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    Post by Brian2468 Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:12 pm

    kas wrote:That's another thing I don't understand - why does Allardyce play 4 CB's across the back? I think he did the same at Bolton as well.

    Maybe because he doesn't want them running forward much, and just letting the 3 up front provide the width?

    Makes perfect sense to me if you have 4 center backs that are also quick. Why bother leaving your flanks weak from good counter attacking teams...
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:39 am

    Man U must be pissing themselves at their outgoing transfers this summer -

    Richardson 5.5 million
    Smith 6 million
    Rossi 6.7 million (with a buy back clause in case he comes good)

    That's 18.2 million pounds for two players who were deadwood in the squad and one youngster who looks promising but wasn't going to get the games he probably needed, and who they can bring back if they change their minds.

    That's paid for Owen Hargreaves with some change left over.
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    Post by Mexicanbecks Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:09 am

    i dont think its a buy back clause, just first option if they choose to sell
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    Post by Lard Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:02 am

    Mexicanbecks wrote:i dont think its a buy back clause, just first option if they choose to sell

    Fergie said buy back option in the quotes i saw. Biggrin <Ale>
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    Post by Bashmachkin Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:17 am

    TeamSpirituality wrote:Man U must be pissing themselves at their outgoing transfers this summer -

    Richardson 5.5 million
    Smith 6 million
    Rossi 6.7 million (with a buy back clause in case he comes good)

    That's 18.2 million pounds for two players who were deadwood in the squad and one youngster who looks promising but wasn't going to get the games he probably needed, and who they can bring back if they change their minds.

    That's paid for Owen Hargreaves with some change left over.

    That considered, £6million for Smith suddenly doesnt sound so bad. At least we didnt spend almost three times as much on another player who cant do anything with the ball, but only runs about a lot.

    Personally, Im not keen on the idea of four centre backs across the back line. To me, especially with the midfield we might play (which midfield has rapidly become a horrifying prospect, considering theres a real possibility we could play Butt, Barton, Smith - the worst midfield by far we will ever have had since I supported the club), its not attacking enough and puts too much strain on the forwards to provide all width. Plus, whilst Taylor can do a job at right back, I wouldnt be happy with him there permanently.

    Following Kimbos line-up, Id go:

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    Solano--Taylor--Rozehnal--Dragutinovic

    ----------------Diop/Faye-------------------

    ------------Geremi-----N'Zogbia-----------

    ---Milner--------Viduka--------Martins----


    Obviously we dont have either DM and dont seem close to getting either, but I would be far from happy starting the season with Butt our only real option there. Id be glad to get either of the above options. Diop can be good with the ball, and like Kimbo says, he is one of the most physically dominating players in the league. It would also hopefully satisfy Allardyces need for tall players, and we could forget about that from there, and actually play footballers or buy footballers for other parts of the pitch. For me, though Dragutinovic seems from what little Ive seen of him a good player, Id have rather gone for Baines - and its ludicrous we havent considering we obviously have the money, considering we are about to waste in on Smith. Its not like we have any young left back coming through, and with Dragutinovic in a season or two we will simply be beginning the search again, whereas Baines is a good footballer and would be someone we could grow with. Personally, with Rozehnal, hopefully Cacapa and Solano or Geremi at right back, I think we have enough experience along the back line, especially since neither Taylor or Baines are novices anymore, and we are likely to have experience in front of them in defensive midfield.

    If we werent to bring in anyone for the defensive midfield position, personally, I even wonder whether Geremi would work that bit further back, because hes got the ability to be a sort of deep lying playmaker, whilst being strong and decent in the tackle.

    Whatever, from Kimbos formation Id be happier with N'Zogbia that bit further back to add something different - ie. pace, ability with the ball at his feet - to the midfield. Then Martins can play either side in a front three, and we could play either Owen or Milner over on the right, or else Martins there and Luque or Duff (or again maybe Owen) on the left.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:07 am

    I can't see Smith signing for anyone if they tell him he's going to play midfield. He'll want to be a forward.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:09 am

    Well done Kimbo, for being a good sport you can take it down Monday morning. ok
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    Post by robert Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:21 am

    Park did you deliberately find a picture with Richardson in the background or was it an accident? Laughing
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:21 am

    Accident of course. Razz
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    Post by robert Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:24 am

    I though it was subtle humour at its finest.
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    Post by Kimbo Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:40 pm

    I'm pretty sure Smith is supposed to be our Kevin Nolan. Erm There's NO chance he'll play upfront IMO, only in emergencies.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:45 pm

    Bashmachkin wrote:
    That considered, £6million for Smith suddenly doesnt sound so bad. At least we didnt spend almost three times as much on another player who cant do anything with the ball, but only runs about a lot.

