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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:27 pm

    EPL ONLY

    Aaron Lennon: 15 Starts (+2 subs) - 3 goals, 4 assists.

    James Milner: 22 Starts (+3 subs) - 3 goals, 3 assists.

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    Post by Tweesus Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:28 pm

    They're both great young EPL players.

    Lennon is a slightly bigger danger than Milner though, laegely down to his pace.

    Milner has more technical ability and delivers a better cross
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:31 pm

    Milner has 8 assists and 4 goals in all competitions, Lennon has 5 assists and 4 goals. ok
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:37 pm

    Stop copping out Kimbo - you're bullshit claims have been found out. Lennon's not even suffering from a 2nd year slump. Even in all competitions, Lennon is more productive PER GAME Ale
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:40 pm

    Why isn't he playing more games? Does he have fitness problems?

    Last season Milner got more goals and assists, and this season he's getting more goals and assists, that's fact. My claims that Milner has better technique, a better cross, and better shot haven't been proved wrong at all. Milner can beat a man without using pace, can Lennon??? I don't think i've ever seen him do it. Erm
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:48 pm

    He's been out injured for a length of time on 2 seperate occasions, hurt his knee. Any time he's been anywhere close to 100%, he's started. being the only winger at the club, he doesn't get "rested" like James did yesterday.

    Milner has a better shot & cross.

    Technique no, it's either about even, or Lennon's better IMO, and to suggest he's a knock & run player borders on the insane. his dribbling is of the Ryan giggs calibre, no lie.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:55 pm

    I didn't say Lennon is knock and run, i said he can't beat a man without pace. Which is true.

    And Milner was rested for the first time this season yesterday as he's been getting burnt out. He has picked up knocks this season but he's always played through it.

    The Zog is more talented than both of them though. ok
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:00 pm

    Both from the same Leeds academy.

    The Zog is Dog
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:14 pm

    Das Reale Weiss Pele wrote:Both from the same Leeds academy.

    The Zog is Dog
    Zog's the Dog alright. ok
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    Post by DS Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:05 pm

    Milner is more technical type of player so we will see him impacting matches more the more experiened he gets (if he does at all )
    Lennon on the other hand is the other type of player who is easily noticeable on a football field (great talent though).

    Different options on the wing for England which is good.
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    Post by robert Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:57 am

    Kimbo wrote:

    The Zog is more talented than both of them though. ok

    Now there's a true knock and run player. Affer all the hype I gave him here and on 606 very dissapointing he hasn't progressed!
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    Post by Kimbo Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:26 pm

    robert wrote:
    Kimbo wrote:

    The Zog is more talented than both of them though. ok

    Now there's a true knock and run player. Affer all the hype I gave him here and on 606 very dissapointing he hasn't progressed!
    Good god man, he's been injured, he did his bloody knee liagments. And he's not a knock and run player at all, although he's more of one than Lennon and Milner. But on the other hand his passing, crossing, and shooting is better than theirs. Also he has gallic cockiness, which helps him. ok
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:34 pm

    EPL ONLY

    Aaron Lennon: 19 Starts (+4 subs) - 3 goals, 7 assists.

    James Milner: 28 Starts (+4 subs) - 3 goals, 5 assists.

    Charles N'Zogbia: 10 Starts (+11 subs) - 0 goals, 2 assists.

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    Post by Tweesus Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:42 pm

    I have to admit, I still think Milner is the better footballer - Lennon can't cross for $h!t still. Milner is a brilliant crosser, he just doesn't have the agility or pace of Lennon.
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    Post by Batman Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:54 pm

    EPL ONLY

    Aaron Lennon: 19 Starts (+4 subs) - 3 goals, 7 assists.

    James Milner: 28 Starts (+4 subs) - 3 goals, 5 assists.

    Charles N'Zogbia: 10 Starts (+11 subs) - 0 goals, 2 assists.

    Cristiano Ronaldo: 30 Starts (+2 subs) - 16 goals, 14 assists.


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    Post by Kimbo Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:56 pm

    The Lennon hype will have died down by the end of next season i reckon, more and more people are starting to realise he's not all that.


    @ TS

    How can you expect the Zog to get lots of goals and assists when he only gets the odd 5 minute cameo, and when he does start he's usually played out of position? scratch

    In a good team and under a good manager Milner would be wiping the floor with Lennon on the stats front, i think you know that. <Ale>
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:57 pm

    Batman wrote:EPL ONLY


    Cristiano Ronaldo: 30 Starts (+2 subs) - 16 goals, 8 assists.


