European League

If there was an european league:

- which 20 teams do you think should qualify,
- how do you think the promotion/relegation should work
- do you think its a good idea??

Top 3 from England
Top 3 from Italy
Top 3 from Spain
Top 2 from Holland
Top 2 from Portugal
Top 2 from Germany
Top 2 from France

Then 3 places to be decided by a play off between teams from league like the Belguim, Scottish, Turkish etc.

funny you ask that bluey.

Do you play football manager?

I made a copy of my database and re-edited it so that there was a five tier European league system - no CL or UEFA, just 5 leagues of 28 teams (no cups).

In the league system I set up, there were 4 teams relegated and four promoted (the last spot through the playoffs)

Regarding the teams in it, in mine I had the teams that on paper were the best in the game, in real life this wouldn't be so fair though.

At a guess the 20 teams would be:

1. Barcelona
2. Real Madrid
3. PSV
4. Lyon
5. Porto
6. Sporting
7. Ajax
8. Celtic
9. CSKA
10. Steaua
11. Inter
12. Milan
13. Man Utd
14. Chelsea
15. Bayern
16. Galatasaray
17. Marseille
18. Werder Bremen
19. Rangers
20. Kiev

No more than 2 teams from each country - a few teams that judging on this season shouldn't be there but overall a good balance of big teams and teams on form

No Juventus

They are one of the biggest club in the world

TarunDang wrote:No Juventus

They are one of the biggest club in the world

2 teams MAX from each country.

I'm hardly going to leave out the present Serie A winners or the cL winners for a Serie B team that barely records attendances of 20,000

Tweedle wrote:

TarunDang wrote:No Juventus

They are one of the biggest club in the world

2 teams MAX from each country.

I'm hardly going to leave out the present Serie A winners or the cL winners for a Serie B team that barely records attendances of 20,000

They are no more in Serie B...

20,000?? Must include a lot of away fans!!

Tweedle wrote:

TarunDang wrote:No Juventus

They are one of the biggest club in the world

2 teams MAX from each country.

I'm hardly going to leave out the present Serie A winners or the cL winners for a Serie B team that barely records attendances of 20,000

I meant 20,000 when back in Serie A

bluenine wrote:20,000?? Must include a lot of away fans!!

Tweedle wrote:

TarunDang wrote:No Juventus

They are one of the biggest club in the world

2 teams MAX from each country.

I'm hardly going to leave out the present Serie A winners or the cL winners for a Serie B team that barely records attendances of 20,000

bluenine wrote:20,000?? Must include a lot of away fans!!

Tweedle wrote:

TarunDang wrote:No Juventus

They are one of the biggest club in the world

2 teams MAX from each country.

I'm hardly going to leave out the present Serie A winners or the cL winners for a Serie B team that barely records attendances of 20,000

Lol, cheap dig.....still made me chuckle though

How would relegation/promotion work?? Would you prefer to do it country wise or country agnostic??

Parks lives wrote:Top 3 from England
Top 3 from Italy
Top 3 from Spain
Top 2 from Holland
Top 2 from Portugal
Top 2 from Germany
Top 2 from France

Then 3 places to be decided by a play off between teams from league like the Belguim, Scottish, Turkish etc.

Do you corelate attendances with success?

TarunDang wrote:Do you corelate attendances with success?

I'd want a league that was axciting to watch - people don't want to turn on their TVs and see half empty stadiums, and away fans do't want to go to a windswept ground with a splattering of home fans

I would rather use the UEFA rankings to start with the following European League:

1 AC Milan Ita
2 FC Barcelona Esp
3 Liverpool Eng
4 Internazionale Ita
5 Arsenal Eng
6 Real Madrid Esp
7 Chelsea Eng
8 Manchester United Eng
9 Valencia Esp
10 Olympique Lyon Fra
11 Newcastle United Eng
12 Juventus Ita
13 FC Porto Por
14 Sevilla Esp
15 PSV Eindhoven Ned
16 AS Roma Ita
17 Villarreal Esp
18 Bayern München Ger
19 Benfica Por
20 Ajax Ned

Make this sit on top of all domestic leagues. Cancel the CL and continue with the UEFA Cup. Make the format of the UEFA Cup resemble the current CL format. Then each year, relegate 4 teams from this European league back into their domestic leagues. And promote the 4 semifinalists of the UEFA Cup...