    Regular set piece taker in his Bayern days. This is absolute bullshit, as ever...
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    Post by Sir Harry Flashman Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:47 pm

    Roger Hunterrific wrote:Man U must be pissing themselves at their outgoing transfers this summer -

    Richardson 5.5 million
    Smith 6 million
    Rossi 6.7 million (with a buy back clause in case he comes good)

    That's 18.2 million pounds for two players who were deadwood in the squad and one youngster who looks promising but wasn't going to get the games he probably needed, and who they can bring back if they change their minds.

    That's paid for Owen Hargreaves with some change left over.

    Glamour comes with a price!!! Cool
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    Post by Kimbo Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:07 pm

    It's official.

    http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1084227,00.html

    The c**t is already in training. Erm

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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:08 pm

    You never know - Allardyce has got the best out of worse players than Smith, maybe he'll do alright for your lot.

    Big maybe, I know, but wait and see.
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:23 pm

    If he gets him in a non-technique based role he'll be fine...
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    Post by Sir Harry Flashman Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:28 pm

    Parks lives wrote:If he gets him in a non-technique based role he'll be fine...

    Like Peter Crouch ye means?
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    Post by Roger Hunt Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:44 pm

    Sir Harry Flashman wrote: Like Peter Crouch ye means?

    Nice one - pick arguably our best technical player over the last 2 seasons.

    Now, if you'd've said Sissoko....
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    Post by Bashmachkin Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:19 pm

    Roger Hunterrific wrote:
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    That considered, £6million for Smith suddenly doesnt sound so bad. At least we didnt spend almost three times as much on another player who cant do anything with the ball, but only runs about a lot.

    Regular set piece taker in his Bayern days. This is absolute bullshit, as ever...

    From the free kicks Ive seen him take for Bayern, hes not particularly good at those, and looking at the statistics hes only scored five times in 145 appearances which doesnt suggest an amazing skill or potency. I understand he also takes corners at times, but what seems like a minor ability with a dead ball isnt enough to sway me in my view that hes not particularly good with the ball, nor a hugely intelligent footballer.

    Back to Smith, and its quite besides the point whether Allardyce can get the best from what he has, because we have four or five other forwards then even more midfielders who are more talented than he is. We should focus on getting the best out of them. Smith simply isnt needed, isnt of the required quality, and so hes a waste of money.

    I am reading that there are a few suggestions we might be after Baines again. And Dragutinovic sounds close to a done deal - hes apparently said that the move represent the financial opportunity of his life.
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    Post by DS Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:57 pm

    So you are saying Hargy only ran around for Bayern ?
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    Post by Parks lives Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:45 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:So you are saying Hargy only ran around for Bayern ?

    Yes, because free kicks are all about scoring goals. Erm
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    Post by Bashmachkin Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:48 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:So you are saying Hargy only ran around for Bayern ?

    Im saying that I dont think Hargreaves is the most talented, technically gifted of players. For me, from what Ive seen, hes not top class in the defensive midfield role in any sense - hes not wonderful positionally, whilst hes not such a good passer of the ball that he will create much from that position - hes an above average player who will get the ball and play it off and not do much more. I think his main attribute is his energy. The fact that he takes free kicks and may perhaps do something good with them besides from scoring - which is something he obviously doesnt do - doesnt convince me otherwise, but Im not seeking to be convinced.

    Ultimately, my main point of concern in this thread is that I dont think he, at £17million, represents wonderful value for money in comparison to Smith for £6million.
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    Post by Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:50 pm

    He's a good player but not one I rate highly....yet.
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    Post by Deano Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:28 pm

    Kieron Dyer's move has stalled at the moment. Apparent problem with the fee.
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    Post by Kimbo Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:48 pm

    Cacapa has signed, AND the official Villareal site say we've signed 21 year old left back José Enrique - apparently, i don't speak gobbldygook.

    http://villarrealcf.es/principal.php?nombreModulo=noticiasDetalle&idnoticia=5216&idseccion=7&idmenu=4&idsubmenu=35

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    Post by fcb Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:52 pm

    Yes, that's what it says. Jose Enrique to Newcastle.
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    Post by Kimbo Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:54 pm

    kas wrote:Yes, that's what it says. Jose Enrique to Newcastle.

    Who the f@ck is he kas, any idea?
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    Post by fcb Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:00 pm

    Very talented 21 yr old Spanish LB, who I assume they were willing to let go (partly because of money of course) because they've just signed Capdevila, Spanish and ex-Depor LB.
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    Post by Sgoater1 Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:11 pm

    Smith and Barton in the same team, all Newcastle have to do now is sign Diouf.
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    Post by Kimbo Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:14 pm

    And Dragutinovic, apparently a couple of spanish comedians went to Sevillas training complex, one of them patted him on the arse and he got chinned. lol!

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