    I couldn't help myself. Very Happy

    According to this:

    http://home.skysports.com/optastats.aspx?clid=1&hlid=OPTA_Manchester_United&cpid=8

    Which is where I got the stats for the other 3 players.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:58 pm

    But Kimmy - Tottenham aren't a good side either. Send Lennon to Arsenal, and he'll be guaranteed to get a 20/20 season Wink

    EDIT: I could use that exact same argument for Wayne Routledge <Ale>
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:00 pm

    TeamSpirit™️ wrote:But Kimmy - Tottenham aren't a good side either. Send Lennon to Arsenal, and he'll be guaranteed to get a 20/20 season Wink

    Man for man you're not much, if any, better. But you have good coaching, that's why you currently have a better team. ok I've never said Tottenham were a bad side, all i've said is that they're nowhere near top 4 material like everyone was making out. I've been proved right aswell. <Ale>
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:02 pm

    @ TS

    Your source is flawed by the looks of things
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:05 pm

    Tweedle wrote:@ TS

    Your source is flawed by the looks of things
    Sky Sports. Coffee

    EDIT: Yahoo gives exactly the same stats as well.
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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:12 pm

    Tweedle wrote:I have to admit, I still think Milner is the better footballer - Lennon can't cross for $h!t still. Milner is a brilliant crosser, he just doesn't have the agility or pace of Lennon.

    SWP and Downing are better at crossing than both of them, yet I'd still take Lennon and Milner over those two.

    I have to admit, Lennon hasnt been all that in the last couple of months- he lloks jaded but at 19 he should probably not be playing a full season, especially the number of games Spurs have played having made the later stages of 3 cup competitions
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:13 pm

    fair play, though the Utd fans have been insistent all season about the ronny stats.

    How many assists has Cesc got according to that?
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    Post by Batman Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:18 pm

    I got my stats from:

    http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.rac?command=forwardOnly&nextPage=actimStatistics

    Fabregas has 13 assists.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:18 pm

    Tweedle wrote:fair play, though the Utd fans have been insistent all season about the ronny stats.

    How many assists has Cesc got according to that?
    Cesc has 10 assists, Rooney does too Ale

    I agree with the Real White Pele on Lennon, though Milner >>>> SWP when it comes to crossing. BigLips is the best shooter of the lot though - Here's a piece I wrote for Spurs Forum:

    TeamSpirit™️,Apr 23 2007, 02:22 PM wrote: First, let me start off by saying that we can all agree that he's potentially a GREAT player. Wonderful close control at speed - can now see a pass, and when confident, can deliver great crosses with either foot (if not consistently). His Shooting needs to be worked on, but there's no denying that the boy is an absolute wonderful talent.

    Which brings me to my next point - he's still 20, and we can't expect him, at his age to produce performances of a consistent high quality week in, week out. That he's been left to shoulder the burden as the only out and out winger in the squad, at this stage in his career is almost inept. I've read people saying that he's been $h!te for the last month - that's because he's still YOUNG and raw and far from the finished article. I don't think that he's got anything left in his tank to give us this season, & that's due to having to play twice a week plus those Intl. callups. I'm looking at other wingers around the league, and they've all got a breather for at least 2-3 weeks at some stage this season, because there's decent relpacements.

    Is Routledge not good enough back-up? If Jol doesn't think so (I disagree) at least get another player in who can shoulder the workload. It's the one real blackspot against MJ this season - and whilst I still feel he's a very good coach... it's been a horrible misjudgement to expect Lennon to fill that void on his own this season.

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    Post by Tweesus Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:23 pm

    Seriouslt TS, the stats on sky sports are wrong - you need to get them off batman's link.

    Cesc has been on 10 assists on sky for about 5 months now!
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:23 pm

    Batman wrote:I got my stats from:

    http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.rac?command=forwardOnly&nextPage=actimStatistics

    Fabregas has 13 assists.

    It appeares they must count secondary assists over at Actim.

    Lennon has 8 according to Actim - Milner has 7.

    Doesn't change the fact that "No-End Product Lennon" has been more productive per game in the league than Milner. <Ale>
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:28 pm

    TeamSpirit™️ wrote:
    Batman wrote:I got my stats from:

    http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.rac?command=forwardOnly&nextPage=actimStatistics

    Fabregas has 13 assists.

    It appeares they must count secondary assists over at Actim.

    Lennon has 8 according to Actim - Milner has 7.

    Doesn't change the fact that "No-End Product Lennon" has been more productive per game in the league than Milner. <Ale>

    Honestly, what would the stats be like if Milner had been playing under Jol and Lennon had been playing under Roeder? Question
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:31 pm

    Kimbo wrote:

    Honestly, what would the stats be like if Milner had been playing under Jol and Lennon had been playing under Roeder? Question

    Depends if Jol decided to Sell-off (or at least Loan out) N'Zogbia, Duff, Solano and every other natural wideman you have, Leaving Milner to carry the workload by himself as the only outlet.

    Would Milner be able to cope with such pressure?
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:35 pm

    TeamSpirit™️ wrote:
    Kimbo wrote:

    Honestly, what would the stats be like if Milner had been playing under Jol and Lennon had been playing under Roeder? Question

    Depends if Jol decided to Sell-off (or at least Loan out) N'Zogbia, Duff, Solano and every other natural wideman you have, Leaving Milner to carry the workload by himself as the only outlet.

    Would Milner be able to cope with such pressure?

    Rolling Eyes Like Malbranque, Berbatov, and Keane aren't creative enough for you. Try Butt and Parker in midfield with Sibierski as your link man. Anyway Solano has been at right back, the Zog has barely played, and Duff is just $h!t.

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