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    Ronaldo my opinion

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    Post by DS Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:56 pm

    [color=black]I’m writing this from my own point of view, contested or not, these are my thoughts on our boy and my take on as many areas of the boy’s game and so forth as I could think of.

    Build


    The first thing that strikes me about Ronaldo is his height and physique. For a player who is labelled a winger, he is mountain of a man. Wingers are usually wiry, frail, fragile players with the litheness of ballerinas or contortionists, most times wingers are the smallest players on the pitch and/or the lightest. The larger framed ‘wide’ men such as Gerrard, Beckham and Ribery tend not to be actual wingers, rather they are right or left midfielders who do not follow the manual your true winger reads from in that they rarely work a fullback along the touchline looking to beat him with pace and extremely tight ball control whereas a true winger wants to isolate a fullback and burn him for pace either getting to the by-line or cutting inside at an opportune moment to get an unexpected shot off. Ryan Giggs, Arjen Robben, Dennis Rommedhal etc, etc are true wingers in physique and intent.

    Now take a look at Ronaldo. He has the physique of a centre forward. He’s about 6’2 and he has the wider upper body shape that completely belies the nominal position he starts for Manchester United in. There is one past winger in particular who he reminds me of and whose career path may well be matched by Ronaldo – Thierry Henry – both of them are quick, strong and have always looked to cut infield. ( I will detail Ronaldo’s actual position later.) The point being, that for your average fullback – who tends to be quite short and frail themselves – Ronaldo, by physique and power alone is an absolute nightmare for them to contain, this is without even factoring in his pace, just for sheer strength and the ability to ride shoulder-to-shoulder challenges, Ronaldo is in the top percentile for wingers.

    Many of the past legendary wingers had a supreme balance and sense of when to switch their body weight, Ronaldo also has this and what it means for most fullbacks is that a one-on-one with him is useless. It will only be the supreme athletes or those expert fullbacks who will even have a handle on Ronaldo from the physique aspect of the game – you can’t guide someone who is bigger and stronger than you into touch with anything like the pre-requisite frequency required to not need help. This factor is overlooked quite a bit when people talk about why Ronaldo has to be double or even tripled teamed. I haven’t mentioned his skills either because as anyone who watches our reserves knows, a bigger, faster man technically gifted or not, has a significant advantage over the smaller man in any situation where he can isolate and then run at him. It is one of the banes of our reserve season and it takes a lot of work to negate the size of an opponent. Ronaldo wins a lot of fouls from his size alone.

    Balance


    When you watch a true winger who has quality one of the first things you will take in is that this player can go ‘both ways’ left or right in his effortless harassment of the fullback or winger he is facing. Twisting and turning their men to such an extent that you can see the moment when the opposing player has his brain-fart and just ‘lets’ the whirling dervish go by without so much as sticking out an apologetic foot to try and win the ball. This is an art in itself, an art that is in decline in the modern game as more kick-n-rushers frequent the wing spots.

    In terms of balance in the modern game, there are only a few handfuls of players active at the very top level who have the balance that Ronaldo displays in every single game he plays. This factor gets lost amongst the trickery of his feet. The principles of good fullback player is to usher your man onto his weaker foot, most true wingers tend to be very one-footed, those who are two footed are at liberty to take the ball and their man on with either their left or their right foot whilst maintaining rhythm and stride pattern, by contrast a ‘one-footed’ wide man nudges the ball onward solely with his preferred foot and gives a skilled fullback the timing he needs to make tackles in between ball-nudges. Of course, at the very top end of the game dispossessing a predominantly one-footed winger is incredibly hard – Giggs in his prime moved the ball on with such speed and balance that timing the tackle was nigh-on impossible. But then you watch footage of a Best, Finney or Matthews and you see that tackling them is actually impossible because their balance is such that you cannot usher them into a weak position. A lot of defences are having this problem with Ronaldo, his balance is world class, and there are not many players active who can attain the level of balance he does whilst moving at top speed. This is another reason why he needs to be double-teamed most times he plays. The fact he can go ‘either way’ without any hesitance at all means that you’ll often see a man running with him along the wing and a man running down the inside channel fully aware that he can switch direction as he see fit.


