Chelsea vs Arsenal official thread

kas wrote:Going back to the main subject of this thread, how come I don't hear any Chelsea fans (or other English fans for that matter) saying anything about how the Chelsea players surrounded the ref and argued with him over so many decisions?

It's only cheating when Barcelona do it, isn't it?

Rez wrote:@TTD

You would have swapped the whole spurs team for that 6 yard box player. Goals win games, when the ball goes flying accross the box and your centre forward is on the edge of the box, you wish you had that player. Everyone makes out that its easy to score the closer you are to goal, if it was so easy everyone would score goals and infact its harder as there are more players going for the same ball.

Crespo is class, although I would rather have Henry, who incidently also gets a raw deal on this board.

LRD Ruud is class, is it also no coincidence that, Keane loses his legs, Scholes plays crap and then loses his sight, Giggs plays crap and Ronaldo doesnt cross the ball and plays for himself, fletcher, OShea and Richardson start playing and United start losing playing crap and dont win anything. Not one player is ever to blame for a team playing crap, nor is one player the reason a team plays well.

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:

kas wrote:Going back to the main subject of this thread, how come I don't hear any Chelsea fans (or other English fans for that matter) saying anything about how the Chelsea players surrounded the ref and argued with him over so many decisions?

It's only cheating when Barcelona do it, isn't it?

Which decisions are you talking about? The fact that Senderos did not get booked? The 3-4 handballs the ref missed? Or the Lehmann/Drogba incident where both sets of players surrounded the ref?

kas wrote:

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:

kas wrote:Going back to the main subject of this thread, how come I don't hear any Chelsea fans (or other English fans for that matter) saying anything about how the Chelsea players surrounded the ref and argued with him over so many decisions?

It's only cheating when Barcelona do it, isn't it?

Which decisions are you talking about? The fact that Senderos did not get booked? The 3-4 handballs the ref missed? Or the Lehmann/Drogba incident where both sets of players surrounded the ref?

The fact that they went against you doesn't mean that it's ok for the players to surround the ref. All I'm saying is if that was Barcelona, it would be the first thing everyone mentioned (no doubt with phrases like "cheating spaniards" etc.) during and after the game.

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

kas wrote:

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:

kas wrote:Going back to the main subject of this thread, how come I don't hear any Chelsea fans (or other English fans for that matter) saying anything about how the Chelsea players surrounded the ref and argued with him over so many decisions?

It's only cheating when Barcelona do it, isn't it?

Which decisions are you talking about? The fact that Senderos did not get booked? The 3-4 handballs the ref missed? Or the Lehmann/Drogba incident where both sets of players surrounded the ref?

The fact that they went against you doesn't mean that it's ok for the players to surround the ref. All I'm saying is if that was Barcelona, it would be the first thing everyone mentioned (no doubt with phrases like "cheating spaniards" etc.) during and after the game.

Kas.... only foreigners cheat

Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:

kas wrote:

'S4P' of Orient Are wrote:

kas wrote:Going back to the main subject of this thread, how come I don't hear any Chelsea fans (or other English fans for that matter) saying anything about how the Chelsea players surrounded the ref and argued with him over so many decisions?

It's only cheating when Barcelona do it, isn't it?

Which decisions are you talking about? The fact that Senderos did not get booked? The 3-4 handballs the ref missed? Or the Lehmann/Drogba incident where both sets of players surrounded the ref?

The fact that they went against you doesn't mean that it's ok for the players to surround the ref. All I'm saying is if that was Barcelona, it would be the first thing everyone mentioned (no doubt with phrases like "cheating spaniards" etc.) during and after the game.

Kas.... only foreigners cheat

Roger_Hunt wrote:I think the cultural difference is in which cheating is considered acceptable. Over here, when Maradona admitted to Gary Lineker about the Hand of God he was proud of it, his attitude is that conning the referee by guile is to his credit.

Over here we'd like to think that we won by playing fair... most of the time... Plenty of examples the other way I know. But no-one here would admit to cheating and expect to get credit for it.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
Hopefully Abramovich will insist on him playing and it will force Jose to Inter at the end of the season (the prospect of him managing at Palermo is mouth-watering after the "mafia" comments - won't be such a cocky bastard when that comes around).

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
MOURINHO: For forgetting that he is a motivator and not a tactician

Whoever heard of a Diamond in the Premiership ?

Its a South American/Italian thing - not for a Portuguese manager or English/German players.

You look at the players he selects and he doesn't understand the diamond - you don't have Ashley Cole, Lampard and Ballack in that formation (Essien was made for the right side of the diamond mind you).

You don't sign a player who is better at striking the ball between 18 and 30 yards than anyone and then put 2 attacking midfielders in the side to clog up that area.

