Brazilian squad to face England and Turkey

you've seen Juca Kfouri's comment about afonso at his blog? this guy is sick...

sheva, I don't know if you are a journalist, but I have more respect for the police.

sheva7 wrote:WTF...I've already seen a dozen pundits criticising Dunga for calling up Afonso. Tell me a single brazilian striker who had a good season, just a good season, not a very good one. Vagner Love, Jo, Adriano, Sobis, fat Ronaldo at Madrid, Fred, Luis Fabiano. They were average at best. Right now there isn't a a good striker playing in the brazilian league(nilmar is injured). Afonso has scored more goals than all them put together but he is not good enough to be called up. I hope he shut up his critics.

When are these matches anyway ?

I'm gonna laugh so hard if Alves scores a couple of goals

...and Heerenveen will be able to ask the jackpot for him

Since 1888 wrote:Pay no intention to Rai, he keeps up hyping rubbish players like a so called Cees Keizer who has never played a single match in Ajax 1 and is 23 years old. He got his opinion about whethers someone is praised by there trainer or not.

Well... Rai is at least a typical Ajax supporter

I am proud of Riemer and Annie van der Velden who bought Alfonso Alves this season for 4mln euro's...!

Ricardo Jol wrote:

Since 1888 wrote:Pay no intention to Rai, he keeps up hyping rubbish players like a so called Cees Keizer who has never played a single match in Ajax 1 and is 23 years old. He got his opinion about whethers someone is praised by there trainer or not.

Well... Rai is at least a typical Ajax supporter

typical

typical indeed

todo wrote:you've seen Juca Kfouri's comment about afonso at his blog? this guy is sick...

sheva, I don't know if you are a journalist, but I have more respect for the police.

sheva7 wrote:WTF...I've already seen a dozen pundits criticising Dunga for calling up Afonso. Tell me a single brazilian striker who had a good season, just a good season, not a very good one. Vagner Love, Jo, Adriano, Sobis, fat Ronaldo at Madrid, Fred, Luis Fabiano. They were average at best. Right now there isn't a a good striker playing in the brazilian league(nilmar is injured). Afonso has scored more goals than all them put together but he is not good enough to be called up. I hope he shut up his critics.

hahaha

Don't worry. I'm not a journalist. Not yet. But in less than two months I will finish my graduation in journalism. No joke. In the beggining of the next year I will be a law student. I realized that I don't want to work as a journalist during my whole life (or more than 5 years). In the end of they year I will have another "vestibular exam".

I didn't read Kfouri's blog yet, but yesterday all Sportv and ESPN Brasil pundits criticised Affonso's call up.

BTW I also have more respect for the police.

ah,

about half of my friends are journalists or working in the communication field. the other half didn't attend the university.

anyway, good luck on your exams!

sheva7 wrote:hahaha

Don't worry. I'm not a journalist. Not yet. But in less than two months I will finish my graduation in journalism. No joke. In the beggining of the next year I will be a law student. I realized that I don't want to work as a journalist during my whole life (or more than 5 years). In the end of they year I will have another "vestibular exam".

I didn't read Kfouri's blog yet, but yesterday all Sportv and ESPN Brasil pundits criticised Affonso's call up.

BTW I also have more respect for the police.

@ Boyz from Brazil....

It is not strange journalists are criticising the Alfonso call up.... He hardly showed his talent in Brazil so nobody really knows him, he is already 26 and just played in Sweden and the Netherlands for small clubs.... The big guys are left out of the squad....

Journalists in Brazil are on that no worse than the journalists in any other country....

I hope he gets a fair chance. It is a HUGE difference to play for a provincial Dutch club without any pressure than to play for the Brazil national squad... It will take perhaps some time (time he won't get) before he shows his real ability because of the difference...

I really love to see him scoring goals in the yellow jersey...! That would be amazing

How good is Alfonso? What sort of player is he? Poacher, creator etc? Is he skillful?

And who's this Josque?

He is a superb lazy bastard.... He has skills and a superb free kick, very hard shot...!

If he has to work too hard he is useless so you need other players to do the dirty work for him

He is not a striker for the English Premier League, Spain suits him much better..

Though, he still has to prove if he is good enough for the real top!

@rai

I just hope he starts and scores.