    That Trademark Move


    You know the one? Where Ronaldo is moving at top speed, has his man/men on the back foot and just as they think he’s going to fly down the line, he kicks the ball with the inside heel of his outward leg and knocks the ball in-field into acres of space? By now this is Ronaldo’s unique trademark move. I’ve never seen another player use the move so frequently and so unerringly as Ronaldo. It’s the one move he lets the world and its mother know about because it is part of mentally conditioning opponents and sewing the seeds of doubt about the move – they know perfectly well it is coming the question is when and when you consider the speed he is moving at and the split-second an opponent has to decide whether to recompense their own balance to counter it, you should be able to understand why this move has become one of his bread and butters that will be etched into his entire career.

    In many ways I see a lot of similarities with what Ronaldo does with his feet with combat-based sports or the martial arts. In both fields a well known knockout specialist with a fabled KO move will condition all and sundry to his trademark move. The idea follows exactly the same principles as Ronaldo’s Instep special – you condition them to the ‘if’ and ‘when’, yet keep the move in storage until the time is right to spring the trap. Joe Luis, The Brown Bomber, who was knocking out ‘A Bum a month’ was fabled for his devastating left hook, opponents would cower when Luis intimated he was about to unleash it, by conditioning opponents to it he frequently knocked them out with his other hand. Cro-cop, Mirko Filipović, is famed for his famous knockout left roundhouse kick – to such an extent that this is the first sentence in his Wikipedia entry: “Mirko Filipović is known for his left high roundhouse kick which he has used to knock out many of his opponents.” Via conditioning opponents, the bait is set, and it is in identical (yet non-violent) fashion that Ronaldo executes his move.

    It is done at such pace that I can’t see a way to stop it directly, rather, an opponent would have to know it’s coming and time his collection of the ball ‘on the other side’ to collect it. The fact he always uses this move whilst he has his opponent on the back-foot means that only another player intervening from the inside can make a direct tackle. I have yet to see this move countered by any opponent he has faced, but one move, a game does not make


    Pace[color:6ef6=black:6ef6]

    This is one of the main attributes Ronaldo has right now. His much vaunted dribbling is incredibly over-rated as a whole, but as a sum of parts and factored in with his pace it becomes lethal.

    The deception with Ronaldo’s actual pace without the ball comes from the fact he is so fast with the ball. No one active right now can carry the ball forward with the pace that Ronaldo can, this gives the illusion that he is much faster than he really is. Without a doubt Ronaldo is a very, very quick player, but that is more to do with a supreme acceleration and the ability to do most of his tricks at his top speed. There are actually quite a few FB’s in the league who can match Ronaldo directly for pace, Eboue, A.Cole, M.Richards can all certainly keep up with him stride for stride, but what none of them can do is execute tackles whilst moving at their top-speed, this also makes Ronaldo appear much quicker than he is – no player in the league can execute tackles at top speed, in every instance a defender has to slow down a little to time his tackle and get himself into the correct position to make a block, this is often the time when Ronaldo will blow past them and appear to be moving at incomparable speeds. In a way he is, as he can execute quite a lot of moves at his top speed, but you often see people surprised when a FB keeps up with Ron in a direct foot-race.

    There is still only one fullback in the league I’d measure 50/50 against Ronaldo and that is Ashley Cole. The difference between what Ashley Cole has done in matching up with Ronaldo and what pacey FB’s who have had good games against him have done is that A.Cole has matched Ronaldo at International level where he is a wing-forward and has none of the defensive restrictions or the linearity put upon him that can happen in a 4-4-2. If Ronaldo simply has to run the line as a winger the chances he can be contained will rise three-fold. His pace can be negated by the right players, I feel this should be pointed out because Ron isn’t the bullet many people seem to think he is.

    Another attribute Ronaldo has is his phenomenal burst of speed from a standing start or a jog. Over the first 10 metres he is one of the fastest players in the world without a doubt. Opposing players know this and you will rarely see men going towards him when he has the ball. Like a set of relay sprinters awaiting the baton-pass the opposing fullback can more often be seen jogging in the direction Ronaldo is going rather than trying to face him head-on. Most know that on their turn they have absolutely no chance of catching him and so the smarter players will rarely reduce themselves to a halt… unless they have no intention of letting Ronaldo by them any which way, readily accepting a card for their cynicism.
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    Post by DS Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:57 pm

