Brazilian players impact in La Liga and EPL

Can you remember when was the last time brazilians had so little influence in La Liga? I can't.

Real Madrid and Barcelona have only one brazilian as a starter. Both are full backs. There aren't brazilian players in Atleti, Villareal and Valencia that can be considered indispensable for their respective squads, except Senna. Luís Fabiano was great last season, but I don't think that Sevilla will fight for the title.

Can you see this changing in the near future? Since the early 90's, when Bebeto signed for Deportivo, Brazil had important players in La Liga playing for contenders.

At the same time, more and more brazilians are moving to England. Six players were called up by Dunga on wednesday play in the EPL. Two years ago Gilberto Silva was the only EPL player that was regularly called up for the national squad.

However brazilians are far away from having the same impact that they had in La Liga and that they have in Serie A. A few years ago it would be impossible to think Barcelona and Real Madrid without brazilians as today it is impossible to think Milan and Inter without brazilian stars. The big four have brazilian players, but they are rotation players.

How long it will take until brazilians become protagonists in the EPL? Or this day will never come? Will they ever have the same impact they had in Spain?

It may be a coincidence, Geovanni just scored an amazing goal against Arsenal.

It could go either way tbh, in the EPL the brazilians will earn top dollar, but the weather won't favour them.

I.e. Elano tends to be great during the summer, but during autumn and winter his form nose dives.

We'll have to wait for the next batch of Brazilan talents, there isn't much new players to import from Brazil at the moment tbh.

Heh, I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw the Brazil squad earlier today...only Luis Fabiano and Dani Alves from La Liga

Here goes the hype machine!

Possebon, the Da Silva Twins and Anderson will be pivotal players at man utd and maybe even Brazil in some 5 years.

Well Brazil are the most represented nation amongst EPL's foreigners.

Serie A seem to have the Brazlians that really matter in Kaka', Dinho, Pato, Maicon, Mancini, Adriano, Cesar etc. I think if Robinho is very successful in England, then we will see an influx of even more Brazilians there. The trend is changing.

We need to make a thread, "Dutch players impact in La Liga and everywhere"...RVN and VDV

Hi Hater wrote:It could go either way tbh, in the EPL the brazilians will earn top dollar, but the weather won't favour them.

I.e. Elano tends to be great during the summer, but during autumn and winter his form nose dives.

We'll have to wait for the next batch of Brazilan talents, there isn't much new players to import from Brazil at the moment tbh.

what?

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Well Brazil are the most represented nation amongst EPL's foreigners.

Serie A seem to have the Brazlians that really matter in Kaka', Dinho, Pato, Maicon, Mancini, Adriano, Cesar etc. I think if Robinho is very successful in England, then we will see an influx of even more Brazilians there. The trend is changing.

Have you got a link to this? Must be a new development cos I think there's always been more French players then anywhere else. Unless you are talking about non-EU players?

Z wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Well Brazil are the most represented nation amongst EPL's foreigners.

Serie A seem to have the Brazlians that really matter in Kaka', Dinho, Pato, Maicon, Mancini, Adriano, Cesar etc. I think if Robinho is very successful in England, then we will see an influx of even more Brazilians there. The trend is changing.

Have you got a link to this? Must be a new development cos I think there's always been more French players then anywhere else. Unless you are talking about non-EU players?

World Soccer (August 2008).

Yep, more than any other nationality.

Until Robinho's move, I wouldn't have said any genuinely top class Brasilians had ever played in the EPL. They've tended to be in the tier below. So like Forza say's, if he proves to be successful it may entice more Brasilians to move to the EPL.

Also worth noting that a lot of Brasilians are also in the Bundesliga.

sheva7 wrote:Geovanni just scored an amazing goal against Arsenal.

Cracking goal to be fair.

What is his reputation like in Brazil?

@ Calidad

I would say the Juninho was very close to be considered a top class Brazilian footballer at the time, even though it was indeed ages ago when he first moved to Teeside.

If that red tape wasn't in place about signing players fro Brazil before they turn 18, there would probably be more in the EPL.

