When will Hodgson be sacked?

When?

Thats right, 3 months in - sack him. You'll have them queuing up to take his place

Fergie's minion has been sent to destroy us from within

What do the Liverpool fans want?

More importantly is the decision by RBS on the refinancing of the loan, apparently Hicks & Gillett have missed a £200m payment but they have until mid-October to put something together. I just can't imagine a club like Liverpool going into administration.

'Mid October' is just over 10 days away. It's not entirely unimaginable.

Cesc Soler wrote:What do the Liverpool fans want?
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There was pretty much a unanimous lack of belief in his ability to do the job before today

Then today happened so you can take a guess what most are thinking now


The RBS deadline is what everything is thinking about, hence the protests, marches, email and media campaigns etc. Sadly Roy is making things even more difficult as we will have to replace him and start again part way through the season.

There's no doubt Woy is doing badly, but surely players should get some blame too. Torres been well off his game, Johnson and the central defenders failing to do their job, likes of Maxi, J.Cole, Babel just not producing. Manager has to take a big chunk of blame for the results, but not 100%.

Ade wrote:Fergie's minion has been sent to destroy us from within

This is an utterly outrageous accusation!

Yes, Hodgson and SAf are VERY GOOD freinds and have been for a long time as senior football men they share the exepriece and knowldge that is a mutually respected matter.

BUT, that should not lead to speculation that Hodgson credibity or honor is in question.

Hodgson is a GREAT manager.

Liverpool sadly parted (in Rafa) with an even greater manager - so it is very hard to follow in hos footsteps.

In good time, Hodgson will turn Liverpool into a top 4 team again and restore them to their proper position.

To call for or wish for him to be sacked is a joke! He has already turned things around in the very short time he has been in charge. Liverpool has rediscovered their confidence and are playing excellent football and are almost back in theoir pompe and glory!

To Roy!

debaser wrote:There's no doubt Woy is doing badly, but surely players should get some blame too. Torres been well off his game, Johnson and the central defenders failing to do their job, likes of Maxi, J.Cole, Babel just not producing. Manager has to take a big chunk of blame for the results, but not 100%.

I'm not even sure where to start on this Debbie.

We sit 50 yards behind Torres and hoof the ball up to him. He has never ever been good when he drops deep and has to get involved in the build up on the halfway line so it isn't surprising to see him struggling when we are set up to make him do this.

He hasn't got a relegation zone squad. A manager's job is play a formation to suit the players he has got. Roy is actually doing the opposite and said today he won't be changing methods that he has had for 30 years. Just look at the way he lined us up today. I didn't even watch the game because it was so obvious how it would pan out. You just had to listen to Danny Murphy commentating on him during the week to know his methods now will not alter.

He is doing far more harm and almost no good. There are so so many things he has done wrong since he came in it almost defies belief and that's before we start discussing how he handles himself in the press.


Totally and utterly out of his depth

Just found out Liver lost to Blacks at HOME! - oh dear....!

I can see the reason for unhappy but faith is an important thing.

I thought the English were supposed to be patient?!!?!?! Anyhow, it's awfully early. I would have thought only RM supporters talked about sacking the manager in October. Spurs were in a similar situation a couple years ago and they turned it around. Of course they had to sack Juande first so...

ROY OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jaime wrote:I thought the English were supposed to be patient?!!?!?! Anyhow, it's awfully early. I would have thought only RM supporters talked about sacking the manager in October. Spurs were in a similar situation a couple years ago and they turned it around. Of course they had to sack Juande first so...

ROY OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you ever lose at home to a team like Blackpool Jaime


This is a man who was quoted in the press as saying about his own signing

'I do not know what Meireles' best position is.'

He then has decided to play him on our right wing ever since in a 4-4-2. It is with these sorts of decisions he becomes a hard man to defend.

debaser wrote:There's no doubt Woy is doing badly, but surely players should get some blame too. Torres been well off his game, Johnson and the central defenders failing to do their job, likes of Maxi, J.Cole, Babel just not producing. Manager has to take a big chunk of blame for the results, but not 100%.

Liverpool went from having the best central midfield in the league (Alonso+Mascherano with Gerrard in front of them) to having one of the worst. Rafa sold Alonso, and failed to sell Mascherano when the big bids came in for him.

Torres was crap for a lot of last year also, and was AWFUL for the excellent Spain side that won the World Cup. Woy wasn't in charge of either of those teams.

Liverpool's wingers have been shit for a long time, there's not much Woy can do to turn Babel and Maxi (both Rafa signings) into useful players. Carragher has needed replacing for at least two years before Woy took over, so that isn't his fault either.