    Dribbling
    I feel Ronaldo’s pure dribbling ability is grossly overstated and over-rated. Not to say this is a bad thing, but it is certainly one of the perpetuated myths that seems to be growing exponentially with his stunning performances this season. Ronaldo very rarely beats his man with a non-trick laden dribble. He struggles in very tight confines and rather than go at a man when faced with say two or three very good defenders in a line near the touchline or byline, he will lay the ball off or rely on strength to get by the barricade. Pure dribblers, like Messi, relish tight confines and use slight of foot and beguiling twists and turns to slip by as many men come at them. This is one of the key differences between a trickster and a ‘proper’ dribbler – in smaller spaces where fewer tricks will work tricksters tend to lay the ball off more often then go at a man. Even if they go at a man from a precarious position they’ll look to a move like the Rivelino wrap-around in the hope they can befuddle rather than try a conventional parfait scoop of brilliance.

    You will often see that Ronaldo’s dribbling is done at pace, from deep usually with him kicking the ball and re-connecting with it upon building up enough momentum to get his party on, pace is the key factor in this and it with this weapon that he gets defenders and defences on the back-foot, not direct ‘purer’ dribbling.

    There are limitations to Ronaldo’s preferred methods of dribbling that you will see more in Europe than you will in the PL for the most part. In Europe teams set up to not give you that space to launch the ball out of your feet and crank up the dynamo to the point where they’re in trouble. Teams work extremely hard to deny precisely that space and it is a rare speedster that can go into Europe and tear all-comers a new one. Ronaldo has a lot of work to do in this regard and I personally would like to see him work on his pure dribbling more and be able to use it as a conventional weapon and add it to his tricks. But at 22, he’s got years to learn that skill and with the quickness of his feet I’m sure he can add it to his overall game without compromising what he is. You will find that when tricksters are in bad form they haven’t got much to fall back on and it is at this time that they can appear to be passengers in games somewhat, Ronaldinho in particular has been suffering from that this season and C,Ron has had his moments where his style causes him problems.

    ”Pointless Step-overs”

    How many times have you heard opposition fans say that Ronaldo’s step-overs are pointless? It does amaze me that so many have no clue what a step-over does to an opponent’s senses for that split-second while it is performed. Again, like combat sports and the martial arts, a step-over is akin to a hand or foot feint. It buys the exponent time, it lets them read their opponents reaction and helps to set up the executionary move that more often will follow. With every single successful step-over performed, the defending player has to re-adjust his feet and is one step closer to losing the meaningful part of his balance; thus meaning where he is in a position to actually make a tackle on either side of his body.

    If you throw a feinted punch successfully your opponent will flinch, his body will react in the way you want it to and you can read a lot of things in that moment before he regains his senses. One of the most common Muay Thai knockouts comes from a low shin kick feint chambered into a crushing roundhouse to the jaw. With the successful feint the opponent automatically lowers his guard or lifts his leg to block the expected low kick, which totally exposes the area of the body/head the aggressor intends to hit. In footy, with every successful step-over your opponents body will almost mimic yours to the point where if a number of step-overs are done in succession, the opponent will look like he is dancing – observe Mancini’s CL goal here for http://www1.filehost.to/files/2007-0...946_roma20.gif an example of what I mean, observe the defender, not Mancini.

    Now, in context you have those step-overs where Ronaldo is simply showboating, but I have read and heard many times that whilst running at a player step-overs are pointless. Ronaldo has bought himself enough time via a step-over to make a cross that wasn’t initially on, or take a shot he couldn’t have made because of a step-over. It’s quite alarming that folks can’t distinguish between showboating and an integral and intrinsic part of a player’s game that is used to great effect literally hundreds of times during his career.

    Why does he score so many goals?

    Ronaldo is a forward playing on the wing. He is not a winger and if you look at his positioning and initial intention on most plays where he scores goals you will see that they rarely involve him coming in directly from a wing, rather, you will see him hovering in a forward’s position and taking the chance that he has. You rarely see goals like the one he scored against Fulham recently where he starts wide and in one direct play takes the ball to goal. This is a definitive difference in Ronaldo’s game and that of actual wingers who are prolific from that position. It also renders direct comparisons with Giggs’ best goal tallies absolutely useless as in his prime Giggs played almost solely on the wings and played the position conventionally. This is why Ronaldo, like Best (another massive tallier from an apparent wing position) can and will continue to rack up huge numbers from the wing.

