Chelsea vs Arsenal official thread

Agooner wrote:

L r d wrote:

Rez wrote:@Agooner

RVN would and does score goals for anyone, him and Ronaldo are one of the few players who have scored goals everywhere. I thought Sheva would join this elite group, but he hasnt so far, maybe his best days are behind him.

rvn wins nothing for everybody, and ruins the play of every team. I put sheva above him, purely because milan got to two champions league finals with him being the main man, while rvn was abysmal in the knockout stages usually

RVN is one of the best strikers ever - better than crespo

You are clueless on rvn as is everybody. You all said man utd would score less without him, you know nothing on this subject. rvn is the most overated player ever in the history of football

Crespo >>>>>> Henry.

Rafa the Grinch wrote:@ agooner. shevchenko has scored very few goals and he plays for one of the top two teams in europe and you are trying to argue lampards case because he has indirectly supplied about 3 assists in about half a seasons play. I do hope you a kidding

no he has created 3 clear cut chances which sheva took and was involved in one of his other goals - that is good imo. I'd like to know how many assists has deco provided for guddy so far this season

L r d wrote:

Agooner wrote:

L r d wrote:

Rez wrote:@Agooner

RVN would and does score goals for anyone, him and Ronaldo are one of the few players who have scored goals everywhere. I thought Sheva would join this elite group, but he hasnt so far, maybe his best days are behind him.

rvn wins nothing for everybody, and ruins the play of every team. I put sheva above him, purely because milan got to two champions league finals with him being the main man, while rvn was abysmal in the knockout stages usually

RVN is one of the best strikers ever - better than crespo

You are clueless on rvn as is everybody. You all said man utd would score less without him, you know nothing on this subject. rvn is the most overated player ever in the history of football

Thats rubbish and you know it.

For 2/3 seasons he was about as good as any striker in the World. He's just over the hill now.

ParktheHeraldAngelsSing wrote:

L r d wrote:

Agooner wrote:

L r d wrote:

Rez wrote:@Agooner

RVN would and does score goals for anyone, him and Ronaldo are one of the few players who have scored goals everywhere. I thought Sheva would join this elite group, but he hasnt so far, maybe his best days are behind him.

rvn wins nothing for everybody, and ruins the play of every team. I put sheva above him, purely because milan got to two champions league finals with him being the main man, while rvn was abysmal in the knockout stages usually

RVN is one of the best strikers ever - better than crespo

You are clueless on rvn as is everybody. You all said man utd would score less without him, you know nothing on this subject. rvn is the most overated player ever in the history of football

Thats rubbish and you know it.

For 2/3 seasons he was about as good as any striker in the World. He's just over the hill now.

For half a season he was as good as anybody. That's all. The rest rubbish, Man Utd were always better without him. Examples when he was injured 2004, when he was dropped last season. When he was left out v leeds back 4 years ago.
He had half a season where his goals won man utd the title, but beckham made loads of them, plus many penalties he is so overated, and people so blinded by goals, it is just ridiculous.

he is just struggling to adapt to the Prem and the system and players around him.

I agree that we are a better team without him but there was a couple of seasons were he was amazing and never at the detriment of the team either. 2002/2003 and 2003/2004 he was absolute class.

Scored against all the top teams as well.

Snowbispo wrote:Crespo >>>>>> Henry.

that's just because u don't want to agree rvn > crespo

seriously here are their stats for the past 5 seasons:

RVN

2001/02 Manchester United 32 23 Premiership
2002/03 Manchester United 34 25 Premiership
2003/04 Manchester United 33 22 Premiership
2004/05 Manchester United 18 6 Premiership
2005/06 Manchester United 35 21 Premiership
2006/07 Real Madrid 14 8

Crespo

2000/01 Lazio Roma 32 26 Serie A
2001/02 Lazio Roma 22 12 Serie A
2002/03 Internazionale 17 7 Serie A
2003/04 Chelsea 19 10 Premiership
2004/05 AC Milan 28 11 Serie A
2005/06 Chelsea 31 10 Premiership
2006/07 Internazionale 14 7 Serie A


crespo hasn't even scored 15 goals a sseason for almost 6 seasons now

Playing devil's advecote, Ruud's stats for last season don't tell the whole story. He was incredibly poor in some games, even one's he managed to score in as well.