He's made some bad decisions, no doubt at all. But with some of them he had no choice. Liverpool fans need a scapegoat, Wodge is an easy target. He didn't become a bad manager in the few weeks between taking Fulham to the Waffa cup final and taking over at Liverpool.

Don't forget, around this period last year Liverpool won only 1 game in 10, and the fans were blaming Rafa for everything and saying he had to be sacked. The same fans who are now blaming Woy for everything and saying they never should have sacked Rafa.

Pathetic, if you ask me.

Hodgson has got very grey in the past few weeks

COTR wrote:

Jaime wrote:I thought the English were supposed to be patient?!!?!?! Anyhow, it's awfully early. I would have thought only RM supporters talked about sacking the manager in October. Spurs were in a similar situation a couple years ago and they turned it around. Of course they had to sack Juande first so...

ROY OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you ever lose at home to a team like Blackpool Jaime


This is a man who was quoted in the press as saying about his own signing

'I do not know what Meireles' best position is.'

He then has decided to play him on our right wing ever since in a 4-4-2. It is with these sorts of decisions he becomes a hard man to defend.

Hmmmmmm....we had some pretty awful results in Bernardo Schuster's second year. But I know where you are coming from. The whole Meireles thing is really bizarre. I've only ever seen him in the centre of midfield. I really thought Roy would have done better than this.

Hodgson is not doing himself any favours with some of his decision making, but the teams he is putting out should be doing far better than they are. Most of these players were there when we finished second, they havent suddenly become bad players, but they are unfocused, moody, negative etc. Just a bad mentality all through the club.

It will be a lonely christmas....

You gotta love headline-writers.

BBC:

Roy Hodgson admits relegation concern for Liverpool

Hodgson said: "There are 31 games left but when you are in the relegation zone you are in a relegation battle.

"But I really don't think my concerns are with relegation, my concerns are we are not playing to our full potential."

When asked if six points from seven games was unacceptable, Hodgson replied: "Yes of course it is. This is Liverpool. We are a big club and big team and none of us would accept it is a correct total.

"We can't do anything about that now but we certainly have to work very hard to do better in the future."

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debaser wrote:There's no doubt Woy is doing badly, but surely players should get some blame too. Torres been well off his game, Johnson and the central defenders failing to do their job, likes of Maxi, J.Cole, Babel just not producing. Manager has to take a big chunk of blame for the results, but not 100%.

Liverpool went from having the best central midfield in the league (Alonso+Mascherano with Gerrard in front of them) to having one of the worst. Rafa sold Alonso, and failed to sell Mascherano when the big bids came in for him.

Torres was crap for a lot of last year also, and was AWFUL for the excellent Spain side that won the World Cup. Woy wasn't in charge of either of those teams.

Liverpool's wingers have been shit for a long time, there's not much Woy can do to turn Babel and Maxi (both Rafa signings) into useful players. Carragher has needed replacing for at least two years before Woy took over, so that isn't his fault either.

He's made some bad decisions, no doubt at all. But with some of them he had no choice. Liverpool fans need a scapegoat, Wodge is an easy target. He didn't become a bad manager in the few weeks between taking Fulham to the Waffa cup final and taking over at Liverpool.

Don't forget, around this period last year Liverpool won only 1 game in 10, and the fans were blaming Rafa for everything and saying he had to be sacked. The same fans who are now blaming Woy for everything and saying they never should have sacked Rafa.

Pathetic, if you ask me.

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Boneyskank wrote:

debaser wrote:There's no doubt Woy is doing badly, but surely players should get some blame too. Torres been well off his game, Johnson and the central defenders failing to do their job, likes of Maxi, J.Cole, Babel just not producing. Manager has to take a big chunk of blame for the results, but not 100%.

Liverpool went from having the best central midfield in the league (Alonso+Mascherano with Gerrard in front of them) to having one of the worst. Rafa sold Alonso, and failed to sell Mascherano when the big bids came in for him.

Torres was crap for a lot of last year also, and was AWFUL for the excellent Spain side that won the World Cup. Woy wasn't in charge of either of those teams.

Liverpool's wingers have been shit for a long time, there's not much Woy can do to turn Babel and Maxi (both Rafa signings) into useful players. Carragher has needed replacing for at least two years before Woy took over, so that isn't his fault either.

He's made some bad decisions, no doubt at all. But with some of them he had no choice. Liverpool fans need a scapegoat, Wodge is an easy target. He didn't become a bad manager in the few weeks between taking Fulham to the Waffa cup final and taking over at Liverpool.