    Once we get into the final 3rd of the pitch Ronaldo has absolute free licence to roam. Ronaldo is the only ‘wide’ man who has ever been afforded this privilege during Fergie’s reign. And it has only become possible since we switched from a target man who Ronaldo is supposed to supply to a free-form system where he is free to do whatever he wants with no pressure to play specific balls into the vicinity of the ‘#9.

    Of course, Ronaldo also deserves a lot of credit, he is a good finisher when in closer proximity to the goal and is proficient with both feet and his head, which makes him a genuine threat on crosses, corners and from open play, not to mention the penalty spot. There is no doubt that his tally this season is stellar for any player not playing support or out-and-out striker.

    Comparisons to the greats

    Giggs obviously already being one of them would tell you my stance on this. Ronaldo shouldn’t be compared to anyone until he has had at least 3yrs of consistent performance of this level and certainly above. When he can do what he does as the coup de grace of a cup winning game against the very best there is we can start making comparisons, but for now let’s just appreciate the player as is, and not leap before he can hop.


    [color=black]The over-hype

    I think right now people are definitely getting a little carried away with our Ron. It’s only natural because he is indeed having a fantastic season and he is in the top percentile for PL player of the season, but people must remember this is only one season and one where he hasn’t taken all and sundry to the cleaners, notably he hasn’t looked peerless in Europe nor in the ‘big 4’ games we have played this term. This is where we hit a cross-roads with Ron.[color=black] You can say that Ronaldo is a fantastic component in this title charge we are on, and there is no doubt whatsoever that he has been our shining attacking light this season, but until we close out the term and can then take stock of his overall affect on it, it’s certainly premature to be calling him this or that in relation to the world game

    So is he the best player in the world right now?

    This is something I would never gauge from league form alone. The CL, the international game and any venue where all the true best players in the world get the chance to play each other is where such things are determined, you then factor in league form, which should be a given and come to a conclusion. In the CL would you say that Ronaldo has been stellar? Against the ‘big 4’ in our own league would you say Ronaldo has been stellar? These are things that have to be considered, what he is doing against the smaller teams we face is the bare minimum of requirements for such a lofty title as best in the entire world.

    I’ll say though that there isn’t anyone more exhilarating than Ronaldo at this moment in time, but Kaka’ delivers and is quality and for me is better than Ronaldo. Ron’s in the top percentile, certainly, but to say best in the world.. that would take some tinted bi-focals, I think.
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    Post by DS Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:59 pm

    Potential

    Ronaldo is at least three years away from hitting his mental and physical peak. The scope for improvement in that time is considerable. His conventional dribbling, shooting and composure should all go up a few notches and if he can remain injury-free, he has the potential to take his game to the level of a Figo (Barca) or a Giggs (late 90’s). It’s a scary thought, and if you think he’s worth a lot now, just wait until that time… there’s no doubt we’ll be trying to tie him to the longest contract possible. If he wants to go in a few years time, as a saleable asset he could well beat Zidane’s world record transfer fee.

    ”Whenever is Cristiano Ronaldo involved, is polemic. They dun like me, maybe is because I am too good”

    Indeed, and it’ll only get worse. For every great thing Ronaldo does, his name will be besmirched by a misdemeanour no matter how small. He dives, yes, but he is not as culpable as a Henry (feigning being hit in the face – Ronaldo has never done that) or many others of equal or higher profile then our lad, but because he is Cristiano Ronaldo, and because the sheep-driven mass public blame him for England being knocked out of the world cup plus him being a very flash, ‘pointless step-over merchant, one trick pony’ metrosexual, purse carrying, pretty boy he is going to irk many different people for many different reasons. Consider this, one person will …hate… Ronaldo for being so ‘disrespectful’ on the field, another chappy will …hate… Ronaldo for the perceived notion that he dives more than the average bear… others will …hate… him for having looks they would like.. and so on… that’s a lot of hate! :-) But the best thing is that Ronaldo thrives on the bad energy his presence generates at stadiums around the country.

