Inter plan Fabregas raid

Your virtual arse must be red-raw Tweeds. That was vicious!

Obispo wrote:Your virtual arse must be red-raw Tweeds. That was vicious!

I doubt its anywhere near as vicious as the punishment you give your pet sheep when it comes in with a dirt bum

bluenine wrote:No, we will still play Cambiasso and Vieira, they are good together.

But Inter want to avoid a situation like against Valencia this season when Cambiasso, Vieira, and Dacourt were injured, and we didn't have any replacement. Cesc is young, and he will be a good back-up and future starter if he learns by watching masters like Cambiasso in action

Parks lives wrote:Btw, Bluenine who would you play in midfield?

Cambiasso and Fabregas.

You think Fabregas will agree to play second fiddle & be on the bench till he gets an opportunity like that

Yeah, realistically it does not make sense. Just a rumour, most good players are linked with Inter every season, its something we interisti are used to...

IMO, if we have to play £20 M for a CM, we might as well go for De Rossi! More of a finished product, and it will make Roma weaker

Tweedle wrote:

You mean, you don't like EPL anymore?? I am glad you finally see what we all found so boring about the EPL over the last 15 years... just two teams, whats the point??

The EPL is getting a bit tedious - in fact football as a whole is really but this is more Kimbo's area of expertise

Thats not entirely true... it was true till 4-5 years ago, but nowadays the bottom EPL clubs can attract decent players... like their counterparts in La Liga and Serie A... You are so modest, as usual, Tweedy

I know you are , but what am I

Face it, he's not going to join you. If the rumour was linking him to barca, I'd be worried but its not, and its clearly typical made up poppycock.

You'd be far better off making a move for Xabi Alonso - he's approaching his prime and would eb available for a lot less

bluenine wrote:No, we will still play Cambiasso and Vieira, they are good together.

But Inter want to avoid a situation like against Valencia this season when Cambiasso, Vieira, and Dacourt were injured, and we didn't have any replacement. Cesc is young, and he will be a good back-up and future starter if he learns by watching masters like Cambiasso in action

Parks lives wrote:Btw, Bluenine who would you play in midfield?

Cambiasso and Fabregas.

Vieira is all washed up Bluey.

I don't rate Fabregas as highly as some but I'd take him over Vieira right now.

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:No, we will still play Cambiasso and Vieira, they are good together.

But Inter want to avoid a situation like against Valencia this season when Cambiasso, Vieira, and Dacourt were injured, and we didn't have any replacement. Cesc is young, and he will be a good back-up and future starter if he learns by watching masters like Cambiasso in action

Parks lives wrote:Btw, Bluenine who would you play in midfield?

Cambiasso and Fabregas.

You think Fabregas will agree to play second fiddle & be on the bench till he gets an opportunity like that

Cesc is a miles better footballer than Vieira - towards the end of Vieira's career he was being picked ahead of him and that was when Cesc was just 18.

He also taught him a footballing lesson back in April 2006

bluenine wrote:Yeah, realistically it does not make sense. Just a rumour, most good players are linked with Inter every season, its something we interisti are used to...

IMO, if we have to play £20 M for a CM, we might as well go for De Rossi! More of a finished product, and it will make Roma weaker

Tweedle wrote:

You mean, you don't like EPL anymore?? I am glad you finally see what we all found so boring about the EPL over the last 15 years... just two teams, whats the point??

The EPL is getting a bit tedious - in fact football as a whole is really but this is more Kimbo's area of expertise

Thats not entirely true... it was true till 4-5 years ago, but nowadays the bottom EPL clubs can attract decent players... like their counterparts in La Liga and Serie A... You are so modest, as usual, Tweedy

I know you are , but what am I

Face it, he's not going to join you. If the rumour was linking him to barca, I'd be worried but its not, and its clearly typical made up poppycock.

You'd be far better off making a move for Xabi Alonso - he's approaching his prime and would eb available for a lot less

Its almost as though the papers are picking every young decent player under the age of 24 and linking them with you.

Next it'll be Rooney, or maybe the papers don't consider him good enough for Inter

Actually, I agree with you - I would prefer Cesc over Vieira too. We finally agree on something

But what I am trying to say is that I suspect (actually I'm pretty certain) at the mo:

Cambiasso+Vieira >> Cambiasso+Cesc

Iits just that Vieira adds that extra steel which is needed to protect Cambiasso and his midfield play... they are a better match than what I had first imagined, and it is only now that we are playing without them that we realise how good they were together. Inter have an invincible look when playing both of them together.

