I look at Liverpool's team every area can be weak bar the central midfield, but alonso and gerrard will have off days when they do what chance do liverpool have.
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Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
L r d- Guest
- Post n°121
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Because the team is not good enough to play better than they are consistently. Benitez cannot work magic 38 times out of 38. The group of players do not have enough big players. The team is not close, some people said they would win it not many who were not pool fans. and the ones who spoke about man utd just didnt know ruud like some of us did
I look at Liverpool's team every area can be weak bar the central midfield, but alonso and gerrard will have off days when they do what chance do liverpool have.
I look at Liverpool's team every area can be weak bar the central midfield, but alonso and gerrard will have off days when they do what chance do liverpool have.
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- Post n°122
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Rai Krol wrote:Liverpool have good players
Kuyt, Alonso, Gerrard, Carragher, Riise, Bellamy (he has scored in the EPL before he joined Liverpool, forget his public image on the pitch counts), Reina, Momo (the guy who harassed and dominated Ballack in the Community Shield) etc .. Gerrard being the one close to being 'World Class'.
Before the start of the season; i had Liverpool to be Chelsea's no1 challengers .. because of their signings and their finish of last season and beating Chelsea in the Community Shield (maybe i should never judge a team on one game..)
lets be honest; Manchester United sold RVN (questions were raised; would Man United sign a replacement, instead SAF had faith in Louis Saha .. who showed what a good player he is and then brought in Larsson on loan) and signed Carrick (even though he is a good, potential class player .. United missed out on Hargreaves .. Carrick is a play-maker not a defensive midfielder) to be fair Carrick has been a good addition, next season with Hargreaves maybe he can be pushed to the next level and not have 'too' much defensive burdens on his back .. he has had two notable good games (v Liverpool and v Chelsea at home) OK Obispo says he was average against Liverpool, against Chelsea i would disagree.
I never expected; Scholes and Giggs to have the impact they have done, but these two are LEGENDS and i should have never doubted them. Vidic and Rio to have a good partnership (signs where their at the end of last season ..).
and Ronaldo .. the 'guy' who everyone hated (apart from Manchester United fans) and 'nearly' left, to perform like he has, and hes 'relationship' with Rooney, everyone (especially to Shearer has ended) .. this was dismissed against Fulham on the 1st day of the season.
the real question is: why are they (Liverpool) not challenging Chelsea this season?
Have Liverpool had that many injuries, at one point in this season Manchester United were missing Park and Giggs .. but both recovered quickly .. SAF has highlighted that Manchester United must not have 'many' injuries to have a sustainable challenge for the Premiership.
The press did blame some 'defeats' and dropped points on Rafa's rotations..
Seriously- I think its simple. Squad rotation. The most settled side will win the Premiership.
Not necessarily the one off Cup games, Rafa's squad rotation will mean Liverpool contest on a number of fronts, but they wont win the Premiership that way.
The oracle has once again spoken
Luis- Guest
- Post n°123
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
L r d wrote:Because the team is not good enough to play better than they are consistently. Benitez cannot work magic 38 times out of 38. The group of players do not have enough big players. The team is not close, some people said they would win it not many who were not pool fans. and the ones who spoke about man utd just didnt know ruud like some of us did
I look at Liverpool's team every area can be weak bar the central midfield, but alonso and gerrard will have off days when they do what chance do liverpool have.
what if Ronaldo and Giggs have an off day? you can say that about any club, it's a poor arguement
L r d- Guest
- Post n°124
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Rai Krol wrote:
the real question is: why are they (Liverpool) not challenging Chelsea this season?
A variety of reasons I've gone over several times in the past so won't be doing in detail this time, but here goes:
- Too many new players too quickly. Only now have we reached the United/Chelsea/Arsenal situation of only needing to add one or two first teamers each summer.
- Injuries at the start of the season in key areas.
After the Sheffield United game had finished we'd lost our first choice leftback and a centreback and immediately had to blood in Agger and Aurelio into the defence.
- Difficult fixture list.
It's not enough on it's own to be a problem, as we should be going away to Bolton and picking up points. It does stop any opportunity to build up momentum, however.
- Tiredness.
Euro 2004 plus CL qualifiers
CL qualifiers from round one.
World Cup 2006 plus CL qualifiers.