    Where certain clubs and fans managed to really upset Beckham way back in 98/99, there is no ammo that can pierce Ronaldo’s Teflon coated bullet proof exterior, no shit that sticks. This is a lad who lost his father and came back stronger for it… I think he has the perspective that football isn’t that serious compared to bereavement and real-life hardships. He treats it like pantomime and he loves being the anti hero of the piece. I have to admit, I haven’t been as calm about a penalty taker as I am in Ronaldo since Ruud was the terminator back when he first arrived. The boy has the temperament of a true world beater.

    George Boatang and Gareth Southgate – masters of the spastic comment have conspired to basically air the views of a number of ‘pros’ in the game. Talking about how they would love to really nail Ronaldo. Let’s get one thing straight here, however, flair players who have the potential to humiliate opponents are always and have always been seen as ‘fair game’ by the talent-less hacks who populate leagues all around the world. You’ve all seen the footage of Ron ‘Chopper’ Harris trying to decapitate Georgie Best, where George stays on his feet and just goes about his business. Maradona had his ankle severely broken by the Butcher of Bilbao, he is also one of the most fouled players in history, Pele was grossly mistreated during his time and so it goes on. There’s quite a bit of hypocrisy in the hush, hush of the football world. The unspoken word as it were… do but don’t speak about it… It will be interesting to see if Boateng is punished for his comments like Keano was for his words about Haaland.. One thing is for certain – many ‘pros’ out there want to nail Ronaldo, many fans out there want to see him nailed. We have to pray that he doesn’t get seriously injured one of these days, unfortunately it’s the gauntlet one so talented and with such a thrill seeking nature runs. If Keano was still here I’d be more comfortable with the current state affairs…as it is, we have to hope someone already at the club is Ronaldo’s guardian angel who mangles those who wish our boy harm.






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    Post by Parks lives Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:00 pm

    Great thread Bilal.

    The third page, you've repeated though.
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    Post by DS Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:01 pm

    Waiting for opinions please.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:08 pm

    Still can't see what was wrong with Southgates comment...he didnt say anyone should go out and kick Ronaldo, but that lots of people want to...which is obviously true. He said they should be mature enough not to do so though..which is true.

    Can't remember what Boateng said now.
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    Post by DS Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:11 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Great thread Bilal.

    The third page, you've repeated though.
    First time i realized that there is a limit to no of words per thread so had to break it up so that mistake occured.
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    Post by Rez Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:17 pm

    Good post, I think there alot to Ronaldos game that he needs to improve; decison making and teamwork, hopefully these will come with age.

    He has all the basic attributes to become the best player in the world, he just needs to keep practicing and not beleive his own hype, which is what I think he can do.

    Regarding the dribbling I think he has learnt how to become more of a dribble ala Messi/Robben. I read somewhere that Ferguson has been teaching him to have less touches of the ball before he releases the ball. He now has less touches and is more direct, there are less moments were he stops and tries to do a trick, completely slowing down the attack. I think a trickster is better in close quarters than a dribbler. If you are surrounded by players with nowhere to run to your dribbling technique and tricks are the only way to overcome this.

    Regarding the CL, he hasnt been scoring because he doesnt play as advanced as he does in the league. However he still has quite a few assists and was MOTM in our toughest CL games (Benfica x2). Also in international football he scores alot of goals and has had two very good international tournaments, being MOTM in both semi finals he has played in. Against the big teams this season he hasnt really done that much, but its hard for a player like Ronaldo to make a big impact as the games have been very tight and he has often been double/tripple marked. However over the years he has played really well against the top teams, who can forget the 2 goals at highbury, Fa cup final agsainst Arse, the games against pool at ot a few seasons back and he got an assist against Chelsea last season.

    He is not in Ronaldinho's league yet, but no one else is, not even Kaka despite how much people want to believe he is. however when he is 24/25 he may be as good as Ronaldinho is now, but he may not. I look forward to watching him play reagrdless.
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:20 pm

    Most of what this post says .. is true, Ronaldo has the potential.

    For me he needs to limit the showboating (maybe one or two to beat players we cant deny him that ..) also continue to be direct, he needs goals in Europe added to his assists .. then he can get the recognition across the continent and possibly the World.

    This might sound 'radical' but i believe Ronaldo can learn a lot from watching Johan Cruyff, not copy his game but understand what the power of 'pace' on your side can lead to.

    45-52% sure Ronaldo can do this
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    Post by Parks lives Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:21 pm

    They'll be the big 3 players over the next 5 - 10 years imo - Ronaldo, Messi and Kaka.