Infact, Cambiasso+Vieira >>>>> Emerson+Vieira (of Juventus, who were considered the best midfield pairing those days)... Cambiasso+Vieira are much better than them.

Tweedle wrote:

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:No, we will still play Cambiasso and Vieira, they are good together.

But Inter want to avoid a situation like against Valencia this season when Cambiasso, Vieira, and Dacourt were injured, and we didn't have any replacement. Cesc is young, and he will be a good back-up and future starter if he learns by watching masters like Cambiasso in action

Parks lives wrote:Btw, Bluenine who would you play in midfield?

Cambiasso and Fabregas.

You think Fabregas will agree to play second fiddle & be on the bench till he gets an opportunity like that

Cesc is a miles better footballer than Vieira - towards the end of Vieira's career he was being picked ahead of him and that was when Cesc was just 18.

He also taught him a footballing lesson back in April 2006

bluenine wrote:Yeah, realistically it does not make sense. Just a rumour, most good players are linked with Inter every season, its something we interisti are used to...

IMO, if we have to play £20 M for a CM, we might as well go for De Rossi! More of a finished product, and it will make Roma weaker

Italian fans in general are used to making up rumours, it's not only the interisti

Who was the last big overseas purchase into the Italian league? Was it years ago when Lazio did it before going bankrupt? Was it Juve with Nedved? What are their big purchases this century from outside of Serie A?

The biggest overseas players in Serie A, like shevchenko, zidane etc were bought on the relative cheap (kaka is another). Other than that they just trade and swap players with each other. Like you are saying with de rossi.

I don't remember for a long time that they have gone out and spent big money on a big name player, so please refresh my memory (mayeb the great ronaldo when he first went to Inter )

I can't ever remember an Italian club buying a player for a lot of money from the EPL - Paul Ince was maybe the biggest.

We all know the crazy internal transfers had something to do with the money swnilding and corruption of course

Tweedle wrote:

You mean, you don't like EPL anymore?? I am glad you finally see what we all found so boring about the EPL over the last 15 years... just two teams, whats the point??

The EPL is getting a bit tedious - in fact football as a whole is really but this is more Kimbo's area of expertise

Thats not entirely true... it was true till 4-5 years ago, but nowadays the bottom EPL clubs can attract decent players... like their counterparts in La Liga and Serie A... You are so modest, as usual, Tweedy

I know you are , but what am I

Face it, he's not going to join you. If the rumour was linking him to barca, I'd be worried but its not, and its clearly typical made up poppycock.

You'd be far better off making a move for Xabi Alonso - he's approaching his prime and would eb available for a lot less

If Deco was leaving I would expect us to make a play for either Alonso or Cesc.. but that is not happening in the near future.

What I meant was that we Interisti are used to OTHERS making rumours about Inter... players/agents who want to renegotiate contracts, they make up such rumours, and Inter are a good target coz money is never an issue for Moratti when he wants someone - Inter broke the world transfer fee record twice in the last 10 years.

You take chelsea out and Italian clubs have bought more big name players from outside than EPL even in the last two years, forget the last 10 years. Last coupla years, Juve bought Ibra & Vieira, Milan bought Ronaldo & Gourceff, & Inter bought Samuel, Figo, & Maicon from outside, just to name a few...

110% wrote:

bluenine wrote:Yeah, realistically it does not make sense. Just a rumour, most good players are linked with Inter every season, its something we interisti are used to...

IMO, if we have to play £20 M for a CM, we might as well go for De Rossi! More of a finished product, and it will make Roma weaker

Italian fans in general are used to making up rumours, it's not only the interisti

Who was the last big overseas purchase into the Italian league? Was it years ago when Lazio did it before going bankrupt? Was it Juve with Nedved? What are their big purchases this century from outside of Serie A?

The biggest overseas players in Serie A, like shevchenko, zidane etc were bought on the relative cheap (kaka is another). Other than that they just trade and swap players with each other. Like you are saying with de rossi.

I don't remember for a long time that they have gone out and spent big money on a big name player, so please refresh my memory (mayeb the great ronaldo when he first went to Inter )

Doesn't really compare to Real Madrid buying Cicinho, Ruud Van Nistlerooy, Robinho, Higuain, Gago, Diarra, Emerson and Cannavaro and Getting Reyes on loan though, does it

bluenine wrote:
You take chelsea out and Italian clubs have bought more big name players from outside than EPL even in the last two years, forget the last 10 years. Last coupla years, Juve bought Ibra & Vieira, Milan bought Ronaldo & Gourceff, & Inter bought Samuel, Figo, & Maicon from outside, just to name a few...