Gerrard and Co have had basically 3 months rest in 3 years. This summer they should get atleast a couple of months off.
It's no one outstanding reason. Plenty of players have been off form and Benitez has occasionally made mistakes but neither one reason on their own stands out. It's just a collection of things.
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- Post n°125
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Luis wrote:L r d wrote:Because the team is not good enough to play better than they are consistently. Benitez cannot work magic 38 times out of 38. The group of players do not have enough big players. The team is not close, some people said they would win it not many who were not pool fans. and the ones who spoke about man utd just didnt know ruud like some of us did
I look at Liverpool's team every area can be weak bar the central midfield, but alonso and gerrard will have off days when they do what chance do liverpool have.
what if Ronaldo and Giggs have an off day? you can say that about any club, it's a poor arguement
Then rooney and scholes will run the show.
You cant say it about chelsea or man utd and thats why us two are away from the rest. if drogba has a poor day essien lampard might not. robben might save it. then you know sheva might even hit form.
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- Post n°126
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Das Reale Weiss Pele wrote:
Seriously- I think its simple. Squad rotation. The most settled side will win the Premiership.
And yet by the time they beat us on the 22nd of October, Rafa had only made a single change more than Ferguson, who in turn had made a couple more changes than Mourinho.
The main difference is simple - United have Ronaldo, Chelsea have Drogba we have no one. Gerrard's had a poor season all in all by his high standards. Next year we expect improvement. We could do with one other quality player who can do what Ronaldo or Robben does. A player we know we can just hand the ball to and they'll run 50 yards with it and relieve the pressure on defence. Or we know we can give the ball to them and they'll be able to beat their marker 9 times out of 10.
Luis- Guest
- Post n°127
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
If Gerrard has a poor game (against Barca) then Momo and Alonso will run the show.
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- Post n°128
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
You forgot the refs and Al-Qaeda.
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- Post n°129
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
This thread still got legs then.
Has Obi taken his head out of the sand long enough for air yet?
Has Obi taken his head out of the sand long enough for air yet?
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- Post n°130
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Is this the only line you have got spank?Parks lives wrote:
Has Obi taken his head out of the sand long enough for air yet?
Think ive read that about 100 times now
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- Post n°131
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
All I hear from you, Obi etc is all the excuses under the sun and we are a one man team.
Guessing its because you know what effect it had on you, when everyone said Gerrard was your one man team.
Guessing its because you know what effect it had on you, when everyone said Gerrard was your one man team.
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- Post n°132
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
COTR wrote:Is this the only line you have got spank?Parks lives wrote:
Has Obi taken his head out of the sand long enough for air yet?
Think ive read that about 100 times now
Be nice CotR. Just like the team he supports is reliant on one good player, Pip is reliant on one good line. It's understandable.
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- Post n°133
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
[quote="Das Reale Weiss Pele"]
Among other things, the main reason is our lack of attacking flair and technical quality. If you look at the amount of chances we create, and have created for the last three seasons, you'll probably see that we've had one of the worst shot/goal ratios in the league - And we've probably created the most chances in the league.
The amount of squandered opportunities in the average Liverpool game is unbelievable, but we make up for this with our consistent defensive record, and sometimes only need one goal to win a game. People say that liverpool play boring anti-football, but that's based purely on our inability to score goals. We play some nice stuff, and we have some of the best passers in Europe, but we just CANT convert. Neither Cisse or Morientes solved the problem after Owen left, and although Rafa likes the whole team to be involved in every aspect of play, Liverpool is desperately calling out for an out and out striker. Someone to be in the right position in the box, and score.
I personally think we need better wingers on both flanks (when Gerrard's in the centre). Gerrard got into double figures last season from the right, and if we had some similar quality on the left, then we'd score loads of goals.
A goal poacher, and some clinical wingers who are not totally two dimensional. Problem solved for me.
Rai Krol wrote:
the real question is: why are they (Liverpool) not challenging Chelsea this season?
Among other things, the main reason is our lack of attacking flair and technical quality. If you look at the amount of chances we create, and have created for the last three seasons, you'll probably see that we've had one of the worst shot/goal ratios in the league - And we've probably created the most chances in the league.
