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    Had Del Piero not been injured in 1998 would he have been better than:

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    Post by Forza It Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:35 pm

    The question may seem unusual but it is worth asking. I'll give an introduction to those unacquainted with Pinturicchio.

    Alessandro Del Piero has always been an inscrutable figure of Italian football. In 1998, many hailed him as the next successor to Baggio but Del Piero, obviously struggling with injury, failed to deliver and Christian Vieri stole the limelight during the World Cup.

    Then Del Piero injured himself against Udinese. Critics and fans alike say that he never recovered from that injury, even if some apologists point to his newly-discovered physical approach to the game. That scarcely rises to the level of his earlier genius, in my opinion.

    The nadir of his career, arguably, was when he missed two sitters in the Euro2000 Final. Those missed chances proved fatal, as Italy fell to a French team they had largely dominated.

    A few months after that loss, his father passed away in February 2001.

    In the 2002 World Cup, Del Piero scored a timely equalizer against Mexico but Italy would have progressed anyway since Ecuador stunned Croatia 1-0. Against South Korea, Trapattoni, intent on giving incompetence a bad name, took him off when Italy were leading 1-0. I don't need to recount any further.

    There was then the 2003 loss to Milan in the Champions League Final. True, Del Piero was not exactly poor in that game but he barely made an impression.

    Del Piero's redemption at international level came this past World Cup; no one was more overjoyed than I when he scored the second goal against Germany and no one was more relieved than I when he converted the penultimate penalty.

    But even that wasn't emphatic redemption. Grosso had effectively killed off the Germans and the same player stepped up to take the most decisive penalty (even though I think De Rossi's was equally crucial).

    Moreover, Italy's triumph this past summer was not built on a virtuoso attacker. The back-line stole the plaudits and Pirlo was the only player further up the park that deserved commensurate acclaim.

    So, now that Del Piero is playing in Serie B, trying to help his Juventus bounce back, what are your opinions of the player -- either currently or of his entire career? Aside from the reductive poll poser, what do you think of Del Piero?

    I know there are some on here who love him (waft springs to mind); in my opinion they have undeniable discernment. There are still others who have maybe never forgiven him for Euro2000 or maybe some who are just ambivalent towards him. Even Del Piero's greatest admirers have been whimsical in his praise. The late Gianni Agnelli gave Del Piero the name Pinturicchio, in honour of the Renaissance painter. He then, rather trenchantly, likened Del Piero to Godot (a character from Samuel Beckett's play Waiting for Godot) as Del Piero struggled to find his old self after injury.

    I'm a big fan of all aspects of Del Piero -- from his understated, modest disposition to his more explosive side (plainly evident in the cathartic celebrations after the second goal against Germany). I have even forgiven him for Euro2000 as I now see that as a necessary event in Del Piero's bittersweet career.


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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:37 pm

    He'd have been better than totti but not Baggio - I assume this is what you expected to hear Wink

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    didn't see your third to last paragraph.

    Him and Raul have a lot of similarities in the way their careers have gone. they both started off amazingly but as the years have gone on they have faded.

    very few players can remain at the very top for their entire career. Delps has done a lot better than some but still its very annoying to see someone so blessed fall by the wayside
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    Post by Forza It Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:42 pm

    Tweedle wrote:He'd have been better than totti but not Baggio - I assume this is what you expected to hear Wink

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    didn't see your third to last paragraph.

    Him and Raul have a lot of similarities in the way their careers have gone. they both started off amazingly but as the years have gone on they have faded.

    very few players can remain at the very top for their entire career. Delps has done a lot better than some but still its very annoying to see someone so blessed fall by the wayside

    That's true. But although Raul was fantastic, Del Piero was really being hailed as the next best thing. There is also a tendency for observers to privilege creative players-- who can play as second strikers, playmakers or even out-and-out strikers --over orthodox strikers.

    I know Raul has played many positions in his career but he doesn't have that genius that Del Piero has, IMO.


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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:44 pm

    Del Piero>Zidane
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    Post by Luis Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:45 pm

    Messiah wrote:Del Piero>Zidane

    agreed
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:46 pm

    Messiah wrote:Del Piero>Zidane

    Disagreed.

    Zidan wasn't touted as the next best thing. He WAS the next best thing
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    Post by Luis Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:48 pm

    There's a new Zidane now anyway

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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:49 pm

    Luis wrote:There's a new Zidane now anyway

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    ok

    I love the guy
    though have to admit hes not going to be Zidane class
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:56 pm

    i loved him when he was younger because he had such great tec in that right food. he was great but he never showed the same level after his injurie. and i wont forget those missed chances against france because i wanted to beat them more then i wanted to beat them in wc final this year.
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    Post by Forza It Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:57 pm

    Messiah wrote:Del Piero>Zidane

    Ooooh...tough one. Zidane achieved more than Del Piero but it is debatable on who was better at his best.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:23 pm

    Messiah wrote:Del Piero>Zidane

    Laugh

    Zidane is criminally underrated here - fact.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:31 pm

    I remember watching Del Piero early on in his career and he was simply brilliant. Such a shame that he suffered that bad injury because he has so much talent. The second last goal (about 3 minutes 20 seconds in) from this compilation is one of my favourites. Absolutely fantastic technique

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    Post by Super Milanista! Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:36 pm

    Luis wrote:There's a new Zidane now anyway

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    Montolivo is the new Pirlo!
    Gourcuff is the new Zidane!
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:36 pm

    Super Milanista! wrote:
    Luis wrote:There's a new Zidane now anyway

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    Montolivo is the new Pirlo!
    Gourcuff is the new Zidane!