That should make things very interesting!!

The only problem is that I always want Inter to play in the Serie A... nopt playing should never be an option. Thats why a European League will never happen. You can never abandon the scudetto!!

Worrying thing with those 20 teams, is coming 5th would seem like a good season.

Coming fifth would be a great season!

Its all hypothetical of course - not got a clue who would win the title.

Imagine what winning that league would feel like!!!

Imagine when Roma or Sevilla or Ajax are the "easy" games!!!

Parks lives wrote:Worrying thing with those 20 teams, is coming 5th would seem like a good season.

For Arsenal, not getting relegated would be a good season

Tweedle wrote:Coming fifth would be a great season!

Its all hypothetical of course - not got a clue who would win the title.

bluenine wrote:If there was an european league:

- which 20 teams do you think should qualify,
- how do you think the promotion/relegation should work
- do you think its a good idea??

And that will end football as we know it. You do well in your championship and get to play in Europe. That's how it's now and how it should be. Well in some championships you don't really have to do that well because even a 4th spot could take you to the CL.

That would be great news for football fans living in the cities like Singapore etc. However for football supporters it’s the ultimate death, as I consider myself a supporter instead of a fan. I think it’s a horrible idea, this takes everything out of the game what’s good about it..

Except that we finished top of the mini big four league in the EPL this season.

Our problem is verses teams that park the bus - can't see many teams in this lseague doing that.

I could see us coming top 4

bluenine wrote:For Arsenal, not getting relegated would be a good season

Tweedle wrote:Coming fifth would be a great season!

Its all hypothetical of course - not got a clue who would win the title.

Yeah, right! You barely managed that in EPL!!

Tweedle wrote:
I could see us coming top 4

bluenine wrote:I would rather use the UEFA rankings to start with the following European League:

1 AC Milan Ita
2 FC Barcelona Esp
3 Liverpool Eng
4 Internazionale Ita
5 Arsenal Eng
6 Real Madrid Esp
7 Chelsea Eng
8 Manchester United Eng
9 Valencia Esp
10 Olympique Lyon Fra
11 Newcastle United Eng
12 Juventus Ita
13 FC Porto Por
14 Sevilla Esp
15 PSV Eindhoven Ned
16 AS Roma Ita
17 Villarreal Esp
18 Bayern München Ger
19 Benfica Por
20 Ajax Ned

My problem with this is Newcastle. To me they are the least deserving of all teams in that list. What have they ever done in CL, or in the UEFA cup campaign besides qualifying a couple of of times, compared to ALL these other teams. Even Boro have more right IMO, as they at least got to the final.
All these other teams have put in some work, and either did what was exepcted or over achieved against the odds.
Newcastle is one of the richest, doesn't even get close to the CL, yet always also manages to underachieve.

No offense Kimbo and Basch.

A European League would never work. The way things are all teams that 'dominate' their respective top tier leagues, would never give up their own league to join one were the success simply wouldn't be as prevalent.
Sure, it would be a spectacle to watch and a test of football, but horrendous on the history of some domianting teams and horrible for the supporters who don't have the money to, basicly, jet set across Europe.
You'd lose the charm of football and end up like Camp Nou full of accountants and tourists who never cheer. Or very much like the last two World Cups.

It would be the greatest thing to football, and the most radical damaging change to the football experience.

Did you actually read my post?

We came top by quite a long way in the battle of the big 4 - the points we dropped were against teams that parked the bus

bluenine wrote:Yeah, right! You barely managed that in EPL!!