110% wrote:

bluenine wrote:Yeah, realistically it does not make sense. Just a rumour, most good players are linked with Inter every season, its something we interisti are used to...

IMO, if we have to play £20 M for a CM, we might as well go for De Rossi! More of a finished product, and it will make Roma weaker

Italian fans in general are used to making up rumours, it's not only the interisti

Who was the last big overseas purchase into the Italian league? Was it years ago when Lazio did it before going bankrupt? Was it Juve with Nedved? What are their big purchases this century from outside of Serie A?

The biggest overseas players in Serie A, like shevchenko, zidane etc were bought on the relative cheap (kaka is another). Other than that they just trade and swap players with each other. Like you are saying with de rossi.

I don't remember for a long time that they have gone out and spent big money on a big name player, so please refresh my memory (mayeb the great ronaldo when he first went to Inter )

Ibra I give you but:

Vieira , Ronaldo, Gourceff, Samuel, Figo , & Maicon

Some past their prime and some potential, adn how much did they cost? We were talking about big names and big money signings. You just proved my point.

Real, barcelona, chelsea, manu being the 2 biggest teams in their leagues have made big signings from abroad. Who would you consider the 2 biggest in Italy: Juve and Milan? tell me their big money signings. You can even add Inter in there .

well, money isn't everything in football....when you look the anual budgets of an EPL club like let's say Newcastle...you realize that the words "how the fuck can such an average club spend so much money?" isn't enough...

I can't ever remember an Italian club buying a player for a lot of money from the EPL - Paul Ince was maybe the biggest.

We all know the crazy internal transfers had something to do with the money swnilding and corruption of course

Now that inter will win the Serie seems like their being linked with every player in the world

@bluey

La primera, directísima. El presidente del Inter está encaprichado con usted. ¿Peligra la continuidad de Messi en el Barça?

Que esté tranquila la afición. Yo le estoy eternamente agradecido al Barça y quiero seguir aquí muchos años. No olvido que este club me fichó cuando tenía 13 años y que se han entregado al máximo conmigo y con mi familia. De hecho se lo debo todo al Barça.

Oleguerisntthatgreat wrote:@bluey

La primera, directísima. El presidente del Inter está encaprichado con usted. ¿Peligra la continuidad de Messi en el Barça?

Que esté tranquila la afición. Yo le estoy eternamente agradecido al Barça y quiero seguir aquí muchos años. No olvido que este club me fichó cuando tenía 13 años y que se han entregado al máximo conmigo y con mi familia. De hecho se lo debo todo al Barça.

to use such a word when speaking about a human being is impertinent. Last game against Madrid while watching Messi kiss the Barça's badge on his jersey can you seriously tell me that it didn't remind you to some lusitan(?) badge kissing?

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Oleguerisntthatgreat wrote:@bluey

La primera, directísima. El presidente del Inter está encaprichado con usted. ¿Peligra la continuidad de Messi en el Barça?

Que esté tranquila la afición. Yo le estoy eternamente agradecido al Barça y quiero seguir aquí muchos años. No olvido que este club me fichó cuando tenía 13 años y que se han entregado al máximo conmigo y con mi familia. De hecho se lo debo todo al Barça.

to use such a word when speaking about a human being is impertinent. Last game against Madrid while watching Messi kiss the Barça's badge on his jersey can you seriously tell me that it didn't remind you to some lusitan(?) badge kissing?

He would never do that!!!

Sure, Lets compare Inter and ManU.... what timeframe?? 2 years, 5 years or 10 years?? either way, you will lose man.

Stupid point, coz in the last 10 years Inter have spent more money than any club in the world in player transfers (estimated to be in excess of EUR 400 Million).

But I do take your point that the big clubs in Italy rather buy a star from Serie A than from abroad. Thats coz a big player from a different league is not a sure shot success, Serie A is a very different league. I think its makes sense to buy a big player proven in your league than from abroad.

110% wrote:Ibra I give you but:

Vieira , Ronaldo, Gourceff, Samuel, Figo , & Maicon

Some past their prime and some potential, adn how much did they cost? We were talking about big names and big money signings. You just proved my point.

