if 002 cannot score against Andorra,...

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:Rooney at INTERNATIONAL level (for club or country) is hopeless

to my knowledge there has never been a German striker NOT SCORING for nearly THREE years in the Nationalmannschaft

good question actually:

what is the longest a striker of YOUR country has gone WITHOUT scoring for the national team ?

Mladen Rudonja did not score a goal for the Slovenian national side until his 53rd cap. He scored his first goal against Romania in a 1-1 game that saw Slovenia qualify for the 2002 World Cup instead of Romania.

@Blut
He is more Schlaudraff then Podolski.

Dark Savant wrote:@Blut
He is more Schlaudraff then Podolski.

I know, that's why I wrote that I believe that England are not using him properly.

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:Rooney at INTERNATIONAL level (for club or country) is hopeless

to my knowledge there has never been a German striker NOT SCORING for nearly THREE years in the Nationalmannschaft

good question actually:

what is the longest a striker of YOUR country has gone WITHOUT scoring for the national team ?

Its because generally we've been playing shit and the manager's haven't got the best out of him.

We play far too defensively for a team with th quality that we have and often Rooney finds himself in the DM position as a consequence.

I agree with you.

Yeah dropping Rooney would be a great idea... if we had a single decent striker in the side....

It's like asking you to stop being a WUM Otto, you really have no other substance to your posts other than "ENGLANDERS BAD DEUTSCHLAND GREAT" ditto England and their strike-force.

@tweeds

you blame the manager (McLaren/Sven)and the team in general for Rooney's ZERO goals

then please explain to me why the lad cannot hit the net for ManU in the CL either

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:@tweeds

you blame the manager (McLaren/Sven)and the team in general for Rooney's ZERO goals

then please explain to me why the lad cannot hit the net for ManU in the CL either

Because in Europe Utd play a 4-5-1 with Rooney as an attacking midfielder.

Maybe you could also explain to me how a player that isn't European or international class has managed to score 11 and get 13 assists in the league this season - a league full of international players and also how in total he's scored 13 goals internationally

incidentally

I have been saying FOR AGES that Rooney is NOT A STRIKER

he is a number 10

and should play in the hole

England should play Crouch and Bent as striker and Rooney behind

Crouch - Bent

Rooney

J.COle - Hargreaves - Lennon

Bridge - King - ? - Richards



wahre Geschichte

@ tweeds

Rooney tends to score against MINOR opposition in the EPL

have you noticed that his record against Chelsea/Liverpool/Arsenal is EXTREMELY poor ?

he's ACE against the likes of Bolton though

+

the pressure at international level are completely different

even Gerrard recently admitted that it was far harder to excel for England than for Liverpool where a team has already been forged

he also hinted that expectations were higher with England

Rooney is the traditional big fish in a small pond

put him out into the open sea and he loses his bearings

have you seen Finding NEMO ??

same thing

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:incidentally

I have been saying FOR AGES that Rooney is NOT A STRIKER

he is a number 10

and should play in the hole

England should play Crouch and Bent as striker and Rooney behind

Crouch - Bent

Rooney

J.COle - Hargreaves - Lennon

Bridge - King - Ferdinand - Richards





wahre Geschichte

Don't like the absence of Gerrard though...

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:incidentally

I have been saying FOR AGES that Rooney is NOT A STRIKER

he is a number 10

and should play in the hole

England should play Crouch and Bent as striker and Rooney behind

Crouch - Bent

Rooney

J.COle - Hargreaves - Lennon

Bridge - King - ? - Richards



wahre Geschichte

Not bad but a bit gung-ho.

I honestly think that Crouch-Rooney doesn't work - both drop deep to collect the ball and neither run on from the last defender.

Personally I'd go with Bent, he may not be a technical genious but he will force the defence to play deep freeing up space for Rooney, he'll run off the last defender + his heading ability is hugely underrated.

Defence and keeper aside I'd play:

---------------------Hargreaves--------------------

Lennon---------------Gerrard-----------------Cole

----------------------Rooney------------------------

-----------------------Bent----------------------------

With Rooney dropping into midfield when we're under pressure and then we can go 4-2-4 when attacking.

Replace Gerrard with Carrick if we want a different, less direct approach

Drop one striker

-----------Hargreaves--------Gerrard/Carrick----------

------Lennon---------Rooney/Joe Cole/Gerrard--------Cole

---------------Crouch/Bent/Owen.

look, deano

England have to start picking the best player for each position; right ?

Lennon >>> Gerrard on the right-midfield for me anytime

Gerrard has no discipline and drifts inside too much; already Rooney has no discipline; the two together does not work

therefore, the question is whether Gerrard or Rooney should play in the hole

you could pick either really; but Rooney has more potential in the long-term

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:@ tweeds

Rooney tends to score against MINOR opposition in the EPL

have you noticed that his record against Chelsea/Liverpool/Arsenal is EXTREMELY poor ?

His record verses Arsenal is in fact very good.

the pressure at international level are completely different

even Gerrard recently admitted that it was far harder to excel for England than for Liverpool where a team has already been forged

he also hinted that expectations were higher with England

Rooney is the traditional big fish in a small pond

put him out into the open sea and he loses his bearings

have you seen Finding NEMO ??

same thing

Some of that is quite true, but whenever he play with a striker that stretches the opposition defence he does well - ie with Owen or Vassell in the past.

