€80million Ronaldo on his way to Real?

Rez wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Rez wrote:

Controversy wrote:

Rez wrote:Firstly united arent a selling club, what does selling your best player show, on the world stage

I do hope you've checked your net transfer out goings of the last few years. You'd soon find something which may alarm you and may make you change that statement.

We dont sell players Fergie still wants to keep, thats what I mean. Eg Beckham, Veron, Stam and RVN were sold because Fergie didnt want them, not because they wanted to leave and united needed the money. I meant we are not a feeder club.

But in the last 10 years, in 80% of the cases when a player wants to leave and pushes for a transfer, he tends to get it. I think that this is the key to Ronaldo's transfer. If he goes in the media saying he wants to go to Madrid and claims he will never sign a contract with ManU and so on, I think that will leave Ferguson with no option but to sell him.

He said he was leaving last summer, after the Rooney incident, he is still at OT. If he turns round and hands in a transfer request in the summer and decides to join Real, then he will need to get his head examined. Fergie has made him the player he is now and has a proven record of developing youngsters. We dont even no who the next Real manager will be. He would ruin his career if he joined Real.

You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

And with an offensive coach, Ronaldo would definitely flourish in Madrid. Just imagine him sharing a wing with Cicinho or Marcelo, carving up defenses with Robinho, Higuain, etc. With all the dead wood leaving in the summer and a few signings, Madrid will be amazing next season.

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i think for him it would better if he moved next season 08/09 because then we would have had a year with shuster were things would be stable. that way he wouldnt have to come in have the pressure of being the one that saves madrid which no player has been able to in this bad period. currently he is not the player i want. i would rather have a more creating player like diego or ribbery who also wouldnt cost a fortune.

Fair comment.

Torrente wrote:

Rez wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Rez wrote:

Controversy wrote:

Rez wrote:Firstly united arent a selling club, what does selling your best player show, on the world stage

I do hope you've checked your net transfer out goings of the last few years. You'd soon find something which may alarm you and may make you change that statement.

We dont sell players Fergie still wants to keep, thats what I mean. Eg Beckham, Veron, Stam and RVN were sold because Fergie didnt want them, not because they wanted to leave and united needed the money. I meant we are not a feeder club.

But in the last 10 years, in 80% of the cases when a player wants to leave and pushes for a transfer, he tends to get it. I think that this is the key to Ronaldo's transfer. If he goes in the media saying he wants to go to Madrid and claims he will never sign a contract with ManU and so on, I think that will leave Ferguson with no option but to sell him.

He said he was leaving last summer, after the Rooney incident, he is still at OT. If he turns round and hands in a transfer request in the summer and decides to join Real, then he will need to get his head examined. Fergie has made him the player he is now and has a proven record of developing youngsters. We dont even no who the next Real manager will be. He would ruin his career if he joined Real.

You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

And with an offensive coach, Ronaldo would definitely flourish in Madrid. Just imagine him sharing a wing with Cicinho or Marcelo, carving up defenses with Robinho, Higuain, etc. With all the dead wood leaving in the summer and a few signings, Madrid will be amazing next season.

Parks lives wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i think for him it would better if he moved next season 08/09 because then we would have had a year with shuster were things would be stable. that way he wouldnt have to come in have the pressure of being the one that saves madrid which no player has been able to in this bad period. currently he is not the player i want. i would rather have a more creating player like diego or ribbery who also wouldnt cost a fortune.

Fair comment.

and to be fair i also would feel sad for fergueson and man utd if he left this year because it would be a bit ungratefull. the same i felt with cesc last season when he did great for wenger. another good reason to wait for ronaldo is that he would be cheaper next season where i think he will have it harder and not be able to live up to this one.maybe even have bad season.

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i think for him it would better if he moved next season 08/09 because then we would have had a year with shuster were things would be stable. that way he wouldnt have to come in have the pressure of being the one that saves madrid which no player has been able to in this bad period. currently he is not the player i want. i would rather have a more creating player like diego or ribbery who also wouldnt cost a fortune.

