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    The Liverpool discussion thread 2006/2007

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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 2:39 pm

    Grim Reaper wrote:
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    Grim Reaper wrote:I hope Sissoko stays - and i think he will.

    Dont think Rafa will let him go- if he does - then it stinks of poor man management from Rafa.

    By Far our best player in the middle when on form.

    The attitude of some Liverpool fans towards Sissoko lately - is shocking.

    First blip of his Liverpool career - and people want rid.

    Sissoko MUST stay - we need him.

    We dont need him as such, we have Mascherano, however should he get injured we will be short of a defensive midfielder so Sissoko would come in very useful there.

    I think we should concentrate on getting players in before getting them out although the sooner we get rid of the dead wood e.g. zenden, gonzales, hyypia, fowler etc the better



    Sissoko is proven in the premiership - Mascherano isnt.

    A few good games in the Champions League isnt gonna make think otherwise.

    And i wasnt particulary impressed with Mascherano in the games ive seen him play in the league

    He gave the ball away in the last game which resulted in the opening goal for Charlton for instance - and they say Sissoko gives the ball away?? Dont think so

    We will need Sissoko against teams that have no interest in playing football or we will easily get outmuscled by mediocre teams.

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    Post by Guest Sun May 27, 2007 2:39 pm

    Grim, I totally disagree with you. Mascherano has been far better than Sissoko in the games he's played. He's a better tackler, and a better passer.
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    Post by GR Sun May 27, 2007 2:45 pm

    I was impressed by Mascherano - in the Champions League

    He had a great game against Milan and Chelsea(2nd leg)

    In the premiership though - im not so sure.
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    Post by GR Sun May 27, 2007 2:50 pm

    CT - ynwa wrote:Grim, I totally disagree with you. Mascherano has been far better than Sissoko in the games he's played. He's a better tackler, and a better passer.


    In all the games? You sure?

    Sissoko has put in a MOTM performance in the NOu Camp, after making his comeback from injury.

    Sissoko is a monster - end of!!

    He needs to stay!!
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    Post by Rafalution Sun May 27, 2007 3:57 pm

    Masch performance against Arsenal was amazing, in the 4-1 win!
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 4:13 pm

    Power vacuum
    Angry Rafa Benitez can’t sign players – because there is nobody at Anfield to write a cheque


    Jonathan Northcroft


    Rafael Benitez kept blowing his nose as he spoke to the press on Thursday. His complaints about the transfer inertia of his football club’s hierarchy were caustic; a savaging with sniffles. In the lobby of Athens’ Pentelikon Hotel sat Steven Gerrard, ashen, bent forward, chin resting on folded arms. The strain of losing a Champions League final attacked manager and captain physically.

    You are supposed never to walk alone at Liverpool. You celebrate and suffer as one, but infuriating Benitez was a feeling he had been deserted. Tom Hicks, George Gillett and their families were already on their way home to the US. Benitez made it clear he no longer believed Rick Parry could deliver signings: what about Gillett’s son, Foster, installed by the new owners to run Anfield? “Yes,” glowered Benitez, “but he is not here now.” Foster was on the plane with Pops. When did Benitez need him? “Today.”

    Liverpool finished 2006-07 not only trophyless but with a power vacuum swirling at its heart. Benitez’s polemic about the need to spend big and change the club’s “structure” after defeat by Milan was more than just an attack on Parry, as it was reported. The manager has succeeded, with his usual painstaking effort, in coaxing at least two “top-class targets” to the verge of joining Liverpool, only to have to keep them waiting while superiors dally. Benitez spent a long time hinting to journalists at the root problem until finally being pinned down. He kept saying he trusted Hicks and Gillett’s promise to fund signings, so why no transfers? Is the money in Liverpool’s bank account, but there is nobody to sign the cheques? “Okay,” Benitez nodded. “You know.”