Agooner wrote:

Snowbispo wrote:Crespo >>>>>> Henry.

that's just because u don't want to agree rvn > crespo

seriously here are their stats for the past 5 seasons:

RVN

2001/02 Manchester United 32 23 Premiership
2002/03 Manchester United 34 25 Premiership
2003/04 Manchester United 33 22 Premiership
2004/05 Manchester United 18 6 Premiership
2005/06 Manchester United 35 21 Premiership
2006/07 Real Madrid 14 8

Crespo

2000/01 Lazio Roma 32 26 Serie A
2001/02 Lazio Roma 22 12 Serie A
2002/03 Internazionale 17 7 Serie A
2003/04 Chelsea 19 10 Premiership
2004/05 AC Milan 28 11 Serie A
2005/06 Chelsea 31 10 Premiership
2006/07 Internazionale 14 7 Serie A


crespo hasn't even scored 15 goals a sseason for almost 6 seasons now

Arsenal fans and the pointless stats. Please tell me who cares about this. we know rvn scores goals. if you actually watched the games, and was not a teletext viewer, then you can see he does fuck all else, infact ruins many attacks. Why did man utd score more goals when ruud is injured or suspended? why did man utd play better and win more when he is injured or suspended. why did ruud join the most successful team ever, that won the cl prem 3 times and f.a cup in previous 3 seasons, yet win fuck all in 5 years, then he leaves and suddenly man utd are back on top???

I am judging him as a striker ie his ability to put the ball in the back of the net, rvn > crespo.

btw crespo also contributes almost nothing in general play

Agooner wrote:
crespo hasn't even scored 15 goals a sseason for almost 6 seasons now

Oh well... He has managed to score a 1-vs-1 in a Champions League final atleast...


Thierry who?

Agooner wrote:
btw crespo also contributes almost nothing in general play

Except for the fact that he has the best off the ball movement of any striker in the world...

Snowbispo wrote:

Agooner wrote:
btw crespo also contributes almost nothing in general play

Except for the fact that he has the best off the ball movement of any striker in the world...

Snowbispo wrote:

Agooner wrote:
btw crespo also contributes almost nothing in general play

Except for the fact that he has the best off the ball movement of any striker in the world...

RVN movements in the box is second to none

Agooner wrote:I am judging him as a striker ie his ability to put the ball in the back of the net, rvn > crespo.

btw crespo also contributes almost nothing in general play

Crespo i dont know if he is better than rvn. But he for a sub half the time he did very well for chelsea, and his previous teams, and now going to win the league with his new team. also for his country good record, i dont see much difference between them.

I'm not talking about just in the box though.

@LRD

Dont be blinded by hate, for about 2/3 seasons RVN was awesome, the goal agianst Arsenal, that goal against Fulham, Deportiva, goal against Germany,he scored against everyone. The CL is the true test of a player and he has a better goal to game ratio than anyone.

If you score and your defence conceeds goals, its not your fault you lose, your dong your job. Everyone seems to be too eager to praise all round players who work hard for the team, assist team mates and score goals. I can only think of Eto and maybe Henry who do this well, the rest cant finish properly. The reason why prolific strikers like RVN and Batistuta didnt win much is because the rest of there team wasnt good enough.

United play better without him, but you cant deny his class. he didnt play well last season but still scored 20 goals, not bad eh.