Cesc Soler wrote:

sheva7 wrote:Geovanni just scored an amazing goal against Arsenal.

Cracking goal to be fair.

What is his reputation like in Brazil?

@ Calidad

I would say the Juninho was very close to be considered a top class Brazilian footballer at the time, even though it was indeed ages ago when he first moved to Teeside.

If that red tape wasn't in place about signing players fro Brazil before they turn 18, there would probably be more in the EPL.

I think it was todo that said he was barely known in Brasil though.

Calidad wrote:

Cesc Soler wrote:

sheva7 wrote:Geovanni just scored an amazing goal against Arsenal.

Cracking goal to be fair.

What is his reputation like in Brazil?

@ Calidad

I would say the Juninho was very close to be considered a top class Brazilian footballer at the time, even though it was indeed ages ago when he first moved to Teeside.

If that red tape wasn't in place about signing players fro Brazil before they turn 18, there would probably be more in the EPL.

I think it was todo that said he was barely known in Brasil though.

No, Juninho definitely was considered a top class footballer at the time. He was called up regularly by Zagallo. He would have been a starter at the 98 WC if it wasn't for that conte Michel Salgado.

Cesc Soler wrote:

sheva7 wrote:Geovanni just scored an amazing goal against Arsenal.

Cracking goal to be fair.

What is his reputation like in Brazil?

@ Calidad

I would say the Juninho was very close to be considered a top class Brazilian footballer at the time, even though it was indeed ages ago when he first moved to Teeside.

If that red tape wasn't in place about signing players fro Brazil before they turn 18, there would probably be more in the EPL.

He is well known here, but he is just considered a decent player.

I don't know...I'd always had the impression that there were more brasilians playing in Serie A historically. Like in 1994 - who of the World Cup squad aside from Bebeto and Romario played in Spain? I think in 1998 there was only Rivaldo and Roberto Carlos and the same in 2002.

off the top of my head

Robinho
Elano
Jo
Alves
Gomes
Alex
Anderson
Denilson
Lucas
Aurelio
Cavelieri
Belletti
Geovani
Fabio
Raphael
Possebon

any more?

do we count the likes of Deco, Eduardo?

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Well Brazil are the most represented nation amongst EPL's foreigners.

Serie A seem to have the Brazlians that really matter in Kaka', Dinho, Pato, Maicon, Mancini, Adriano, Cesar etc. I think if Robinho is very successful in England, then we will see an influx of even more Brazilians there. The trend is changing.

Thats an interesting thing you point out Forza... but in Italy, Brasilians are not just about quality... i recently had a bet with a mate on which nation added the most amount of foriegners to Serie A... I thought it was Argentina, and he felt it was brasil. Not counting the youth players and the players out on loan (there are many of those from these two nations), Serie A teams have 34 Argies and 44 Brasilians!!!!

The turin based teams (Juve and Torino) interestingly have the lowest amounts from these countries... only Amauri. The 2 Milan teams have 17.

And all this excluding the youth players and players out on loan... that could add upto 20-30% to these numbers.

So I would say its safe to assume that Serie A still has more brasilians than any other european league.

I thought that 'fact' seemed a little 'wrong'

and with work permit issues and hype I can't see there being another 30 Brazilians in the EPL that I haven't heard of.

Frenchers off the top of my head.........

Anelka
Malouda
Gallas
Clichy
Sagna
Kaboul
Saha
Chimbonda
Faubert
Nasri
Silvestre
N'Zogbia
Diaby
Malbranque
Cisse
Kapo
Diarra
Aliadiare
N'Gog

and that's before you look in the Arsenal youth team

Perhaps the article was about how there are more Brazilians in the EPL than ever before? I could believe that.

"It is a measure of the rapidly changing nature of English football that there are now more Brazilians in the Premier League than any other foreign nationality" (World Soccer August 2008).

Maybe they are not counting EU players as foreign? I doubt it. That sentence is pretty unequivocal.

