Lyon: Europe's BEST ?

theflyingsnowman wrote:

Festive Genius wrote:I feel the comparisons are ridiculous, Liverpool beat Chelsea not so long ago then went on the win the Champions League, yet Chelsea dominated the league, knockout competition is such a gamble, anything can happen.

Anyone could beat anyone in a one off, but in a league, Lyon in the Premiership wouldn't have the depth to compete for the title, 4,5th place would be my estimation.

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Coupet + Vercoutre. Two excellent goalkeepers, Coupet probably the second best goalkeeper in the world.

RB: Clerc and Reveillère: Both French internationals
CB: Cris + Squillacci= Cris is one of the best defenders in the world and Squillaci is very good too.
CB: Cacapa + Muller = Very experienced players, rarely make mistakes.
LB: Berthod + Abidal - Abidal is the best LB in the world, Berthod is a French youth international.
DMF: Toulalan, Diarra = Two French internationals, both Makelele's designated sucessors.
AMF: Juninho, Tiago, Kallstrom: The real shame is that one of those three is on the bench. All of them are excellent.
RMF: Govou, Wiltord- Well Govou, on form is close to being as good as Ronaldo. Wiltord is still decisive
LMF: Malouda, Ben Arfa: Malouda can, on form, be the best winger in the world. Ben Arfa is finally starting to show why people dubbed him the next Zidane
CF: Carew, Benzema, Fred: Three great players, all capable of great things.


So it's not squad depth they're lacking. Or talent.

with all that quality how do you explain their lack of cl succes in the last couple of years. and i see succes in cl as reaching the semis btw.if they are to concedered a top team they cant break down mentally like they did last season in cl vs milan.they are a very good team when it comes to teams below them and they are very humble but when it really counts they have not shown true quality(porto,psv,milan). of those teams they should have been able to beat porto or psv. and when you consider that this team has played together the last 3-4 years they should be better. i think they are overrated but i'll give them this year to prove me wrong and it starts with roma.

Owen Thomas wrote:By the way I am gonna bookmark this post and repost it when they next surrender in Europe (a regular occurrence).

The French surrender? Never

People like to hype Lyon up time and time again.

I think they're a fantastic side don't get me wrong, but they're not a team I would have as favorites for this trophy every year

LuisYouAMerryChristmas wrote:People like to hype Lyon up time and time again.

I think they're a fantastic side don't get me wrong, but they're not a team I would have as favorites for this trophy every year

Yeah, it's not as if we are all saying they're crap. They are certainly top 10 in Europe, but Pierre and other Lique 1 lovers consistently masturbate over them every season and it's starting to grate.

People hype Lyon because they play beautiful football and don't come from the big 3. PSV and Porto, the two other teams who managed to make a real impact on the competition in the past years who haven't come from the big 3, played negative anti-football.

And for people wondering why Lyon didn't go through against PSV, the answer is simple: they were robbed. then last year against Milan, they had Juninho and Tiago suspended (which is why they bought Kallstrom), and were through until the 89th minute.

This year they should do it, if they don't draw Chelsea or Barça n the QFs.

theflyingsnowman wrote:People hype Lyon because they play beautiful football and don't come from the big 3. PSV and Porto, the two other teams who managed to make a real impact on the competition in the past years who haven't come from the big 3, played negative anti-football.

And for people wondering why Lyon didn't go through against PSV, the answer is simple: they were robbed. then last year against Milan, they had Juninho and Tiago suspended (which is why they bought Kallstrom), and were through until the 89th minute.

This year they should do it, if they don't draw Chelsea or Barça n the QFs.

Ah good god how pathetic.

Lyon played just as much counter attack football as Porto and PSV did. It always baffled me how people can make opinions about 3 games they see from them. Porto and PSV were not overly attacking yes, but they were just as effective.

Lyon lost due a magnificent save from Gomes and because they were the coolest team in the penalty shootout. Nothing more, nothing less.

Note how many if if if there are. If MvB didn't less his man run in their semi against Milan they were also through. Its just a non-argument.

Anyway, Lyon have avenged their defeat to PSV last season. This year they are very much stronger: They've got rid of Diarra, but they've brought in two very good DMs, both young French internationals. They've got rid of Pedretti and brought in Kallstrom, and they got rid of Monsoreau to bring in Squillaci. Very shrewd pieces of business, the squad looks much improved now. This year, lyon have taken 50 points from 19 matches, six more than last season: all this with their three strikers out!

theflyingsnowman wrote:People hype Lyon because they play beautiful football and don't come from the big 3. PSV and Porto, the two other teams who managed to make a real impact on the competition in the past years who haven't come from the big 3, played negative anti-football.

And for people wondering why Lyon didn't go through against PSV, the answer is simple: they were robbed. then last year against Milan, they had Juninho and Tiago suspended (which is why they bought Kallstrom), and were through until the 89th minute.

This year they should do it, if they don't draw Chelsea or Barça n the QFs.

did you actually see the psv side that played milan in the semis. they were attacking way more then lyon did. psv were all over them both at san siro and at home. whereas lyon started to defend their lead they got.

oh my. :shakes head:

toon h wrote:oh my. :shakes head:

why are you shaking your head toon ?

COTR wrote:

toon h wrote:oh my. :shakes head:

why are you shaking your head toon ?

people defending postures that aren't necessarily their own just to create argument.

From what I've seen this Lyon team plays good football at times. I think perhaps some people don't like to admit that there is good football outside the top 3 leagues, and perhaps others that like to make more of it than what it really is.

I think the fact that quite a few of them have been at the club for some time is a positive point, and those that are new have fit in well from the looks of things.