    The manager has grown apart from Parry, Anfield’s chief executive, over several issues, including Liverpool being committed to two friendly tournaments, in Holland and Asia, this preseason. Benitez suggested Parry no longer has authority to push transfers through. Foster Gillett will not be Liverpool’s managing director until August. With Parry a lame duck and power held by absentee barons without their own man on the ground, the club feels paralysed. “We can improve the squad, but we have to do it now. It’s a crucial time. We can’t say, ‘We’ll see what happens in August’. Then you will lose your targets,” Benitez said.

    Background
    Fans feared Athens tragedy
    He may seem like the avuncular propietario of a neighbourhood tapas bar but Benitez is as political as Jose Mourinho. On the surface throwing barbs at Gillett and Hicks seems unwise, given the my-way-or-the-high-way culture of American business leaders, but Benitez’s attack was carefully worked out. The Americans’ strategy relies on building a new Anfield, with a 70,000-plus capacity, and they need the fans with them. But the supporters are with Benitez and so are the players, Jamie Carragher and Gerrard especially.

    Rather than admonishing him, the Americans have already moved to placate Benitez. Late on Friday there was a transatlantic conference call involving Foster and George Gillett, Hicks and his son Tommy, Parry and Benitez. “We had a long call and agreed on actions to be taken with our own players and with possible new players and we are all comfortable with our plan,” said Tom Hicks. He excused Benitez’s ire in Athens: “He was very upset the day after the match.”

    Benitez’s challenge to the owners is to back up their words with action. The current stasis is affecting Liverpool’s most important players. Despite reports that Gerrard and Carragher had extended their contracts, nothing has been finalised. There is delay over new deals for Xabi Alonso and Jose Reina. On Wednesday night in Athens, Benitez held a powwow with Gerrard, Carragher, Reina and Alonso. They are his inner circle, the players around whom he sees Liverpool’s future being built. “We were talking about the game, the quality of the opposition players, the tactics we had. Xabi, Reina, Gerrard, Carra want to know that you have good players ready to sign. The problem is if we spend time, if we waste time, we can’t sign the players we want,” said Benitez.

    Were Gerrard and company as “frustrated and angry” as he? “Yes. The players must be happy and have confidence in the team.” Should Liverpool worry about losing some of the quartet if the impasse over new contracts continues? “Could be. Because they are good players and they could have some offers.”

    Benitez is about to go on holiday for a week but will continue working via his mobile phone and said he would be “disappointed” if at least one new signing is not clinched by the time he gets back. His previous three seasons at Liverpool make him pessimistic. A lack of funds in the pre-American era, coupled with what Benitez sees as Parry’s less-than-dynamic modus operandi, saw the manager put a deal in place for Nemanja Vidic, only to be gazumped by Manchester United. Simao Sabrosa was so keen to join Liverpool last summer he was sending messages to Benitez until transfer deadline day, but ended up staying at Benfica. He is back on Benitez’s shopping list along with Gabriel Milito, Jefferson Farfan, David Silva, David Villa and Samuel Eto’o.

    Athens exposed the best and worst of the present Liverpool. Through effort rather than technical flourishes they had Milan pinned down until Filippo Inzaghi’s lucky opener. Yet they are also limited, lacking invention and personnel to alter a defensive gameplan at 1-0 down.

    If Benitez gets the big money and quick action he wants, especially after being so bolshie, it will be his make-or-break moment. The idea he has already spent £100m is creative accounting by his critics. Benitez’s net spending is £44m over three seasons. For that he has twice finished above Arsenal and won as many trophies as Manchester United. “You must be clear. I am happy with the new owners. I trust them and they want to finish as high as possible because they are winners – this is one thing I like about them. But they need to understand the business here. We have just signed Lucas Leiva, a top-class midfielder, 20, the Golden Boot in Brazil. There was another big club after him but we did a fantastic job. It’s not always a question of the amount you pay, but how quickly you move.”