Its only since Crouch has been playing or Defoe that he's not been as good - Defoe depsite his pace doesn't play off the last defender, neither does he contribute much to the rest of the team + off the ball he is generally poor.

I honestly think that technically he (defoe) is up there with world class strikers, he just isn't a vey intelligent footballer

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:look, deano

England have to start picking the best player for each position; right ?

Lennon >>> Gerrard on the right-midfield for me anytime

Gerrard has no discipline and drifts inside too much; already Rooney has no discipline; the two together does not work

therefore, the question is whether Gerrard or Rooney should play in the hole

you could pick either really; but Rooney has more potential in the long-term

I agree...but I didn't mention Gerrard on the right...Lennon there for sure

But Gerrard is too valuable a player to be dropped.

Rooney can play up front with the likes of Bent/Defoe BUT the long ball crap needs to stop. Play it around and play football how it should be played and it will click.

The reason Johnson and Rooney had no effect Saturday was because balls were being hit 60 yards in the air to small strikers leaving Ben Haim to deal with what is bread and butter for him..

Lennon---Hargreaves---Gerrard---Joey Cole

----------------Rooney---Defoe-----------------

nul nul zwei

Footballing minnow list by population:-

Cyprus (818,200)
Montenegro (620,145)
Luxembourg (468,571)
Malta (402,668)
Iceland (304,334)
---------------
Andorra (67,000)
Liechtenstein (35,000)
San Marino (28,000)

It's a statistical improbability nations above that line will ever be capable of winning an international competition especially in Luxembourg. They are situated in the most perfect place a small nation could ever be, all it needs now is some luck.

Those below the line will never ever win anything, unless they happen to produce a goalkeeper whose reached the levels of supernatural goalkeeping ability. We simply shouldn't draw, we will though.

Dotter und Blitzen wrote:well

Zerooney could not find the net against N.Ireland, Wales, Azer. either

international defenders of the MINOR states have come to think of ZEROoney as the PET lion: cute and cuddely with the bite of a ferocious tortoise

----------------------

does anybody know of a similar case in international football ?

an almost undroppable striker who just never scored for nearly three years ?

WOW! has it been almost three years already he hasn't been able to do the job for England? I knew he can't score for shite in the CL unless you count Fenerbahce at home!

I didn't know he was struggling that bad for England too. I mean England have played against Jamaica, Azerbaijan, Andorra...and he still hasn't scored ONE GOAL! PHEW! I know the CL is out of his league, but come on now ROONEY it's fucking Andorra. Good call Otto!

I'm thinking about putting Rooney in my Euro '08 fantasy team even as my captain. Yo Otto! He's got to score at least two goals against Andorra even though it's on the road, it's Andorra nevertheless right!

Psst! don't tell Murray I'm putting Rooney as my captain in Euro '08 competition.

otto rooney posts now a daily occurance I see.

good good

COTR wrote:otto rooney posts now a daily occurance I see.

good good

Yo COTR! how'd you like my main man Healy in last round fantasy footy? Healy got me 14 points on his own. Should've been 28, but I switched to Zurawski as my captain. I got 79 pts in the roundwith only 9 players. Clemente decided not to play Krstajić, that's why they lost. And, Slovakia gave Mintál a rest. 79 points with nine players COTR!

Why do people keep picking Lennon ahead of Dyer?


I'm not bothered ofcourse because i don't want him to play for England, it's just it would be very strange if people thought he was the better player.

Yeah, sure you're not bothered.

Kimbo wrote:Why do people keep picking Lennon ahead of Dyer?


I'm not bothered ofcourse because i don't want him to play for England, it's just it would be very strange if people thought he was the better player.

The Pros about Dyer - excellent player on form, one of my favourite players,

but he aint a winger. He's also frustratingly fragile and always injured so is there any point trying to build a team for the future with him?

Personally, I agree Lennon should not be drafted in straight away- play Dyer for 60 minutes then let Lennon explode against tired defences. He's only 19 he's got a long time to become a regular. So long as Dyer stays wide and doesnt drift in he'd be my choice too

I think Lennon should play...no such thing as too young and not ready yet. He usually terrorises any other defence. He should be the first choice Right Winger easily...

I dont see why Dyer couldnt play on the left, he played there a lot for England before his injuries and before Joe Cole came along to fairly good effect.

Id like to see them both in there. There arent enough players like lennon, cole and dyer who can beat a man in the england team

borocooper wrote:Yeah, sure you're not bothered.

I'm bothered if people actually think Lennon is better, but i'm sure that's not the case, it can't be. If he's not actually selected then i'm not bothered.

England should replace Rooney with Dyer as the withdrawn support striker. He has pace, directness, and will be much more of a threat than an off-form and low on confidence Rooney.

------------------------------James
G.Neville (c)--------Rio--------------King--------------Bridge
------------------Hargreaves-------Carrick
Dyer-------------------------Gerrard-------------------J.Cole
---------------------------------*

* = Bent/ Heskey/ Ashton/ Crouch.

I'd prefer Heskey for away games, Ashton for home games, Bent for stretching defences in the last 20 - And Crouch can play both home & away.

None of theses are top class at the moment, but it's a major improvement on Andy Bloody Johnson.

The attacking midfield triad should all have enough about them to be able to interchange positions. Lennon, like Bent should be a supersub in the last 20 mins. This role used to be Vassell's, and I've no idea why he was so ruthlessly discarded as he was quite good at it.