King Herod-rada wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
MOURINHO: For forgetting that he is a motivator and not a tactician

Whoever heard of a Diamond in the Premiership ?

Its a South American/Italian thing - not for a Portuguese manager or English/German players.

You look at the players he selects and he doesn't understand the diamond - you don't have Ashley Cole, Lampard and Ballack in that formation (Essien was made for the right side of the diamond mind you).

You don't sign a player who is better at striking the ball between 18 and 30 yards than anyone and then put 2 attacking midfielders in the side to clog up that area.

Correct me if Im wrong - but did he not win the CL with Porto playing a diamond midfield ?

I agree it shoulodnt be used in the PL though. And Ballack was a stupid stupid buy.

King Herod-rada wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
MOURINHO: For forgetting that he is a motivator and not a tactician

Whoever heard of a Diamond in the Premiership ?

Its a South American/Italian thing - not for a Portuguese manager or English/German players.

You look at the players he selects and he doesn't understand the diamond - you don't have Ashley Cole, Lampard and Ballack in that formation (Essien was made for the right side of the diamond mind you).

You don't sign a player who is better at striking the ball between 18 and 30 yards than anyone and then put 2 attacking midfielders in the side to clog up that area.

Correct me if Im wrong - but did he not win the CL with Porto playing a diamond midfield ?

I agree it shoulodnt be used in the PL though. And Ballack was a stupid stupid buy.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:RE Sheva - lots of people need to share the blame.

SHEVA:

Choosing to go to Chelsea.

Mental weaknesses - he looks jittery every time he's on the ball yet claims to be a self-confident man.


LAMPARD*:

More iconic than people think and not just in football - he sums up today's culture of greed and wanting personal success ahead of that of the team.

I cannot believe Agooner used the Levski assist to support the idea that he creates chances for Sheva - it supports my idea that if Lampard would create for him more often he would probably score more often.


BALLACK: How is this lazy ponce an "untouchable" ?


MOURINHO: For forgetting that he is a motivator and not a tacticianWhoever heard of a Diamond in the Premiership ?

Its a South American/Italian thing - not for a Portuguese manager or English/German players.

You look at the players he selects and he doesn't understand the diamond - you don't have Ashley Cole, Lampard and Ballack in that formation (Essien was made for the right side of the diamond mind you).

You don't sign a player who is better at striking the ball between 18 and 30 yards than anyone and then put 2 attacking midfielders in the side to clog up that area.


ABRAMOVICH: Two words for him - "Real Madrid"


Hopefully Abramovich will insist on him playing and it will force Jose to Inter at the end of the season (the prospect of him managing at Palermo is mouth-watering after the "mafia" comments - won't be such a cocky bastard when that comes around).



With regards to other points on this thread - Crespo has the best movement (see goal v Liverpool last season and Sporting a couple of weeks back - you don't need pace to smash an offside trap - he and Sheva are the best forwards in the game at beating offsides)
certainly not Ruud who's runs aren't up to scratch at the highest level.

Crespo has scored a brace in a CL final and done Brazil in WC qualifiers - can't see Ruud managing that.

@ COTR - Sheva was a support striker for last couple of seasons and is probably the most complete CF since Patrick Kluivert (R.I.P.)



*Went to the same school as Richard Madeley and Jodie Marsh - and you have to pay to send your kids there !

King Herod-rada wrote:I wouldnt want Hiddink tbh. Not sure who though...Aidy Boothroyd perhaps ?

Agooner wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:RE Sheva - lots of people need to share the blame.

SHEVA:

Choosing to go to Chelsea.

Mental weaknesses - he looks jittery every time he's on the ball yet claims to be a self-confident man.


LAMPARD*:

More iconic than people think and not just in football - he sums up today's culture of greed and wanting personal success ahead of that of the team.

I cannot believe Agooner used the Levski assist to support the idea that he creates chances for Sheva - it supports my idea that if Lampard would create for him more often he would probably score more often.


BALLACK: How is this lazy ponce an "untouchable" ?


MOURINHO: For forgetting that he is a motivator and not a tacticianWhoever heard of a Diamond in the Premiership ?

Its a South American/Italian thing - not for a Portuguese manager or English/German players.

You look at the players he selects and he doesn't understand the diamond - you don't have Ashley Cole, Lampard and Ballack in that formation (Essien was made for the right side of the diamond mind you).

You don't sign a player who is better at striking the ball between 18 and 30 yards than anyone and then put 2 attacking midfielders in the side to clog up that area.


ABRAMOVICH: Two words for him - "Real Madrid"


Hopefully Abramovich will insist on him playing and it will force Jose to Inter at the end of the season (the prospect of him managing at Palermo is mouth-watering after the "mafia" comments - won't be such a cocky bastard when that comes around).