The amount of squandered opportunities in the average Liverpool game is unbelievable, but we make up for this with our consistent defensive record, and sometimes only need one goal to win a game. People say that liverpool play boring anti-football, but that's based purely on our inability to score goals. We play some nice stuff, and we have some of the best passers in Europe, but we just CANT convert. Neither Cisse or Morientes solved the problem after Owen left, and although Rafa likes the whole team to be involved in every aspect of play, Liverpool is desperately calling out for an out and out striker. Someone to be in the right position in the box, and score.
I personally think we need better wingers on both flanks (when Gerrard's in the centre). Gerrard got into double figures last season from the right, and if we had some similar quality on the left, then we'd score loads of goals.
A goal poacher, and some clinical wingers who are not totally two dimensional. Problem solved for me.
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- Post n°134
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Liverpool are a one man team in that they rely heavily upon Alonso to make them play. Same as us with fabregas. but thats a really stupid argument as all teams will be a bit lost without their playmaker in midfield...
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- Post n°135
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Kevin wrote:Liverpool are a one man team in that they rely heavily upon Alonso to make them play. Same as us with fabregas. but thats a really stupid argument as all teams will be a bit lost without their playmaker in midfield...
Did alright without him yesterday
I agree with you though. The slight difference is that we don't rely on Alonso to beat teams singlehandedly in the same way that you don't rely on Fabregas to do the same. They're just the players who make the teams tick - like Scholes I suppose.
The difference being neither Fabregas or Alonso can just pass to Ronaldo and watch him drag us out of the mire if things aren't going well.
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Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
@ Obsipo
Do you see Ronaldo becoming a future 'World Class' player?
Do you see Ronaldo becoming a future 'World Class' player?
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- Post n°137
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Rai Krol wrote:@ Obsipo
Do you see Ronaldo becoming a future 'World Class' player?
He already is I suppose. Even if he isn't, he'll definitely become one. I've never said any different. I remember arguing with Tweedle and TRWP saying that Ronaldo would be better than Rooney if he moved to anywhere outside the premiership, now he is inside it
His only flaw is that he's been poor in Europe and big games, atleast statistically. You'd expect a World Class player to perform better. But then again, he's singlehandedly dragging you to a league title so for me to say he isn't World Class would be stupid.
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Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Your right his European performance must improve, internationally and domestically hes on the right path.
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- Post n°139
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Obispo wrote:Rai Krol wrote:@ Obsipo
Do you see Ronaldo becoming a future 'World Class' player?
He already is I suppose. Even if he isn't, he'll definitely become one. I've never said any different. I remember arguing with Tweedle and TRWP saying that Ronaldo would be better than Rooney if he moved to anywhere outside the premiership, now he is inside it
His only flaw is that he's been poor in Europe and big games, atleast statistically. You'd expect a World Class player to perform better. But then again, he's singlehandedly dragging you to a league title so for me to say he isn't World Class would be stupid.
True, but you still argue even now that Rooney is shit, despite the fact he's scored 12 and assisted 13 this season. And the spread of assists and goals at United statistically disproves the theory that United are anything but a one man team
You also discredit the work your Welsh compatriot has done this season- yes his form has dipped, but he is still a player who can take the ball 50 yards, has scored important goals and earlier on in the season was on fire.
The Ronaldo one man team jibe has no legs when you consider no team could win the Premiership these days relying on one player. It was your argument after all that stated the Premiership today is simply too competitive with the standards that Benitez, Mourinho, and Abramovich's millions have brought in
Good to see Bolton recieve a thrashing today, hopefully ending any potential CL talk
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- Post n°140
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Das Reale Weiss Pele wrote:
Good to see Bolton recieve a thrashing today, hopefully ending any potential CL talk
Ridiculous that it was ever considered in the first place. Would have been as big an embaressment as Everton in Europe were.
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Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
Great thread this....
I just wanted to say that while there's 7 pages of "discussing" the midfields, O'Shea hasn't even been mentioned once and was forgotten from the original list.
I just wanted to say that while there's 7 pages of "discussing" the midfields, O'Shea hasn't even been mentioned once and was forgotten from the original list.
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- Post n°142
Re: Liverpool Vs United (MIDFIELD)
O'Shea > Sissoko.
There you go, he's been mentioned.
There you go, he's been mentioned.
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