Real, barcelona, chelsea, manu being the 2 biggest teams in their leagues have made big signings from abroad. Who would you consider the 2 biggest in Italy: Juve and Milan? tell me their big money signings. You can even add Inter in there .

I wouldn't mind that comparison Inter-manu but you're changing the argument. We were talking about big name and big money signings from abroad. Ibra came from juve as did vieira, and are they really that big as names?

Manu at least in the past few years have paid big for veron and rvn. And they must have paid a fair amount for heinze, evra, cronaldo, to name a few.

And this is comparing a team that hasn't changed many players over the years (manu), to a team that changes players every season out of habit (Inter). A much fairer comparison is Inter-Chelsea, and Manu-Milan, then you really see that Italian teams don't spend big abroad, so players like cesc, gerrard, dinho etc are totally safe.

bluenine wrote:Sure, Lets compare Inter and ManU.... what timeframe?? 2 years, 5 years or 10 years?? either way, you will lose man.

Stupid point, coz in the last 10 years Inter have spent more money than any club in the world in player transfers (estimated to be in excess of EUR 400 Million).

But I do take your point that the big clubs in Italy rather buy a star from Serie A than from abroad. Thats coz a big player from a different league is not a sure shot success, Serie A is a very different league. I think its makes sense to buy a big player proven in your league than from abroad.

110% wrote:Ibra I give you but:

Vieira , Ronaldo, Gourceff, Samuel, Figo , & Maicon

Some past their prime and some potential, adn how much did they cost? We were talking about big names and big money signings. You just proved my point.

Real, barcelona, chelsea, manu being the 2 biggest teams in their leagues have made big signings from abroad. Who would you consider the 2 biggest in Italy: Juve and Milan? tell me their big money signings. You can even add Inter in there .

Bluenine... a few points

Inter might have spent quite a lot of dough in the past but since 2001 they have been somewhat controlled. Gone are the days of record breaking signings every two years. If you remove the two calciopoli induced signings this season... you lot havent really spent much compared to ManU or Real Madrids of the world this century. Post Vieiri/Crespo have you made really mega signings? I dont think so

Second point was pertaining to top notch EPL players moving to Italy. Ibrahimovic moved from Dutch league... which was in a way expected. Apart from a declining Vieira I dont remember any top EPL player joining a Serie-A team in recent past.

So Fabregas joining Inter... I dont think it will happen unless Moratti decides to come up with some crazy bid (Something in lines of paying next three annual installments for Emirates ) But even he is also not THAT BIG a fool.

I am not chnaging the arguement, I conceeded on the abroad bit... top Italian clubs prefer to buy someone who has made it big in Serie A rathre than La Liga and EPL... and IMO thats a good strategy. Let teh smaller clubs buy upcoming players from abroad, and buy them if they make it big giving the smaller club a lot of funds to buy more players from abroad... its a win-win for everyone.

Dude, you cannot have it both ways... Inter USED to change a lot of players by habit before, and at that time Inter used to buy top players from home AND abroad. Now Inter do NOT change players by habbit, and the spending is far more controlled (and better managed). So the last 5 seasons the comparison of Inter and ManU will be fair.

In the last 5 years, Inter have bought: Adriano, Crespo, Stankovic, Grosso, Samuel, Cambiasso, Ibrahimovic, Vieira, Davids, Veron, Kily, Batistuta, Pizzaro, Mutu, Pandev, and Emre around this period.

110% wrote:I wouldn't mind that comparison Inter-manu but you're changing the argument. We were talking about big name and big money signings from abroad. Ibra came from juve as did vieira, and are they really that big as names?

Manu at least in the past few years have paid big for veron and rvn. And they must have paid a fair amount for heinze, evra, cronaldo, to name a few.

And this is comparing a team that hasn't changed many players over the years (manu), to a team that changes players every season out of habit (Inter). A much fairer comparison is Inter-Chelsea, and Manu-Milan, then you really see that Italian teams don't spend big abroad, so players like cesc, gerrard, dinho etc are totally safe.

bluenine wrote:You used "Arsenal" and "competitive" in the same sentence

What are we talking about, carling cup?

Tweedle wrote:Aye - but the article is just complete tripe - he's said very recently that he loves the club and that he wants to stay there for the forseeable future, HOWEVER he did concede that later in this life he would like to move back to SPAIN.

Do you see the phrases 'eave in the summer' or 'to Italy' mentioned anywhere in that?

