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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:13 pm

    What are the traditionally strongest rivalries? Let me list a few from the top of my head...


    Germany vs. Netherlands

    Germany vs. England

    Brazil vs. Argentina

    England vs. Argentina

    England vs. Scotland

    Turkey vs. Greece


    What about your country? Which country do you see as your main rival?


    And what about friendships, of if that is a too strong word, sympathies? I'll list a few for my country Germany:


    Germany & Italy (although it looks like this will change in future after the events last year)

    Germany & France (used to be major rivals, now it's a quite respectful relationship)

    Germany & Scotland (Scots like us because the English hate us I guess)

    Germany & Japan (always have been friends....)
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:14 pm

    Rivalries:

    Norway v Sweden

    Bosnia v Serbia

    Croatia v Serbia

    Peru v Chile
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    Post by DD Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:17 pm

    Netherlands - Argentina has been a big one since WC78 Grr and WC98.
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    Post by None Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:18 pm

    Turkey vs Greece.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:22 pm

    Would England & Netherlands count as a "friendship"? And what about Portugal vs. Spain, major rivals?
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    Post by Parks lives Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:24 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Would England & Netherlands count as a "friendship"?

    Not really, if we played them in a major tournament I'd still want to beat them 4-1 again. Razz
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    Post by None Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:24 pm

    Is Wales & Scotland a friendship? There's no bind like mutual loathing.
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    Post by Axeslammer Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:30 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Would England & Netherlands count as a "friendship"?

    Nah, the English national team doesn't make me run hot or cold....they're colorless and odorless Wink

    Rivalry is between Holland and Germany and a little bit with Belgium.

    You might expect some rivalry with Argentina or Portugal....but I don't really think the majority sees it as such (and I don't either).

    Personally I want revenge against Brazil for the bought match in 1994.

    Friends : the Irish and the Czechs....last one more is more of a mutual respect kind of thing though.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:32 pm

    We like the Irish also, they seem to like us also, at least they don't hate us. Great fans they have.

    Add Germany & Brazil under friendships (how could I forget that one Doh). A very respectful relationship, used to be the same with the Argies, but not after what happened last year.
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    Post by DD Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:33 pm

    I have an inkling that the next time Netherlands-Portugal meet there could be another rivalry in the making.

    Erm... as for rivalries:
    Turkey - Armenia
    Turkey - Cyprus
    Serbia - Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Serbia - Croatia

    Both Serbia and Turkey have pissed off a lot of people, and tehre are always injured folks when these meet up.
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    Post by None Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:36 pm

    Nigeria-Ghana
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:39 pm

    I assume that you can add China vs. Japan to the list, but CKing will know better.

    Iran vs. Israel doesn't qualify as a rivalry though, it's just war by other means.

    Iran vs. Saudi Arabia is very fierce also, with most of the Arabian neighbours actually.
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    Post by DD Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:40 pm

    a polluted stream is man wrote:Nigeria-Ghana
    Another good one. Cameroon - Nigeria weren't best of mates either.

    Mexico - USA.
    Iran - USA (WC94)
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:43 pm

    are the rivalries mainly political and geographical .. yes , silly me

    with the exception of maybe Brazil v Argentina

    correct me if I'm wrong , politically Brazil and Argentina share good relations ??
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:44 pm

    They are political rivals also, at least to some extent (fight for the dominant role on the South American continent).
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    Post by None Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:48 pm

    Yes, but pretty much allied in recent years, thanks to shared love of corruption.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:54 pm

    An old rivalry of ours that has cooled down a lot recently is Austria, basically due to Austria being extremely Cr@p. We never really hated them as much as they hate us though.

    Switzerland is a more ambivalent example. We are 'friends' (first official match was against the Swiss, we have played the most matches against them by far), but they do see us as a rival also.
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    Post by Fey Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:15 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:An old rivalry of ours that has cooled down a lot recently is Austria, basically due to Austria being extremely Cr@p. We never really hated them as much as they hate us though.

    Switzerland is a more ambivalent example. We are 'friends' (first official match was against the Swiss, we have played the most matches against them by far), but they do see us as a rival also.

