wrote:I feel the comparisons are ridiculous, Liverpool beat Chelsea not so long ago then went on the win the Champions League, yet Chelsea dominated the league, knockout competition is such a gamble, anything can happen.

Anyone could beat anyone in a one off, but in a league, Lyon in the Premiership wouldn't have the depth to compete for the title, 4,5th place would be my estimation.

?????

Coupet + Vercoutre. Two excellent goalkeepers, Coupet probably the second best goalkeeper in the world.

RB: Clerc and Reveillère: Both French internationals
CB: Cris + Squillacci= Cris is one of the best defenders in the world and Squillaci is very good too.
CB: Cacapa + Muller = Very experienced players, rarely make mistakes.
LB: Berthod + Abidal - Abidal is the best LB in the world, Berthod is a French youth international.
DMF: Toulalan, Diarra = Two French internationals, both Makelele's designated sucessors.
AMF: Juninho, Tiago, Kallstrom: The real shame is that one of those three is on the bench. All of them are excellent.
RMF: Govou, Wiltord- Well Govou, on form is close to being as good as Ronaldo. Wiltord is still decisive
LMF: Malouda, Ben Arfa: Malouda can, on form, be the best winger in the world. Ben Arfa is finally starting to show why people dubbed him the next Zidane
CF: Carew, Benzema, Fred: Three great players, all capable of great things.


So it's not squad depth they're lacking. Or talent.

Hype!Hype!

theflyingsnowman wrote:

Festive Genius wrote:I feel the comparisons are ridiculous, Liverpool beat Chelsea not so long ago then went on the win the Champions League, yet Chelsea dominated the league, knockout competition is such a gamble, anything can happen.

Anyone could beat anyone in a one off, but in a league, Lyon in the Premiership wouldn't have the depth to compete for the title, 4,5th place would be my estimation.

?????

Coupet + Vercoutre. Two excellent goalkeepers, Coupet probably the second best goalkeeper in the world.

RB: Clerc and Reveillère: Both French internationals
CB: Cris + Squillacci= Cris is one of the best defenders in the world and Squillaci is very good too.
CB: Cacapa + Muller = Very experienced players, rarely make mistakes.
LB: Berthod + Abidal - Abidal is the best LB in the world, Berthod is a French youth international.
DMF: Toulalan, Diarra = Two French internationals, both Makelele's designated sucessors.
AMF: Juninho, Tiago, Kallstrom: The real shame is that one of those three is on the bench. All of them are excellent.
RMF: Govou, Wiltord- Well Govou, on form is close to being as good as Ronaldo. Wiltord is still decisive
LMF: Malouda, Ben Arfa: Malouda can, on form, be the best winger in the world. Ben Arfa is finally starting to show why people dubbed him the next Zidane
CF: Carew, Benzema, Fred: Three great players, all capable of great things.


So it's not squad depth they're lacking. Or talent.

So let me get this straight, they have the second best goalkeeper in the world, two of the best defenders in the world. Not one but TWO Makeleles, three "excellent" CMs, a right winger who can be as good as Ronaldo, the best winger in the world on the other side AND three exceptional strikers.

My god. They are better then I thought!

So much unsubstantiated hype I feel I am gonna barf.

By the way I am gonna bookmark this post and repost it when they next surrender in Europe (a regular occurrence).