Is Lennon REALLY just a pace merchant with no end product?

Sorry, but there is no better time to bring this debate to head as its one that I've noticed on these boards.

I've seen Lennon ever since the days he came through at Leeds at 16, he grew up in Chapeltown which is down the road from where I live, so I have my own opinion,

but whats the general consensus on here?

Not whether Lennon is World Class, or overrated, or anything like that.

Simply, as footballers go, I just want to know what people think when they watch him play- is he really all just pace or is there more to his game? Who is he comparable to?

2nd best winger in the premiership, is going to be one of the best wingers in the world thats right

No. Obviously not. Don't be silly.

It takes a special kind of tunnel-vision to say that Charles "assist to the opposition" N'Zogwho is better than him.

Lennon is unfortunately turning out to be a good player. Ribery is better than him though.

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Ribery is better than him though.

Isn't he 4 years older and yet to match the statistics laid down by the mighty Bruno Cheyrou in the french league?

Hype.

N zogbia>>>> lennon

kimbo kimbo where art thou ???


he's a mini messi

He has much more than pace, he has shown some wonderful technique over the last 6 months. For example when he nutmegged Cole by the byline and then beat Carvalho then whipped a quality cross in. He can only develop even further, from what I have seen.

The only problem will be his goal output. He has only scored three league goals in his career that will have to improve. I canit see him turning into a 8-15 goal a season winger like Giggs or Pires but he can still contribute lots to a team.

Obispo wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Ribery is better than him though.

Isn't he 4 years older and yet to match the statistics laid down by the mighty Bruno Cheyrou in the french league?

Hype.

In what? Goals? We're talking about someone who finished second in the assist league with Metz despite leaving halfway through the season.

Admittedly he is four years older. But French players are often late developpers, unlike the English who crash and burn at twenty five.

Jesus Navas > Lennon

Really a obvious answer really....Whether he becomes World Class or just a really good player, is the question.....Attributes are there though....

Did u see that cross after nutmegging cashley? he delivers something like that in every match he plays in.

The things about this board, any player with extreme pace is called a pace merchant, no matter what other qualities he has. A player with decent technique, vision, good movements,decent skills and good finishing ability is generally regarded here as a good player, but add electric pace to those qualities, he is called nothing but a pace merchant. True story!

Agooner wrote:Did u see that cross after nutmegging cashley? he delivers something like that in every match he plays in.

The things about this board, any player with extreme pace is called a pace merchant, no matter what other qualities he has. A player with decent technique, vision, good movements,decent skills and good finishing ability is generally regarded here as a good player, but add electric pace to those qualities, he is called nothing but a pace merchant. True story!

Very true. I remember a certain player who couldnt cross and had no end product he is now considered the best winger by a mile in the league, people just dont learn

COTR wrote:N zogbia>>>> lennon

kimbo kimbo where art thou ???


he's a mini messi

but doesn't have the awareness and finishing ability of messi yet

Lennon is great, a player I love to watch

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

Obispo wrote:

theflyingfrenchman wrote:Ribery is better than him though.

Isn't he 4 years older and yet to match the statistics laid down by the mighty Bruno Cheyrou in the french league?

Hype.

In what? Goals? We're talking about someone who finished second in the assist league with Metz despite leaving halfway through the season.

Admittedly he is four years older. But French players are often late developpers, unlike the English who crash and burn at twenty five.

true though. Ribery is quality, absolutley no doubt about that. enjoy watching the guy play.

Looks like a £20m January raid for Mr A.Lennon might be in order

S4P wrote:Looks like a £20m January raid for Mr A.Lennon might be in order

So he can be wasted on the bench like SWP (who crashed and burned).

theflyingfrenchman wrote:

S4P wrote:Looks like a £20m January raid for Mr A.Lennon might be in order

So he can be wasted on the bench like SWP (who crashed and burned).

Lennon >>> SWP

I believe Lennon could go the same way as Joe Cole, in the fact he develops even further by going to Chelsea and becomes a stronger player with even better end product.

The best manager for Lennon would be SAF without a doubt he is head and shoulders above any other manager in the league that can bring fantastically talented youngster through to develop their full potential. I mean hes even made a player out of Fletcher this season !

Chelsea would be a mistake for Lennon, he needs games and Chelsea would not gurantee that, whereas SAF understands young players need games to be nutured.