With regards to other points on this thread - Crespo has the best movement (see goal v Liverpool last season and Sporting a couple of weeks back - you don't need pace to smash an offside trap - he and Sheva are the best forwards in the game at beating offsides)
certainly not Ruud who's runs aren't up to scratch at the highest level.

Crespo has scored a brace in a CL final and done Brazil in WC qualifiers - can't see Ruud managing that.

@ COTR - Sheva was a support striker for last couple of seasons and is probably the most complete CF since Patrick Kluivert (R.I.P.)



*Went to the same school as Richard Madeley and Jodie Marsh - and you have to pay to send your kids there !

Did u just type that or did u mean it?

There isn't a better tactician in the world imo.

The Bulk wrote:

King Herod-rada wrote:I wouldnt want Hiddink tbh. Not sure who though...Aidy Boothroyd perhaps ?

Hiddink is an excellent manager and coach, why wouldn’t you want him?

Surely – if what I’ve read about his preferred style is true – Boothroyd’s conception of how football should be played isn’t congruent with what Abramovich expects to see at Stamford Bridge?

The Bulk wrote:

King Herod-rada wrote:I wouldnt want Hiddink tbh. Not sure who though...Aidy Boothroyd perhaps ?

Hiddink is an excellent manager and coach, why wouldn’t you want him?

Surely – if what I’ve read about his preferred style is true – Boothroyd’s conception of how football should be played isn’t congruent with what Abramovich expects to see at Stamford Bridge?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:RE Sheva - lots of people need to share the blame.

SHEVA:

Choosing to go to Chelsea.

Mental weaknesses - he looks jittery every time he's on the ball yet claims to be a self-confident man.


LAMPARD*:

More iconic than people think and not just in football - he sums up today's culture of greed and wanting personal success ahead of that of the team.

I cannot believe Agooner used the Levski assist to support the idea that he creates chances for Sheva - it supports my idea that if Lampard would create for him more often he would probably score more often.


BALLACK: How is this lazy ponce an "untouchable" ?


MOURINHO: For forgetting that he is a motivator and not a tacticianWhoever heard of a Diamond in the Premiership ?

Its a South American/Italian thing - not for a Portuguese manager or English/German players.

You look at the players he selects and he doesn't understand the diamond - you don't have Ashley Cole, Lampard and Ballack in that formation (Essien was made for the right side of the diamond mind you).

You don't sign a player who is better at striking the ball between 18 and 30 yards than anyone and then put 2 attacking midfielders in the side to clog up that area.


ABRAMOVICH: Two words for him - "Real Madrid"


Hopefully Abramovich will insist on him playing and it will force Jose to Inter at the end of the season (the prospect of him managing at Palermo is mouth-watering after the "mafia" comments - won't be such a cocky bastard when that comes around).



With regards to other points on this thread - Crespo has the best movement (see goal v Liverpool last season and Sporting a couple of weeks back - you don't need pace to smash an offside trap - he and Sheva are the best forwards in the game at beating offsides)
certainly not Ruud who's runs aren't up to scratch at the highest level.

Crespo has scored a brace in a CL final and done Brazil in WC qualifiers - can't see Ruud managing that.

@ COTR - Sheva was a support striker for last couple of seasons and is probably the most complete CF since Patrick Kluivert (R.I.P.)



*Went to the same school as Richard Madeley and Jodie Marsh - and you have to pay to send your kids there !

Did u just type that or did u mean it?

There isn't a better tactician in the world imo.

Yes I did.

Benitez is far better.

Rijkaard (or his assistant so we're told - the Dutch posters would know more)

There aren't many great ones to be fair so Mourinho would be one of the best by default.

Boothroyd's preferred style for which players though - don't assume it would be the same for a group of players other than Watford's.

...and Hiddink's would ?

His teams have hardly been stimulating.

kas wrote:tbh, I wouldn't really call Rijkaard a brilliant tactician. He is probably one of the best coaches in the world at man-management, and that's exactly what's needed with the players at Barcelona. Rijkaard just came with his ideal formation, tinkered around till he got the right players. Once the basic formation was right, he implemented other aspects to the game like man to man defending (which is really a Dutch thing), pressure on the ball in all areas of the pitch, etc. and then all he has had to do is motivate the players and make sure they are mentally prepared for their opponents.

This season some of his tactical decisions (substitutions in the Chelsea game, playing without a DM against Madrid, etc.) have backfired big time. Even last season in the CL final, I was shocked to see Van Bommel over Iniesta in the lineup, and we all saw the difference when he finally substituted the two.