    Rooney etc will be in the next bracket.
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    Post by DS Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:22 pm

    Rez internationally he plays as a part of 4 3 3 with almost no responsibility of defending, though he gets alot of freedom in our play but still not the level of the NT.
    I still think he lacks the pure dribbling of a Giggs etc but is improving , he got potential but lets see if he can be consistent with it over seasons.
    But thanks for posting I appreciate your points.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:40 pm

    Rai Krol wrote:Most of what this post says .. is true, Ronaldo has the potential.

    For me he needs to limit the showboating (maybe one or two to beat players we cant deny him that ..) also continue to be direct, he needs goals in Europe added to his assists .. then he can get the recognition across the continent and possibly the World.

    This might sound 'radical' but i believe Ronaldo can learn a lot from watching Johan Cruyff, not copy his game but understand what the power of 'pace' on your side can lead to.

    45-52% sure Ronaldo can do this

    Why the strange percentages?
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:48 pm

    borocooper wrote:
    Rai Krol wrote:Most of what this post says .. is true, Ronaldo has the potential.

    For me he needs to limit the showboating (maybe one or two to beat players we cant deny him that ..) also continue to be direct, he needs goals in Europe added to his assists .. then he can get the recognition across the continent and possibly the World.

    This might sound 'radical' but i believe Ronaldo can learn a lot from watching Johan Cruyff, not copy his game but understand what the power of 'pace' on your side can lead to.

    45-52% sure Ronaldo can do this

    Why the strange percentages?

    I'm still unsure .. the key to success is being 'direct'
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    Post by christmasborocooper Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:50 pm

    So you feel less than half sure - slightly over half sure that he can do what Cruyff did against MLS defenders.

    I see ok
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    Post by Rez Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:25 pm

    Bilal wrote:Rez internationally he plays as a part of 4 3 3 with almost no responsibility of defending, though he gets alot of freedom in our play but still not the level of the NT.
    I still think he lacks the pure dribbling of a Giggs etc but is improving , he got potential but lets see if he can be consistent with it over seasons.
    But thanks for posting I appreciate your points.

    He has less responsibilty, I was just pointing that he can play well in a game were teams give players no opportunity to use their pace. International football is very similar to CL knock out games, I think he just needs to play higher up the pitch were he can hurt people, him and Rooney play too deep in europe and dont really get into goal scoring positions. Ronaldo plays on the halfway line in most CL games away, he beats one player and either gets crowded out or fouled. The higher up the pitch the less he will get fouled and if he beats one man, he will instantly be in a dangerous position.

    He is not as good a dribbler as Giggs and he will never be, he is more similar to Ronaldinho, Robinho, players who dribble using tricks and pace, cutting in to make things happen. There approach play are different, both stlyes are effective in different situations, but if he can run past players the way Giggs does/did then it will make him a better player. I think his biggest weakness at the moment is decison making and sometimes playing for himself.
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    Post by None Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:00 pm

    Good post Billo.
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    Post by Kevin Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:25 pm

    good post. i agree with the point that ronaldo isnt that skillfull, i think playter slike Uqaresma, V perise and Hleb are more skilfull than him but the key to ronaldo is he can do stepovers whilst running near top pace; this is what makes him so scary.
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    Post by shazlx Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:11 pm

    Kevin wrote:good post. i agree with the point that ronaldo isnt that skillfull, i think playter slike Uqaresma, V perise and Hleb are more skilfull than him but the key to ronaldo is he can do stepovers whilst running near top pace; this is what makes him so scary.

    Another thing these player are the ronaldo isn't, is elegant. I'm pretty young so I haven't seen that much football of older players, just wanted to know is has there ever been a non-elegant 'great'.
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    Post by DS Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:19 pm

    @Kev
    All the things Ronnie could do are skills , for me dribbling isnt his best trait.
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:55 pm

    borocooper wrote:So you feel less than half sure - slightly over half sure that he can do what Cruyff did against MLS defenders.