Batglenn wrote:off the top of my head

Robinho
Elano
Jo
Alves
Gomes
Alex
Anderson
Denilson
Lucas
Aurelio
Cavelieri
Belletti
Geovani
Fabio
Raphael
Possebon

any more?

do we count the likes of Deco, Eduardo?

Caçapa and Gilberto

Jaime wrote:I don't know...I'd always had the impression that there were more brasilians playing in Serie A historically. Like in 1994 - who of the World Cup squad aside from Bebeto and Romario played in Spain? I think in 1998 there was only Rivaldo and Roberto Carlos and the same in 2002.

Mauro Silva.

1994

Taffarel - Parma
Jorginho - Bayern
Aldair - Roma
Márcio Santos - Bordeaux
Leonardo - São Paulo
Mauro Silva - Deportivo
Dunga - Frankfurt
Zinho - Palmeiras
Mazinho - Palmeiras
Bebeto - Deportivo
Romário - Barcelona

1998

Taffarel - Atlético Mineiro
Cafu - Roma
Aldair - Roma
Júnior Baiano - Flamengo
Ruinberto Carlos - Madrid
Dunga - Stuttgart
César Sampaio - Japanese club
Leonardo - Milan
Rivaldo - Barça
Bebeto - Botafogo
Ronaldo - Inter

I always had the impression that Brazilian most important and decisive players were in Spain. Four brazilian players won the golden ball playing in Spain. Over the past decade some of Barcelona and Real Madrid most important players were from Brazil.

In the late 90's and early 00's Brazilians never had the same impact in Italy. Roma had four or five brazilians, but none of them was as important as Totti, Montella or Batistuta (ok, I'm being a little bit unfair with Cafu and Emerson). Juve and Lazio were the most consistent italian clubs at the time and they didn't have any brazilian player in their ranks. Ronaldo had the best season of his career in 97-98, but then he got injured and we all know what happened. Things started to change only when Kaká arrived and Adriano reached his peak.

TM wrote:It could go either way tbh, in the EPL the brazilians will earn top dollar, but the weather won't favour them.

I.e. Elano tends to be great during the summer, but during autumn and winter his form nose dives.

We'll have to wait for the next batch of Brazilan talents, there isn't much new players to import from Brazil at the moment tbh.

what are you? Our Brazillian scout?

How do you know? Aren't you from the Midlands?

As for Elano, it's ridiculous to say that he tends to do anything since he's only been in England for a season. The whole City team were poor in the 2nd part of last season so you could say Petrov 'tends to be great during the summer, but during autumn and winter his form nose dives.' ONLY YOU CAN'T because he too has only been in England for a year so he doesn't TEND to do anything.

The Elano thing has been debated in a few journalists tbh, grab a edition of World Soccer or another decent football mag, one with more words than pics, so not Match glenn

you simply can't generalise like that. If he does the same thing over 3 seasons you can say it's what he does, doing something once doesn't make it the norm.

Elano was just an example in the whole Brazilians adapting to English weather etc.

Just wait for Robinho, Jo and Elano's form to begin to fade towards and in the winter.

it was a terrible example.

Actually it wasn't. It's exactly what happened last season.(although its been the only one season for him) He was Citeh's main player and as soon as his form declined so did City in general.

that's exactly what makes it a terrible example

it only happened once

the whole City side played badly

I'm not saying it's not the case, it was just a ridiculous example, followed up with an even more ridiculous and baseless sweeping statement about young talent in Brazil.

That's even before we get to the fact that players from all over the world suffer with the climate in their first season.

Sheva7: How long it will take until brazilians become protagonists in the EPL? Or this day will never come? Will they ever have the same impact they had in Spain?

We have to wait for the next generation of Brazilian players to transfer from Brazil to get a definitive answer to that question.

And at the moment no player in particular stands out as the next Ronaldinho, Ronaldo etc. Thats all i said.

TM wrote:Elano was just an example in the whole Brazilians adapting to English weather etc.

Just wait for Robinho, Jo and Elano's form to begin to fade towards and in the winter.

Elano spent three seasons in Ukraine. English weather is heaven for him.