Tweedle wrote:
I could see us coming top 4

DD wrote:

bluenine wrote:I would rather use the UEFA rankings to start with the following European League:

1 AC Milan Ita
2 FC Barcelona Esp
3 Liverpool Eng
4 Internazionale Ita
5 Arsenal Eng
6 Real Madrid Esp
7 Chelsea Eng
8 Manchester United Eng
9 Valencia Esp
10 Olympique Lyon Fra
11 Newcastle United Eng
12 Juventus Ita
13 FC Porto Por
14 Sevilla Esp
15 PSV Eindhoven Ned
16 AS Roma Ita
17 Villarreal Esp
18 Bayern München Ger
19 Benfica Por
20 Ajax Ned

My problem with this is Newcastle. To me they are the least deserving of all teams in that list. What have they ever done in CL, or in the UEFA cup campaign besides qualifying a couple of of times, compared to ALL these other teams. Even Boro have more right IMO, as they at least got to the final.
All these other teams have put in some work, and either did what was exepcted or over achieved against the odds.
Newcastle is one of the richest, doesn't even get close to the CL, yet always also manages to underachieve.

No offense Kimbo and Basch.

That bits a bit unfair, we did alright in it about 5 years ago.

Thats just 6 games, dude... imagine that over 38 games, arsenal don't stand a chance...

Tweedle wrote:Did you actually read my post?

We came top by quite a long way in the battle of the big 4 - the points we dropped were against teams that parked the bus

bluenine wrote:Yeah, right! You barely managed that in EPL!!

Tweedle wrote:
I could see us coming top 4

I agree... all clubs should play their domestic championships...

Still think that a mini-super-league would be a much better idea than the current CL.... if they could just change the format of the CL to accomodate only 8 teams (all champions) playing in a league to decide the european champion, that would be cool.

DD wrote:A European League would never work. The way things are all teams that 'dominate' their respective top tier leagues, would never give up their own league to join one were the success simply wouldn't be as prevalent.
Sure, it would be a spectacle to watch and a test of football, but horrendous on the history of some domianting teams and horrible for the supporters who don't have the money to, basicly, jet set across Europe.
You'd lose the charm of football and end up like Camp Nou full of accountants and tourists who never cheer. Or very much like the last two World Cups.

It would be the greatest thing to football, and the most radical damaging change to the football experience.

Why not?

We have as good a chance as a lot of other teams. Like I said, we only struggle against teams that park the bus or teams like bolton that just rely on long balls - in that league I doubt ANy teams would play these tactics so we'd do well I think - better than Inter at least

bluenine wrote:Thats just 6 games, dude... imagine that over 38 games, arsenal don't stand a chance...

Tweedle wrote:Did you actually read my post?

We came top by quite a long way in the battle of the big 4 - the points we dropped were against teams that parked the bus

bluenine wrote:Yeah, right! You barely managed that in EPL!!

Tweedle wrote:
I could see us coming top 4

Dude, I can never figure out when you are serious and when you are kidding!

Tweedle wrote:Why not?

We have as good a chance as a lot of other teams. Like I said, we only struggle against teams that park the bus or teams like bolton that just rely on long balls - in that league I doubt ANy teams would play these tactics so we'd do well I think - better than Inter at least

bluenine wrote:Thats just 6 games, dude... imagine that over 38 games, arsenal don't stand a chance...

Tweedle wrote:Did you actually read my post?

We came top by quite a long way in the battle of the big 4 - the points we dropped were against teams that parked the bus

bluenine wrote:Yeah, right! You barely managed that in EPL!!

Tweedle wrote:
I could see us coming top 4

bluenine wrote:

Dude, I can never figure out when you are serious and when you are kidding!

Tweedle wrote:Why not?

We have as good a chance as a lot of other teams. Like I said, we only struggle against teams that park the bus or teams like bolton that just rely on long balls - in that league I doubt ANy teams would play these tactics so we'd do well I think - better than Inter at least

bluenine wrote:Thats just 6 games, dude... imagine that over 38 games, arsenal don't stand a chance...

Tweedle wrote:Did you actually read my post?

We came top by quite a long way in the battle of the big 4 - the points we dropped were against teams that parked the bus

bluenine wrote:Yeah, right! You barely managed that in EPL!!

Tweedle wrote:
I could see us coming top 4

here are some stats for u bluey:

against the top 4 in the epl, arsenal's position = 1st.

against the top 10, arsenal's position = 2nd.

we don't struggle against quality teams that play football.