    I thought Gourcuff was the new kaka?
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    Post by Super Milanista! Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:38 pm

    Well can work either way, but he is rumoured in France to be the new Zidane! They have given him the name, Le Petit Zidane!
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    Post by Batman Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:51 pm

    it was because of Del Piero i brought the Juve top, a world class player before his injury.

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    If Del Piero had been fit then Man Utd might not have won the Champions League in 1999.
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    Post by Forza It Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:54 pm

    The most shocking part of this poll -- admittedly one I did not expect -- is that one person on here rates Del Piero and Totti higher than Baggio.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:07 pm

    Batman wrote:it was because of Del Piero i brought the Juve top, a world class player before his injury.

    Alex Del Piero Manchester United
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7MLzeh4Usg

    If Del Piero had been fit then Man Utd might not have won the Champions League in 1999.

    This is SO much better though Wink

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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:08 pm

    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:The most shocking part of this poll -- admittedly one I did not expect -- is that one person on here rates Del Piero and Totti higher than Baggio.

    I just realised that this may have been a mis-vote from me Sad
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    Post by DS Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:59 pm

    Del Piero is a LEGEND.
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    Post by Forza It Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:02 pm

    Tweedle wrote:
    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:The most shocking part of this poll -- admittedly one I did not expect -- is that one person on here rates Del Piero and Totti higher than Baggio.

    I just realised that this may have been a mis-vote from me Sad

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    Post by Formerly known as sheva7 Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:35 pm

    Until 98 - Del Piero > Zidane . DP was Juve most important player. When he got injured ZZ couldn't guide them to a major title. IMO only Ronaldo was better than DP between 96-98. I still rate ZZ very highly, he is the best player I've ever seen alongside Rivaldo and Romario.

    Don't you think that DP was better and more consistent than Totti? I think he was. I know that he wasn't very solid and effective between 98-01, but he was pure class until 98 and did an excellent job between 01-06.
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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:47 pm

    Zidane's name should never be mention in the same sentence as the legend that is Rivaldo unless their saying how much better Rivaldo was.
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    Post by Forza It Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:48 pm

    sheva7 wrote:Until 98 - Del Piero > Zidane . DP was Juve most important player. When he got injured ZZ couldn't guide them to a major title. IMO only Ronaldo was better than DP between 96-98. I still rate ZZ very highly, he is the best player I've ever seen alongside Rivaldo and Romario.

    Don't you think that DP was better and more consistent than Totti? I think he was. I know that he wasn't very solid and effective between 98-01, but he was pure class until 98 and did an excellent job between 01-06.

    I think Del Piero was better and more consistent than Totti. At Juventus, Del Piero has always been the man. Both Del Piero and Totti have failed to replicate their club form for country.

    To me:

    Baggio > Del Piero > Totti.

    Another interesting point is that people on here believe that Del Piero had potential to be better than both Totti and Baggio.
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    Post by waft the Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:10 pm

    Del Piero is the reason I fell in love with football, and the one reason I still maintain an interest. He is, far and away the most beautiful, spellbinding and glamorous footballer I've ever seen. No one else has the demeanor and subtlety he has, he will always be the best.
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    Post by Forza It Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:57 pm

    waft the hapless youth wrote:Del Piero is the reason I fell in love with football, and the one reason I still maintain an interest. He is, far and away the most beautiful, spellbinding and glamorous footballer I've ever seen. No one else has the demeanor and subtlety he has, he will always be the best.

    ok

    Though I didn't fall in love with football because of him, he is definitely one of my favourite footballers of all time.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:36 am

    Del Boy - yes he was better than Zidane pre 1998, of that there is no doubt. But so were Nedved & Veron - Zidane was a late bloomer. The injury did slow him down a tad but his recovery was remarkable. But injury or not, he'll never be as good as the pony-tailed one.

    Regarding him against Totti, it's hard for me to make a choice. Totti is like the Alan Shearer of Serie A, his goal record/ creation down the years has been very consistent, and opponents have targeted him in ways that Del Piero has never had to put up with.
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    Post by Kroos Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:53 am

    i would say he had both owned, and better than totti is not really hard

    the same to ronaldo, without injurys he would be the best the world had ever seen
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    Post by Kroos Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:55 am

    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
    Messiah wrote:Del Piero>Zidane

    Ooooh...tough one. Zidane achieved more than Del Piero but it is debatable on who was better at his best.


    no its not really debatable

    zidane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>del piero
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    Post by Forza It Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:55 am

    Deisler wrote:
    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:
    Messiah wrote:Del Piero>Zidane

    Ooooh...tough one. Zidane achieved more than Del Piero but it is debatable on who was better at his best.


    no its not really debatable

    zidane >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>del piero

    Well I do think it's debatable since that's exactly what some are doing.

    "Boumsong is head and shoulders above Cannavaro" is not debatable.

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