Fair comment.

and to be fair i also would feel sad for fergueson and man utd if he left this year because it would be a bit ungratefull. the same i felt with cesc last season when he did great for wenger. another good reason to wait for ronaldo is that he would be cheaper next season where i think he will have it harder and not be able to live up to this one.maybe even have bad season.

You was going great till that part.

Torrente wrote: You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

Past and present ?

Parks lives wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i think for him it would better if he moved next season 08/09 because then we would have had a year with shuster were things would be stable. that way he wouldnt have to come in have the pressure of being the one that saves madrid which no player has been able to in this bad period. currently he is not the player i want. i would rather have a more creating player like diego or ribbery who also wouldnt cost a fortune.

Fair comment.

and to be fair i also would feel sad for fergueson and man utd if he left this year because it would be a bit ungratefull. the same i felt with cesc last season when he did great for wenger. another good reason to wait for ronaldo is that he would be cheaper next season where i think he will have it harder and not be able to live up to this one.maybe even have bad season.

You was going great till that part.

but dont you think ronaldo will have to hard with living up to this season. its normal esp for young players.if man utd want to make the money they should sell now. in long term it might be smarter because of they players they could get and the debt they currently have.

The thing with Ronaldo is, not only is he a great player but he has enormous marketing potential.

or

He may do, he may not. There's no definitive way to know really.

Our debt is largely exagerated. We do not need to sell players to make money.

Jaime wrote:

Rez wrote:Ronaldinho signed from PSG, he wasnt playing for a big club when they signed him.

I don't see what this has to do with anything -- if you're point is that top players won't go to losing teams then Ronaldinho would have left PSG to go to Milan or Madrid or somewhere other than Barcelona.

Rez wrote:I understand when Real sort themselves out, which they will do eventualy everyone will want to play for Real because they are a huge club. At the moment, they seem to buy 5 players every season, sack there manager, buy more players, sack there manager etc.

In spite of all of that players like Diarra (who was being pursued by Manchester United, Milan, Inter, and Chelsea last summer), Cannavaro (best defender at the World Cup), Higuain (wanted by Chelsea and Milan), Gago (wanted by Barcelona) all chose to come to Real Madrid.

Rez wrote:Every player they have signed since 2003, played better for there previous club than they have for Real.

Sergio Ramos has made a lot of progress since he joined from Sevilla, he became a regular, full international for Spain while playing with us. Van Nistelrooy seems to be having a more productive season this year relative to last year.

My point is that top players at top clubs dont go to struggling clubs (albeit one of the biggest clubs in the world).

All those players were blinded by the money and glamour, they are perfect examples of players careers going backwards upon arrival at Madrid. I bet they are regretting joining Real over the other clubs.

I initally thought of Ramos, as he is a very good player and along with Casillas are the only players at Real that are earning their wage. RVN is playing more games than he did at his last season at united, but his goal to game ratio is way poorer

Parks lives wrote:He may do, he may not. There's no definitive way to know really.

Our debt is largely exagerated. We do not need to sell players to make money.

How much do you expect your net transfer spend will be this summer?

Parks lives wrote:He may do, he may not. There's no definitive way to know really.

Our debt is largely exagerated. We do not need to sell players to make money.

thats not what i meant. i mean giggs,scholes,vds,neville are getting old and fergueson has to build a team that can isnt to depended on one player like ronaldo. if they sold ronaldo and got the right players they might even get through the when the olds players leave without feeling it.

Rai Krol wrote:

Torrente wrote: You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

Past and present ?

Of course every player is a slight exaggeration but, yes, past and present.

I don't want to get into bashing Manchester because they are a big, big club as well but a few poor seasons will not deter players from wanting to play for Madrid which is what some people seem to be implying.

Batman wrote:The thing with Ronaldo is, not only is he a great player but he has enormous marketing potential.