In comparison to a club like Porto for example, Lyon's squad has been able to gel to a much greater degree. Porto is putting this current squad together so it'll take some time to get the best out of it.

The notion that poorer clubs have to play negative football to do well isn't a given. Although Porto did play a much more negative game in their winning season, the played very good football the year before in winning the Uefa Cup and even Mourinho has admitted that was his best ever side.

Again I think part of the problem is that some people right off any club outside the main contenders without actually knowing anything about them, while others compensate by overstating the ability/chances of these outsider clubs. Lyon has a good squad and could win it or they could not...just like anyone else.

What they do need however is to not buy into their own hype as the rich clubs often do as we've all seen where that will get you.

Cunt. I hope Lille thrash Man Utd tomorrow. It won't happen, but oh god would it be sweet.

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Cunt. I hope Lille thrash Man Utd tomorrow. It won't happen, but oh god would it be sweet.

You have the bestest squad ever, how could you ever lose?

I love it when Italia get a victory of the French

Stefan Kuntz wrote:

Deaño-WHUFC wrote:Lyon are a good team in a shit league....They are a half decent side...But I wouldnt put them above any of the premierships top4
(Man Utd,Chelsea,Arsenal,Liverpool)

"Shit League".

Very naive.

You look at the results Monaco had v Real and Chelsea, Marseilles v Newcastle, Liverpool, Lille v Man U, Marseilles v Bolton and that's very daft.

PSG (Landreau, Yepes, Rozehnal, Rothen, Kalou, Pauleta), Monaco (Roma, Givet, Yaya Toure, Plasil, Di Vaio, Koller, Menez) and Nantes are all struggling near the foot of the table - you reckon teams like WHU, 'boro and Man City are any better than these teams ?

Look at Drogba and Essien (arguably the best players in our league right now) - Adebayor, Evra - Diarra a star in La Liga.

There are more stars waiting in Ligue 1.

I reckon Chelsea are prob better than Lyon - Liverpool, Arsenal about equal - Man U inferior.

It doesn't say much for the "best league in the world" when Man U can top it.

I stand by that.

DeañoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote: West Ham,Man City and Boro are better than these teams..just because Watford cant hack the premiership doesnt mean the other teams are shit...

Stefan Kuntz wrote:

DeañoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote: West Ham,Man City and Boro are better than these teams..just because Watford cant hack the premiership doesnt mean the other teams are shit...

You are above us on GD....you haven't won as many games as us....your team is worth about 25% of ours...you have a shit stadium...you have a small fanbase...you don't have much history..you have Damien Francis

DeañoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

Stefan Kuntz wrote:

DeañoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote: West Ham,Man City and Boro are better than these teams..just because Watford cant hack the premiership doesnt mean the other teams are shit...

You are above us on GD....you haven't won as many games as us....your team is worth about 25% of ours...you have a shit stadium...you have a small fanbase...you don't have much history..you have Damien Francis

...we have 4 points from you, we have a place in the FA Cup QF.

We also have Hameur Bouazza - ooh can we swap him for Matty Etherington ?

Ooh please can we ?

No sorry....we don't want to weaken our squad....

as for the FA Cup QF...we have won it 3 times...to your??

DeañoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:No sorry....we don't want to weaken our squad....

as for the FA Cup QF...we have won it 3 times...to your??

We haven't won it - we're not a MASSIVE club like you.

We're just a small town club. (who took 4 points off you and knocked you out of the cup)

Stefan Kuntz wrote:

DeañoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:No sorry....we don't want to weaken our squad....

as for the FA Cup QF...we have won it 3 times...to your??

We haven't won it - we're not a MASSIVE club like you.

We're just a small town club. (who took 4 points off you and knocked you out of the cup)

Well done...I hope you remember this forever....You've only beaten us 5 times in about 35 attemtps though...losing 24 in the process

Barclays Premiership Table

P GD PTS
1 Man Utd 29 47 72
2 Chelsea 28 31 63
3 Liverpool 29 24 53
4 Arsenal 27 27 52
5 Bolton 29 0 47
6 Everton 29 11 43
7 Reading 29 5 43
8 Tottenham 29 -3 42
9 Portsmouth 29 5 41
10 Blackburn 29 -4 40
11 Newcastle 29 -3 37
12 Middlesbrough 29 -2 36
13 Aston Villa 28 -5 33
14 Fulham 29 -13 33
15 Wigan 29 -14 32
16 Sheff Utd 29 -16 31
17 Man City 27 -13 30
18 Charlton 29 -23 24
19 Watford 29 -25 20
20 West Ham 29 -29 20

Stefan Kuntz wrote:

We also have Hameur Bouazza - ooh can we swap him for Matty Etherington ?

Ooh please can we ?

That's a bit of a gamble, ain't it?



"Oh no, words fail me"

95:13=1 minute and 13 seconds over the time that should have been played...

Well done for finding evidence that T*ttenham once again got an undeserved victory...

Do us all a favour....go bankrupt and cease to exist

Your corner which led to the goal was taken at 94:46, if you want to be picky. Should've just thrown in the towel there & then

TeamSpirit wrote:Your corner which led to the goal was taken at 94:46, if you want to be picky. Should've just thrown in the towel there & then

Yup..the game should've been over before then...however we didn't score..you did...

You then sing "Yid Army" and complain about West Ham fans singing songs about Yids

I think it was people singing "I'd rather be a P*ki than a Jew" which rubbed up the Met & the "Kick it Out" campaigners the wrong way

The worst thing is..this was at Half Time...wasn't sung to Spurs supporters...all because a Jewish Spurs fan found a video on the net and made a complaint...