Don't forget, around this period last year Liverpool won only 1 game in 10, and the fans were blaming Rafa for everything and saying he had to be sacked. The same fans who are now blaming Woy for everything and saying they never should have sacked Rafa.

Pathetic, if you ask me.

yep - but the situation is far too complex for tabloid digest, it's not one person's fault it's the perfect storm of a hundred and one factors the majority of which were beyond Hodgson's control.

Nevertheless he can be held accountable for the decisions he has made, and he has made enough for decisions in a short space of time to be under such scrutiny.

I'm not putting it all down to Hodgson like I didn't put it all down to Rafa but it doesn't take a genius to see that this isn't working at the moment. Losing to Northampton and Blackpool in the space of 10 days is beyond unacceptable, it really is. Hodgson's rant about being respected because he has some success in Sweden or somewhere around 10-15 years ago really makes him look foolish, football has moved on and we need a younger manager who can motivate as well get us playing a bit of football.

Catfucker wrote:yep - but the situation is far too complex for tabloid digest, it's not one person's fault it's the perfect storm of a hundred and one factors the majority of which were beyond Hodgson's control.

Nevertheless he can be held accountable for the decisions he has made, and he has made enough for decisions in a short space of time to be under such scrutiny.

Of course. But any Liverpool fan thinking a younger, slimmer, blonder manager is the answer to the problems is kidding themselves. You've talked for years about Man Utd's squad edging closer to the abyss of actually being quite shit, but for every problem they've got, Liverpool have got one as well. Neither of the historically biggest clubs have found a way to cope with the Abramovich (et al) factor.

Boneyskank wrote:

Catfucker wrote:yep - but the situation is far too complex for tabloid digest, it's not one person's fault it's the perfect storm of a hundred and one factors the majority of which were beyond Hodgson's control.

Nevertheless he can be held accountable for the decisions he has made, and he has made enough for decisions in a short space of time to be under such scrutiny.

Of course. But any Liverpool fan thinking a younger, slimmer, blonder manager is the answer to the problems is kidding themselves. You've talked for years about Man Utd's squad edging closer to the abyss of actually being quite shit, but for every problem they've got, Liverpool have got one as well. Neither of the historically biggest clubs have found a way to cope with the Abramovich (et al) factor.

I would expect Manchester United to struggle similarly should Ferguson leave.

The advantage of a younger, slimmer, better hung manager would be the hope and optimism that it brings. It's still far too early to write off Hodgson but the early signs are worrying in that we are at the bottom of the food chain

Playing well and winning with attractive football
Playing well and winning with ugly football
Playing well with inconsistant results with attractive football
etc
etc
Playing poorly and loosing with ugly football <- You are here

Hope is very important, just ask any American, under Rafa there was hope, there were options on the benhc and he had a proven recent record of success and getting things right eventually.


Loaning out Aquilani ruined any last hope Hodgeon had, all he can do now is use the players he has to make them better, and he will surely do well enough to save us from relegation, but that wasn't why he was employed. Most worryingly with Aquilani gone there aren't really any players waiting in the wings for us to put our hopes on - Agger is the best we;ve got FFS. At least before it was - when Aquilani gets fit, when Torres gets fit etc. Now we have when Babel remembers he's a footballer.

You can still have some hope Meireles and Cole start producing, surely? Very early days for them two

they're already in the team, we need someone who we haven't found out yet - for a while it was Pachekkkko but he's just as daft as the rest of them. Lately it's been Agger, that's how bad it's got.

debaser wrote:You can still have some hope Meireles and Cole start producing, surely? Very early days for them two

Yes but Roy has already admitted he won't be changing his methods

Surely he will because they are failing so miserably but there is no sign of him doing so at the minute

The main reason there is no belief in Hodgson is because he is viewed as short termist. Whether that is fair or not who knows but there is nothing about the way he sets a team up or the signings of his two journeymen for £10m or his previous jobs that suggest he can put in place a successful long term strategy for a club with the expectations of Liverpool. You only have to watch one of his daily press conferences to see how under pressure he is and how tough he is finding all this exposure.

Just out of curiosity, how is Aquilani doing in Italy?

he's visibly ageing at an astonishing rate, like a turbo charged backwards Benjamin Button. Worst case I've seen since Tony Blair invaded Iraq.

Jaime wrote:Just out of curiosity, how is Aquilani doing in Italy?

He was excellent last night. That was the only match I've seen him play but he is clearly impressing enough for the coach to be throwing him in against Inter from the start.