Sounds like someone has been talking to Florentino

Jaime wrote:

Rai Krol wrote:

Torrente wrote: You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

Past and present ?

Of course every player is a slight exaggeration but, yes, past and present.

I don't want to get into bashing Manchester because they are a big, big club as well but a few poor seasons will not deter players from wanting to play for Madrid which is what some people seem to be implying.

Jaime, I like you so I'll be fair.

Not this summer, two years time though.

Jaime wrote:

Rai Krol wrote:

Torrente wrote: You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

Past and present ?

Of course every player is a slight exaggeration but, yes, past and present.

.

Sure ?

The greatest European Player of the 20th Century never played for Real Madrid.

He played for Barcelona though .. done well.

You know who ..

Rai Krol wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Rai Krol wrote:

Torrente wrote: You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

Past and present ?

Of course every player is a slight exaggeration but, yes, past and present.

.

Sure ?

The greatest European Player of the 20th Century never played for Real Madrid.

He played for Barcelona though .. done well.

You know who ..

im sorry but zidane did play for Real unless you are refering to that dutch bloke from ajax. kluivert right?

Rez wrote:My point is that top players at top clubs dont go to struggling clubs (albeit one of the biggest clubs in the world).

All those players were blinded by the money and glamour, they are perfect examples of players careers going backwards upon arrival at Madrid. I bet they are regretting joining Real over the other clubs.

Top players at top clubs is a different story. How many top players at top clubs have joined Manchester United recently?

The bottom line is Diarra, Cannavaro, Gago, Higuain -- they are/were all considered top players before they joined Madrid. And the point is, that they joined.

supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:

Rai Krol wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Rai Krol wrote:

Torrente wrote: You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

Past and present ?

Of course every player is a slight exaggeration but, yes, past and present.

.

Sure ?

The greatest European Player of the 20th Century never played for Real Madrid.

He played for Barcelona though .. done well.

You know who ..

im sorry but zidane did play for Real unless you are refering to that dutch bloke from ajax. kluivert right?

No .. Marc Overmars.

now lets enjoy this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gatVMdXWAI

Torrente wrote:

Rez wrote:

Torrente wrote:

Rez wrote:

Controversy wrote:

Rez wrote:Firstly united arent a selling club, what does selling your best player show, on the world stage

I do hope you've checked your net transfer out goings of the last few years. You'd soon find something which may alarm you and may make you change that statement.

We dont sell players Fergie still wants to keep, thats what I mean. Eg Beckham, Veron, Stam and RVN were sold because Fergie didnt want them, not because they wanted to leave and united needed the money. I meant we are not a feeder club.

But in the last 10 years, in 80% of the cases when a player wants to leave and pushes for a transfer, he tends to get it. I think that this is the key to Ronaldo's transfer. If he goes in the media saying he wants to go to Madrid and claims he will never sign a contract with ManU and so on, I think that will leave Ferguson with no option but to sell him.

He said he was leaving last summer, after the Rooney incident, he is still at OT. If he turns round and hands in a transfer request in the summer and decides to join Real, then he will need to get his head examined. Fergie has made him the player he is now and has a proven record of developing youngsters. We dont even no who the next Real manager will be. He would ruin his career if he joined Real.

You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

And with an offensive coach, Ronaldo would definitely flourish in Madrid. Just imagine him sharing a wing with Cicinho or Marcelo, carving up defenses with Robinho, Higuain, etc. With all the dead wood leaving in the summer and a few signings, Madrid will be amazing next season.

The allure of Real is greater than any club, when they are winning. When they are playing ugly football, sacking managers every 6 months and buying new players, destroying them and then buying more of them.

What makes you think you will be amazing next season. Barca are way ahead of you and next season without all the injuires will blow you out of the water.

I could see him wanting to join BArca if dinho/Messi leave as they play amazing football our winning things and look like doing so for the near future, they have the best teenager in the world and great players like Iniesta coming through.

Although I guess the prospect of playing with Kaka, Fabregas and Robben next season will probably sway him.