    I see ok

    He can do it against any defender playing ..
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    Post by SuperMario Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:59 pm

    Salomon Kalou >>> Ronaldo
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:01 pm

    jonathan de guzman wrote:Salomon Kalou >>> Ronaldo

    This season, no.
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    Post by SuperMario Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:02 pm

    Rai Krol wrote:
    jonathan de guzman wrote:Salomon Kalou >>> Ronaldo

    This season, no.
    True. On ability Salomon edges Ronaldo. Wait till Kalou gets settled. I really fear that.
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:04 pm

    jonathan de guzman wrote:
    Rai Krol wrote:
    jonathan de guzman wrote:Salomon Kalou >>> Ronaldo

    This season, no.
    True. On ability Salomon edges Ronaldo. Wait till Kalou gets settled. I really fear that.

    That's the 'point' that needs to be addressed

    Joe Cole returns .. and Jose wants a new forward, what will happen?
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    Post by SuperMario Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:09 pm

    Rai Krol wrote:
    jonathan de guzman wrote:
    Rai Krol wrote:
    jonathan de guzman wrote:Salomon Kalou >>> Ronaldo

    This season, no.
    True. On ability Salomon edges Ronaldo. Wait till Kalou gets settled. I really fear that.

    That's the 'point' that needs to be addressed

    Joe Cole returns .. and Jose wants a new forward, what will happen?
    Joe Cole will have to deal with Robben and Jose's 4-4-2 widthless power midfield. Kalou can play right wing and center forward.

    Kalou is so skilled that in a while it will be impossible to leave him out of the team. He's slowly adjusting to the EPL. His performances are improving.

    By the way today Salomon scored for Ivory Coast at his debut.
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:11 pm

    maurities..... Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:15 pm

    jonathan de guzman wrote:
    Rai Krol wrote:
    jonathan de guzman wrote:
    Rai Krol wrote:
    jonathan de guzman wrote:Salomon Kalou >>> Ronaldo

    This season, no.
    True. On ability Salomon edges Ronaldo. Wait till Kalou gets settled. I really fear that.

    That's the 'point' that needs to be addressed

    Joe Cole returns .. and Jose wants a new forward, what will happen?
    Joe Cole will have to deal with Robben and Jose's 4-4-2 widthless power midfield. Kalou can play right wing and center forward.

    Kalou is so skilled that in a while it will be impossible to leave him out of the team. He's slowly adjusting to the EPL. His performances are improving.

    By the way today Salomon scored for Ivory Coast at his debut.

    A certain ex-Barcelona coach will be pleased Biggrin

    IMO, i am not that impressed with Kalou as of yet in a Chelsea shirt, don't get me wrong he was 100% for Feyenoord .. if he was no1 for Chelsea in his role week in and week out (like Ronaldo for Manchester United) it could be a different story.. he has potential that's for sure.

    Arnesen signed him for Chelsea, and we know what top players that man has seen.

    Ronaldo is 'public enemy no1' in England and for him to have a season like he is having shows the maturity and mentality of the player which once again should be recognised.
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    Post by Rez Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:19 pm

    jonathan de guzman wrote:Salomon Kalou >>> Ronaldo

    Fletcher>>>>>>>>>>>>>RVP>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jonathan de Guzman

    Thats an equivalent to your ridiculous statement. Maybe when Kalou dominates the prem and is one of the star players in an international tournament you can say that. All I have seen Kalou is give the ball away for Chelsea.
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    Post by Rez Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:29 pm

    Kevin wrote:good post. i agree with the point that ronaldo isnt that skillfull, i think playter slike Uqaresma, V perise and Hleb are more skilfull than him but the key to ronaldo is he can do stepovers whilst running near top pace; this is what makes him so scary.

    Ronaldo has alot more than stepovers, he is more skillful than all the above, although Ricky Q comes very close. I RVP has skills, but Hleb his only skill is the abilty to not score in clear goal scoring situations and that skill isnt exactly in demand.

    Only Dinho and Dennilson are more skillfull than Cristiano (robinho comes close). Type showboat on youtube and you will only see two players who are in every compillation; Ronaldo and Ronaldinho. They can do stuff with the ball that no one else can. Even RVP and Hlebs team mate fabregas couldnt believe the tricks he was coming out with, when they had that nike 5 a side game.

    Stepovers are a mere fraction of his array of his skills. I suggest you watch soccer AM every saturday morning, hes on every week, mesmerising defenders.
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    Post by Isco Benny Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:01 am

    Can I just say- good post.

    Ronaldo is the dogs bollocks. Im probably the worlds biggest anti-Ronaldo ist, and even I think the kid is brilliant, and will probably go on to become the worlds finest player.

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