@calidad

Josué is the best DM playing in Brazil alongside Lucas. he's excelent IMO.

Lets see if Sobis is picked for Brazil's, Copa America squad

Its great that Alfonso Alves is given a chance , which Dunga is doing to a couple of players , giving them a chance.

Liedson...

Luso wrote:Liedson...

Afonso>Liedson

34 goals>lesser goals

Stil great player though.

Yeah, Kezman scored a lot in Holland too...

Luso wrote:Yeah, Kezman scored a lot in Holland too...

Apparently Alfonso is the real deal, he is being linked with United, Chelsea and Real. Only Chelsea were stupid enough to be interested in Kezman.

Luso wrote:Yeah, Kezman scored a lot in Holland too...

Even Alves' own manager said that anyone can score in the Eredivisie and expressed doubts he could do the same elsewhere.

Truth be told, I doubt Liedson could score in too many other leagues either due to his very slight physique...but damn is he a class player.

He could do a job against many countries for Brazil, but I think against bigger stronger and rougher defenders at the highest level he might have trouble shaking loose of the marking...although his movement is excelent.

He did have a very poor CL this year though, and that can't go unnoticed (he was poor in PT then too though, so I'll wait to see for next year).

Luso wrote:Yeah, Kezman scored a lot in Holland too...

Indeed, we have such a poor list of topscorers in the Eredivisie : it's a veritable strikers graveyard

Out of Van Basten, Bergkamp, Romario, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooij & Kuyt you want to pick out Kezman ?

You = sad biased c**t

Axeslammer wrote:

Luso wrote:Yeah, Kezman scored a lot in Holland too...

Indeed, we have such a poor list of topscorers in the Eredivisie : it's a veritable strikers graveyard

Out of Van Basten, Bergkamp, Romario, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooij & Kuyt you want to pick out Kezman ?

You = sad biased c**t

And don't forget strikers just as Vennegoor who is banging them in Scotland. The Kezman argument is getting so over-used it's unreal.

You can't argue with Van Basten, Romario, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooij etc, but limited players like Machlas and Arveladze have ridiculous goals ratios in the eredivisie too. Saying that, it's a stronger league than the Portuguese IMO.

waft the hapless youthr wrote:You can't argue with Van Basten, Romario, Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooij etc, but limited players like Machlas and Arveladze have ridiculous goals ratios in the eredivisie too. Saying that, it's a stronger league than the Portuguese IMO.

Machlas was $h!t for Ajax too. He only had a good string at Vitesse. Arveladze is a great player, it's a shame Rangers only used him as a winger.

But the Scottish league is very poor Sparta...

waft the hapless youthr wrote:But the Scottish league is very poor Sparta...

Well yes, Arveladze failed in Scotland, well reletivly
Vennegoor, a much worser striker succeeds.

I mean you shouldn't use the Scottish league to back the the Eredivisie's case, because it is so bad. A decent striker should expect to score in pretty much every game in Scotland.

Hehe, a little bit of an overstatement there.

waft the hapless youthr wrote:Saying that, it's a stronger league than the Portuguese IMO.

Don't think so, I'd say their both even strong (or weak).

Both are used to being robbed by the bigger leagues and have found ways to be (relatively) competitive in Europe on a shoestring budget...

Of course scoring goals in the Eredivisie is something else than scoring them in England, Spain or Italy.

I thought the pedigree of topscorers from our league speaks for it self. Apparently I'm wrong and it's completely logical to judge us by the one off who didn't make it.

My bad

Look at the record of a good striker (Henrik);

Season Team Games Goals
2003-04 Celtic SCO A 37 30
2002-03 Celtic SCO A 35 28
2001-02 Celtic SCO A 33 29
2000-01 Celtic SCO A 37 35
1999-00 Celtic SCO A 9 8
1998-99 Celtic SCO A 35 29

See?

waft the hapless youthr wrote:Look at the record of a good striker (Henrik);

Season Team Games Goals
2003-04 Celtic SCO A 37 30
2002-03 Celtic SCO A 35 28
2001-02 Celtic SCO A 33 29
2000-01 Celtic SCO A 37 35
1999-00 Celtic SCO A 9 8
1998-99 Celtic SCO A 35 29

See?

Good example !

Now where did Henrik learn his trade ?

Exactly...