Football Genius wrote:The best manager for Lennon would be SAF without a doubt he is head and shoulders above any other manager in the league that can bring fantastically talented youngster through to develop their full potential. I mean hes even made a player out of Fletcher this season !

Chelsea would be a mistake for Lennon, he needs games and Chelsea would not gurantee that, whereas SAF understands young players need games to be nutured.

10 mill plus ricardson what you say spurs you got that world class routledge and all

l r d wrote:

Football Genius wrote:The best manager for Lennon would be SAF without a doubt he is head and shoulders above any other manager in the league that can bring fantastically talented youngster through to develop their full potential. I mean hes even made a player out of Fletcher this season !

Chelsea would be a mistake for Lennon, he needs games and Chelsea would not gurantee that, whereas SAF understands young players need games to be nutured.

10 mill plus ricardson what you say spurs you got that world class routledge and all

Straight Swap with Ronaldo AND we throw in Davenport.... deal?

Football Genius wrote:The best manager for Lennon would be SAF without a doubt he is head and shoulders above any other manager in the league that can bring fantastically talented youngster through to develop their full potential. I mean hes even made a player out of Fletcher this season !

Chelsea would be a mistake for Lennon, he needs games and Chelsea would not gurantee that, whereas SAF understands young players need games to be nutured.

er... wenger?

Agooner wrote:

Football Genius wrote:The best manager for Lennon would be SAF without a doubt he is head and shoulders above any other manager in the league that can bring fantastically talented youngster through to develop their full potential. I mean hes even made a player out of Fletcher this season !

Chelsea would be a mistake for Lennon, he needs games and Chelsea would not gurantee that, whereas SAF understands young players need games to be nutured.

er... wenger?

Develop and groom are two seperate things.

SAF had one good crop 15 years ago Agooner. People still refer to that.

I still think that was more due to the youth scheme rather than Fergie (Becks and co joined United at about 10 years old, just before Fergie took over) so whether or not you put the credit down to the youth scheme or Fergie is down to opinion.

He still got the best out of them, but imo, West Ham Youth > Man Utd Youth and Wenger > Fergie with young talents.

S4P wrote:SAF had one good crop 15 years ago Agooner. People still refer to that.

I still think that was more due to the youth scheme rather than Fergie (Becks and co joined United at about 10 years old, just before Fergie took over) so whether or not you put the credit down to the youth scheme or Fergie is down to opinion.

He still got the best out of them, but imo, West Ham Youth > Man Utd Youth and Wenger > Fergie with young talents.

plus buying two of the worlds best young talents for about 40 million and 'nurturing them' is hardly overly impressive

Lennon is getting better that is obvious. I hope he can keep growing at this rate England will have a class winger again...I like to see Jol giving him some time on the left I'm sure it was to test Ferreira. Giving Lennon the chance and experiance playing both sides is a good idea wingers have a habbit of fading out of a game this way he can at least be busy disturbing the keeping the back line on edge with his speed.

@LSR,

Tell me about this Jesus Navas: I've heard about him but yet to see him play? Is he the real deal you think?

We have a better youth system than United.

Mcmanaman, Redknapp*, Fowler, Carragher, Owen, Gerrard > Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Beckham.

True story.


*Can't remember if he was bought from Bourmouth or not

COTR wrote:

S4P wrote:SAF had one good crop 15 years ago Agooner. People still refer to that.

I still think that was more due to the youth scheme rather than Fergie (Becks and co joined United at about 10 years old, just before Fergie took over) so whether or not you put the credit down to the youth scheme or Fergie is down to opinion.

He still got the best out of them, but imo, West Ham Youth > Man Utd Youth and Wenger > Fergie with young talents.

plus buying two of the worlds best young talents for about 40 million and 'nurturing them' is hardly overly impressive

how did you know cotr would reply to an anti fergue comment.

look at ronaldo reyes
brought more talent through than anybody. wenger steals other peoples talented kids

Brian3-5-2 wrote:Lennon is getting better that is obvious. I hope he can keep growing at this rate England will have a class winger again...I like to see Jol giving him some time on the left I'm sure it was to test Ferreira. Giving the Lennon the chance and experiance playing both sides is a good idea wingers have a habbit of fading out of a game this way he can at least be busy disturbing the keeping the back line on edge with his speed.

for england's sake it was good to see mc'claren and venables in the crowd with lennon and king performing so well... Also another plus point was mc claren getting to catch a few of lampard's attempted passes and shots