I cant be bothered with this conversation anymore, united arent a selling club, if he does leave he is a fool and I wouldnt expect him to play half as well for Madrid as he does for us.

Parks lives wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Rai Krol wrote:

Torrente wrote: You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

Past and present ?

Of course every player is a slight exaggeration but, yes, past and present.

I don't want to get into bashing Manchester because they are a big, big club as well but a few poor seasons will not deter players from wanting to play for Madrid which is what some people seem to be implying.

Jaime, I like you so I'll be fair.

Not this summer, two years time though.

How do you explain Diarra signing for us then? All of the top clubs, including you, were in for him last summer. After his CL performances last year with Lyon everyone wanted him. Why did the most sought after defensive midfielder sign for us?

Every summer since the beginning of the title drought (03/04) we have bought big name players who at the time were considered world class talent: Walter Samuel, Michael Owen, Robinho, Julio Baptista, Cicinho, Mahamadou Diarra.

I'll even exclude the likes of Cannavaro, van Nistelrooy, and Emerson because you can argue they are past their best years.

Please someone explain to me how top players don't want to player for Real Madrid any more. Now you can argue that they have not performed well since arriving because our club is utter chaos. That I will agree with (some exceptions) but top players still want to come.

Not sure Jaime, The Dinho to barca, he wanted to join Madrid, but Perez said next year as Beckham was this year. Then Man Utd and psg couldn't agree so he went to barca, he didn't exactlty choose them over top teams.

Diarra is hardly a huge name. At the moment i think the best players would choose certain teams above madrid.

L.r.d wrote:Diarra is hardly a huge name. At the moment i think the best players would choose certain teams above madrid.

Seriously? After last season Manchester United, Milan, and Chelsea all wanted him. He's not glamorous but he was considered the top defensive midfielder at the end of last season. I'm talking about Mahamadou not Lassana.

Fair points about Ronaldinho to Barcelona though.

Jaime wrote:

Parks lives wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Rai Krol wrote:

Torrente wrote: You simply don't understand how players view Real Madrid. Sorry, but Manchester United doesn't even come close to Real Madrid's glamor in the world. Nevermind the weather in Madrid. Real Madrid is the best football team of all time. Nearly every player in the world dreams about playing for Madrid. Ronaldo is no exception. He's already said it.

Past and present ?

Of course every player is a slight exaggeration but, yes, past and present.

I don't want to get into bashing Manchester because they are a big, big club as well but a few poor seasons will not deter players from wanting to play for Madrid which is what some people seem to be implying.

Jaime, I like you so I'll be fair.

Not this summer, two years time though.

How do you explain Diarra signing for us then? All of the top clubs, including you, were in for him last summer. After his CL performances last year with Lyon everyone wanted him. Why did the most sought after defensive midfielder sign for us?

Every summer since the beginning of the title drought (03/04) we have bought big name players who at the time were considered world class talent: Walter Samuel, Michael Owen, Robinho, Julio Baptista, Cicinho, Mahamadou Diarra.

I'll even exclude the likes of Cannavaro, van Nistelrooy, and Emerson because you can argue they are past their best years.

Please someone explain to me how top players don't want to player for Real Madrid any more. Now you can argue that they have not performed well since arriving because our club is utter chaos. That I will agree with (some exceptions) but top players still want to come.

Hey, what, what?

I was trying to be light hearted, who mentioned Diarra?

I mentioned Diarra...and now I'm starting to get carried away.

Anyhow, in all probability C. Ronaldo is not joining us so whatever!

Diarra went to Real Madrid because they probably offered the most money. The interest from Chelsea and the like could possibly have only ever been paper talk. Who knows?

Jaime wrote:I mentioned Diarra...and now I'm starting to get carried away.

Anyhow, in all probability C. Ronaldo is not joining us so whatever!

Hopefully he will look at Robinho as a case study

80m euros

La Saeta Rubia wrote:80m euros

Yeah, you wish you could get him that cheap.

Just kidding