    Rafa Benitez in the transfer market

    - Since Rafa Benitez joined Liverpool in June 2004 he has signed 29 players. He has also unloaded 36, thereby cutting his net outlay to around £44m. His signings are:

    Josemi (Malaga £2m, now Villareal), Luis Garcia (Barcelona £6m), Xabi Alonso (Sociedad £10.5m), Antonio Nunez (R Madrid swap, now Celta Vigo), Mauricio Pellegrino (Valencia free, now Alaves), Fernando Morientes (R Madrid £6.3m, now Valencia), Scott Carson (Leeds £750,000), Jose Reina (Villarreal £6m), Mark Gonzalez (Albacete £4.5m), Boudewijn Zenden (Middlesbro free), Antonio Barragan (Sevilla free, now Deportivo), Mohamed Sissoko (Valencia £5.6m), Peter Crouch (So’ton £7m), Godwin Antwi (Zaragoza free), Jack Hobbs (Lincoln free), Paul Anderson (Hull free), Jan Kromkamp (Villarreal swap, now PSV), David Martin (MK Dons free), Daniel Agger (Brondby £5.8m), Robbie Fowler (Man City free), Craig Bellamy (Blackburn £6m), Gabriel Paletta (Ban? eld £2m), Fabiano Aurelio (Valencia free), Jermaine Pennant (Birmingham £6.7m), Dirk Kuyt (Feyenoord £9m), Nabil El Zhar (St Etienne free), Alvaro Arbeloa (Deportivo £2.6m), Francisco Duran (Malaga free), Javier Mascherano (West Ham free)

    Possible targets: Gabriel Milito (Zaragoza, defender) £8m Jefferson Farfan (PSV, striker) £10m Simao Sabrosa (Ben? ca, winger) £12m Samuel Eto’o (Barcelona, striker) £30m David Villa (Valencia, striker) £35m


    Interesting to note that it had only been 44m rather than the often quoted 100m pounds
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    Post by Deano Sun May 27, 2007 4:16 pm

    Interesting to note that Carlos "likely to sign for Liverpool" Tevez isn't even listed as a target ok
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    Post by Guest Sun May 27, 2007 4:17 pm

    Stupid article. Why would Rafa be complaining when the transfer window doesn't even open for another month?
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 4:17 pm

    Lucas Deano Neill wrote:Interesting to note that Carlos "likely to sign for Liverpool" Tevez isn't even listed as a target ok

    It's a rough list Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 4:17 pm

    CT - ynwa wrote:Stupid article. Why would Rafa be complaining when the transfer window doesn't even open for another month?

    He did complain in his press conference right after Athens ok
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    Post by Guest Sun May 27, 2007 4:18 pm

    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:Stupid article. Why would Rafa be complaining when the transfer window doesn't even open for another month?

    He did complain in his press conference right after Athens ok

    Really? He needs to chill.
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 4:19 pm

    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:Stupid article. Why would Rafa be complaining when the transfer window doesn't even open for another month?

    He did complain in his press conference right after Athens ok

    Really? He needs to chill.

    Well I can understand his frustration, you can't just talk about buying players, you must go out and buy them
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    Post by Guest Sun May 27, 2007 4:20 pm

    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:Stupid article. Why would Rafa be complaining when the transfer window doesn't even open for another month?

    He did complain in his press conference right after Athens ok

    Really? He needs to chill.

    Well I can understand his frustration, you can't just talk about buying players, you must go out and buy them

    But we can't actually buy anyone until July. We have plenty of time - no need to rush.
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 4:20 pm

    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:Stupid article. Why would Rafa be complaining when the transfer window doesn't even open for another month?

    He did complain in his press conference right after Athens ok

    Really? He needs to chill.

    Well I can understand his frustration, you can't just talk about buying players, you must go out and buy them

    But we can't actually buy anyone until July. We have plenty of time - no need to rush.

    You can sign players now, they don't come until July though
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    Post by Deano Sun May 27, 2007 4:21 pm

    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:Stupid article. Why would Rafa be complaining when the transfer window doesn't even open for another month?

    He did complain in his press conference right after Athens ok

    Really? He needs to chill.

    Well I can understand his frustration, you can't just talk about buying players, you must go out and buy them

    But we can't actually buy anyone until July. We have plenty of time - no need to rush.