    You only have one rival...and that is us!! Biggrin at least it is mutual, I always get the idea that England-Germany is more onesided Laughing
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:23 pm

    Yeah, the English definitely hate us more than we loathe them. But it is a rivalry nonetheless, it has all the ingredients ("Achtung! Surrender! For you Fritz, ze Euro 96 Championship is over"), can't deny that.

    But Holland is our rival number 1, no doubt. But there is a chance that this might change in future though. We didn't have an important match against each other for ages, no ugly scenes in the last matches either.


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    Post by Ä Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:23 pm

    I agree with Fey

    our main rival , on a purely emotional level, is Holland
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    Post by Barrilete Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:23 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:They are political rivals also, at least to some extent (fight for the dominant role on the South American continent).

    Maybe a few decades back in time...nowadays there is no rivalry. My country is destined to collapse. Corruption all over the state, a fake democracy(where votes are bought), a political class with the reasoning of a 3 year old and a system that prevents any honest, intelligent person from getting involved. Now sure Brazil does share some of our stigmas but at least they don't f@ck up their economy as we do and they do have some sense about what country they want to become in the long term. IMO, southamerica will only come through the day Brazil becomes so big that it will drag the rest of the countries from the water.

    Oh year...just footballing rivalry for the younger generations
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    Post by Barrilete Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:24 pm

    otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:I agree with Fey

    our main rival , on a purely emotional level, is Holland

    Otto isn't that the queen of Spain on your avatar?may I ask why?
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:25 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Yeah, the English definitely hate us more than we loathe them. But it is a rivalry nonetheless, it has all the ingredients ("Achtung! Surrender! For you Fritz, ze Euro 96 Championship is over"), can't deny that.

    But Holland is our rival number 1, no doubt. But there is a chance that this might change in future though. We didn't have an important match against each other for ages, no ugly scenes in the last matches either.

    2004 .... we were singing schade Deutchland alles ist vorbei.... cheers
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    Post by Fey Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:27 pm

    And our rivalry is more funnier as well, I mean this was just funny.

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    Were the English only mention bombs, wars etc.


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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:31 pm

    Ricardo Jol wrote:
    2004 .... we were singing schade Deutchland alles ist vorbei.... cheers

    Like we did in 2006. That's just not ugly enough I'm afraid....

    But Germany vs. Holland is actually the rivalry I enjoy the most these days also. It used be very ugly (thanks to your players...), but in the last few years, it's extremely funny most of the time.

    @Fey

    lol!

    Yeah, like that. Unfortunately, everything really started in 1974 (at least on the pitch), that's why we couldn't welcome the Wohnwagen armada in a similar fashion...
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    Post by DD Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:34 pm

    At the WC06, Germany were singing chants about Netherlands in all their matches, even though we didn't play against each other.

    After we were knocked out the Germans were singing about us being knocked out.

    lol!
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    Post by Fey Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:39 pm

    During 88 and 92 it was pure mutual hate, after that it went just to a funny rivalry.

    I think it will decline even more over the upcomming years. Some reasons.

    -WW2 generation is dying out
    -We dont play each other any more a lot during the cups.
    -Without Germany....we are bankrupt, we are all one these days.
    -Germany dont have any "Germans" anymore (Lothar, Effenberg, Jeremies etc)
    -....they play more Dutch then us....

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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:46 pm

    otto would LOVE us to have few more Lothars and Effenbergs, or "Drecksäue" how we call them, in our current team. I'm not talking about their undeniable football skills, he misses the dirty tackles, or what he confuses with manliness.

    He may even have a point, because every team probably needs a "terrier" type of player, but it shouldn't be the predominant quality of the team.

    P.S.: I love my Hollandrad!
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    Post by DD Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:52 pm

    For old time sakes Biggrin
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    Post by DD Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:53 pm

    Fey wrote:During 88 and 92 it was pure mutual hate, after that it went just to a funny rivalry.

    I think it will decline even more over the upcomming years. Some reasons.

    -WW2 generation is dying out
    -We dont play each other any more a lot during the cups.
    -Without Germany....we are bankrupt, we are all one these days.
    -Germany dont have any "Germans" anymore (Lothar, Effenberg, Jeremies etc)
    -....they play more Dutch then us....
    - the FA's are too scared to schedule 'friendlies' between the nations, thus we play less against another.

    Aber vieleicht werden wir die Fahrads vergeben, aber wir werden es niemals vergessen. Biggrin <Ale>
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