I've gone over this with you before bluenine. For some players its not all about winning trophies in second rate leagues. Cesc is a model professional and I'm sure he'd rather have a competitive challenge at Arsenal than walk to yet another title with inter....

bluenine wrote:Can a small english club with no silverware hopes hold on to a good talent for 8 years?? I doubt it... I am sure players like Cesc would like to win something in their life, don't ya think? On top of it, he is spanish, so international trophies are already ruled out

Tweedle wrote:Oh and whats your source for this article Bluenine - this looks like shockingly poor journalism...

when it says 'Fabregas is reportedly ready to end his adventure with the premiership club' - I'm guessing the person that reported that to him was the reporters pet guinea pig which used a rodent form of morse code to try and convey the message.

Arsenal have won more than Inter over the last few years...I wouldn't leave Arsenal for Inter anyway...

I'd absolutely love it if Inter signed him. Such a mediocre player, I patiently wait for the rest of you to cop on.

Hey, I was just pulling Tweedy's leg, we have a go at each other every week

But FYI, Inter went thru their worst phase in HISTORY in the last 20 years, but I am pretty sure Inter have still won more than Arsenal...

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

bluenine wrote:You used "Arsenal" and "competitive" in the same sentence

What are we talking about, carling cup?

Tweedle wrote:Aye - but the article is just complete tripe - he's said very recently that he loves the club and that he wants to stay there for the forseeable future, HOWEVER he did concede that later in this life he would like to move back to SPAIN.

Do you see the phrases 'eave in the summer' or 'to Italy' mentioned anywhere in that?

I've gone over this with you before bluenine. For some players its not all about winning trophies in second rate leagues. Cesc is a model professional and I'm sure he'd rather have a competitive challenge at Arsenal than walk to yet another title with inter....

bluenine wrote:Can a small english club with no silverware hopes hold on to a good talent for 8 years?? I doubt it... I am sure players like Cesc would like to win something in their life, don't ya think? On top of it, he is spanish, so international trophies are already ruled out

Tweedle wrote:Oh and whats your source for this article Bluenine - this looks like shockingly poor journalism...

when it says 'Fabregas is reportedly ready to end his adventure with the premiership club' - I'm guessing the person that reported that to him was the reporters pet guinea pig which used a rodent form of morse code to try and convey the message.

Arsenal have won more than Inter over the last few years...I wouldn't leave Arsenal for Inter anyway...

bluenine wrote:Hey, I was just pulling Tweedy's leg, we have a go at each other every week

But FYI, Inter went thru their worst phase in HISTORY in the last 20 years, but I am pretty sure Inter have still won more than Arsenal...

DeanoTheEmo-WHUFC wrote:

bluenine wrote:You used "Arsenal" and "competitive" in the same sentence

What are we talking about, carling cup?

Tweedle wrote:Aye - but the article is just complete tripe - he's said very recently that he loves the club and that he wants to stay there for the forseeable future, HOWEVER he did concede that later in this life he would like to move back to SPAIN.

Do you see the phrases 'eave in the summer' or 'to Italy' mentioned anywhere in that?

I've gone over this with you before bluenine. For some players its not all about winning trophies in second rate leagues. Cesc is a model professional and I'm sure he'd rather have a competitive challenge at Arsenal than walk to yet another title with inter....

bluenine wrote:Can a small english club with no silverware hopes hold on to a good talent for 8 years?? I doubt it... I am sure players like Cesc would like to win something in their life, don't ya think? On top of it, he is spanish, so international trophies are already ruled out

Tweedle wrote:Oh and whats your source for this article Bluenine - this looks like shockingly poor journalism...

when it says 'Fabregas is reportedly ready to end his adventure with the premiership club' - I'm guessing the person that reported that to him was the reporters pet guinea pig which used a rodent form of morse code to try and convey the message.

Arsenal have won more than Inter over the last few years...I wouldn't leave Arsenal for Inter anyway...

Yeah over time for sure...and I'm not saying Arsenal are better. I think Fabregas would be best staying at Arsenal though.

Fabregas would never hack it in Serie A.

I'd play for Inter anyday over Arsenal - as would any footballer with a soul.

Serie A clubs haven't bought big from outside of Italy but people have overlooked the fact that they buy from South America (Cavani the latest) and we don't/can't/won't.

I doubt English clubs could attract any top Serie A players either to be honest.

110% - you can't say that Ibra and Vieira aren't big names and then say that Evra, Heinze etc are.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Fabregas would never hack it in Serie A.

reasons?