L r d wrote:

Agooner wrote:I am judging him as a striker ie his ability to put the ball in the back of the net, rvn > crespo.

btw crespo also contributes almost nothing in general play

Crespo i dont know if he is better than rvn. But he for a sub half the time he did very well for chelsea, and his previous teams, and now going to win the league with his new team. also for his country good record, i dont see much difference between them.

rvn is better

Snowbispo wrote:I'm not talking about just in the box though.

outside the box, crespo has better movements but not in the box

Agooner wrote:

Snowbispo wrote:I'm not talking about just in the box though.

outside the box, crespo has better movements but not in the box

We'll agree to disagree. you're so very, very wrong

Crespo > RVN > Henry.

please don't bring henry into this . You know it RVN > crespo

Crespo is like Sheva, but the Ukranian is better at running with the ball, whilst Crespo is better in the air.

I think Crespo has been hampered by the fact that he hasn't been at the same team for 2 seasons in a row for a while now.

RVN's Address used to be:
P.O BOX 6 yards, Stretford End, Old Trafford, Manchester.

LRD has gone way over the top - you can't slate a player like that who scored 44 goals in one season.

Rez wrote:@LRD

Dont be blinded by hate, for about 2/3 seasons RVN was awesome, the goal agianst Arsenal, that goal against Fulham, Deportiva, goal against Germany,he scored against everyone. The CL is the true test of a player and he has a better goal to game ratio than anyone.

If you score and your defence conceeds goals, its not your fault you lose, your dong your job. Everyone seems to be too eager to praise all round players who work hard for the team, assist team mates and score goals. I can only think of Eto and maybe Henry who do this well, the rest cant finish properly. The reason why prolific strikers like RVN and Batistuta didnt win much is because the rest of there team wasnt good enough.

United play better without him, but you cant deny his class. he didnt play well last season but still scored 20 goals, not bad eh.

Not good either. I can blame him for that, because he often lost the ball, often made us defend deeper, due to the defenders pushing up with his lack of pace. Football is not that simple you score goals you are a great player.
Do we want to be newcastle? Glorify a striker and celebrate him getting top scorer as we win fuck all?
I don't really care who scores, or how many if we play shit and win nothing. The only comp we won last year, was one in which he rarely played in. I mean all these things are not a coincedence. Our team was good enough, as proved when he was dropped. Rvn is not the worst striker in the world, but he is the most overated. as for the cl record? 4 goals against a team i have never heard of is not the true test of a player for me at all.
Knockout stages his record is very poor

Obispo is OBSESSED with Henry, can't leave the guy out of any arguement

Frenchcocksucker

TeamTurtleDoves wrote:Crespo is like Sheva, but the Ukranian is better at running with the ball, whilst Crespo is better in the air.

I think Crespo has been hampered by the fact that he hasn't been at the same team for 2 seasons in a row for a while now.

RVN's Address used to be:
P.O BOX 6 yards, Stretford End, Old Trafford, Manchester.


LRD has gone way over the top - you can't slate a player like that who scored 44 goals in one season.

Going back to the main subject of this thread, how come I don't hear any Chelsea fans (or other English fans for that matter) saying anything about how the Chelsea players surrounded the ref and argued with him over so many decisions?

It's only cheating when Barcelona do it, isn't it?

Nah, it was despicable.

gilberto said something in the press about it

Tinseldum wrote:Nah, it was despicable.

gilberto said something in the press about it

to Gilberto

@TTD

You would have swapped the whole spurs team for that 6 yard box player. Goals win games, when the ball goes flying accross the box and your centre forward is on the edge of the box, you wish you had that player. Everyone makes out that its easy to score the closer you are to goal, if it was so easy everyone would score goals and infact its harder as there are more players going for the same ball.

Crespo is class, although I would rather have Henry, who incidently also gets a raw deal on this board.

LRD Ruud is class, is it also no coincidence that, Keane loses his legs, Scholes plays crap and then loses his sight, Giggs plays crap and Ronaldo doesnt cross the ball and plays for himself, fletcher, OShea and Richardson start playing and United start losing playing crap and dont win anything. Not one player is ever to blame for a team playing crap, nor is one player the reason a team plays well.