    June 1st mate ok

    Tranfer window opens then...
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 4:22 pm

    Too many players are spouting out ambiguity to be honest, 'i want to stay, im happy here', 'i would love to play in front of the kop', 'i dont know where my future lies'

    It's about time they decided
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    Post by Guest Sun May 27, 2007 4:23 pm

    Lucas Deano Neill wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:Stupid article. Why would Rafa be complaining when the transfer window doesn't even open for another month?

    He did complain in his press conference right after Athens ok

    Really? He needs to chill.

    Well I can understand his frustration, you can't just talk about buying players, you must go out and buy them

    But we can't actually buy anyone until July. We have plenty of time - no need to rush.

    June 1st mate ok

    Tranfer window opens then...

    Oh right, so we can finalise the Tevez transfer soon then Razz
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    Post by Deano Sun May 27, 2007 4:24 pm

    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Lucas Deano Neill wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:
    Luis wrote:
    CT - ynwa wrote:Stupid article. Why would Rafa be complaining when the transfer window doesn't even open for another month?

    He did complain in his press conference right after Athens ok

    Really? He needs to chill.

    Well I can understand his frustration, you can't just talk about buying players, you must go out and buy them

    But we can't actually buy anyone until July. We have plenty of time - no need to rush.

    June 1st mate ok

    Tranfer window opens then...

    Oh right, so we can finalise the Tevez transfer soon then Razz

    c**t...
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    Post by Rafalution Sun May 27, 2007 4:25 pm

    He said he wants to act really quickly, before they lose another transfer target and gave Lucas as an example, that it was how quick we acted to sign him.
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    Post by Guest Sun May 27, 2007 4:28 pm

    Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez is keen on signing Valencia midfielder David Silva. (News of the world)

    YES PLEASE
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 4:28 pm

    Does anyone know how many red cards we've had this season?

    Have we had any!?
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    Post by Guest Sun May 27, 2007 4:32 pm

    Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez wants West Ham striker Carlos Tevez and is willing to offload forward Craig Bellamy to raise part of the likely £25m asking price. (The People)

    Liverpool's summer transfer hitlist includes Samuel Eto'o, Carlos Tevez, Daniel Alves and Gabriel Milito. (Sun)

    Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez wants to splash £20m on Carlos Tevez. (Sunday Express)

    West Ham want £8m-rated Liverpool striker Craig Bellamy to replace Carlos Tevez. (The Sun)

    Carlos Tevez is wanted by most of Europe, with Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Real Madrid and AC Milan among the suitors. (Various)


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    Post by Deano Sun May 27, 2007 4:34 pm

    Craig Bellamy to replace Carlos Tevez Laugh Laugh

    Great sentence...
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 4:35 pm

    this time last year you would have grabbed Bellamy with both hands
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    Post by Guest Sun May 27, 2007 4:36 pm

    Lucas Deano Neill wrote:Craig Bellamy to replace Carlos Tevez Laugh Laugh

    Great sentence...

    You're worried, secretly. That's why you're getting so defensive about Tevez coming here Wink
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    Post by Deano Sun May 27, 2007 4:36 pm

    Luis wrote:this time last year you would have grabbed Bellamy with both hands

    I didn't say he was Cr@p...infact he is a very good player. But he won't replace Tevez will he? I don't think you can replace a player like Tevez...
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 4:37 pm

    Lucas Deano Neill wrote:
    Luis wrote:this time last year you would have grabbed Bellamy with both hands

    I didn't say he was Cr@p...infact he is a very good player. But he won't replace Tevez will he? I don't think you can replace a player like Tevez...

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    Post by Guest Sun May 27, 2007 5:06 pm

    The Liverpool discussion thread 2006/2007 - Page 4 Tevez

    Read it and weep Deano!
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    Post by Luis Sun May 27, 2007 5:08 pm

    wooooooooooooooo!
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    Post by Cesc Soler Sun May 27, 2007 5:11 pm

    CT 9/10 for that mate, you really had me fooled for a moment.

    'Tevez unsure of future'
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