Platt depressed about England's future

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/04/07/sfnwin07.xml

very long article; note there are 3 pages + comments

enough material for 10 different threads, but there we go

enjoy

To my surprise I have to agree with the perma-grinning twerp:


"We have been harping on for ages that these [England] players are great in the Champions League, and then we see greatness in sporadic intervals with England. I take Gerrard out of that because he is phenomenal.''

that's all you Englanders have to say ????

wow, you really have given up on the Lions it seems

How depressing can the future be when Englands u21's spanked their German counterparts and played Italy off the park at Wembley for 60 minutes?

No one gives a f*ck about David Platt, or indeed all this talk about England. Its at the major competitions where criticism or praise will count

disagree, bernd

you WOULD expect the English U-21 to play for their lives

it was the first match at Wembley; they still could not win

the German U-21 was missing MANY now "senior" players

besides, we lost because Castro, a Spanish traitor, missed his penalty

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still, Platt is concerned BIG TIME; ditto Henry Winter, one of England's biggest hypers

that should be cause for concern

even worse, whereas Platt understands that something has to happen, he still believes the Lampard, Cashley... hype and would include them in his first eleven

Hargreaves he just throws out

in other words, one of the few Englanders who understands the gravity of the situation, is still HYPING the lambs LIKE MAD

England are in serious trouble

Otto der Schweinehund wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/04/07/sfnwin07.xml

very long article; note there are 3 pages + comments

enough material for 10 different threads, but there we go

enjoy

I'd better read Telegraph more often. I usually read The Times and Guardian.

I don't think anyone really cares Otto. Yes, England are shit at the moment, but which international team is really good??? Most of the football being played at the world cup was shit.

As clubs become more powerful international football will DIE, it's already well on it's way in England and Spain, and i'm sure other major nations will follow.

If you hadn't mentioned David Platt's name at all in this thread, maybe more people would be interested. As it is, no one cares because he's a fucking tosser of the highest order.

Kimbo wrote:I don't think anyone really cares Otto. Yes, England are shit at the moment, but which international team is really good??? Most of the football being played at the world cup was shit.

As clubs become more powerful international football will DIE, it's already well on it's way in England and Spain, and i'm sure other major nations will follow.

Your avatar.

"Frustration permeates Platt's view of the current underperforming England team because he points admiringly to virtuosos such as Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney and Michael Owen.[/b] "You can't tell me that the Italy team that won the World Cup had players who, pound for pound, were better than ours as individuals,'' says Platt"[b]

It seems like every English commentator has to say this just to get people to pay attention.

Frankly though the whole article is a red herring. I don't think England is producing enough talent, but the team isn't reaching its' potential level anyway. He's right to criticize the youth program - but the squads he suggests are symptomatic of the problems that will stop us from making the most of what we get.

Anyway, as mentioned above, most people have noticed the rubbishness by now. It won't kill international football, and its not a permanent state of affairs - just a pile of boring games.

@kimbo

trust me, Germany, Italy and Brazil will ALWAYS stay in love with their national teams; ditto Argentina and Holland

if you want to bail out then why build the mighty Wembley ?

by the way; soon Germany will have another boxing World Champion: chap called STURM

@ zen

the FA had performance predictions; MANY of them were vastly overambitious

in other words; the overhype starts right at the top with the FA

serious stuff

@ puro

Henry Winter is usually SHITE; in this case he merely reports

the Telegraph also has Hansen and Lineker as columinsts

ditto a chap called Barclay: all complete morons

don't hold your breath

@ Otto

If you hate the English press, why read it ?

Otto, The Times is going down in its reporting, and only McIlvanney is quality. The Guardian can be good at times, same goes for The Independent. I didn't know Telegraph was usually crap. Thanks for the info.

Otto der Schweinehund wrote:

@ zen

the FA had performance predictions; MANY of them were vastly overambitious

in other words; the overhype starts right at the top with the FA

serious stuff

Indeed. The fact that they had John "The new Steven Gerrard" Welsh down as a future international is rather disturbing actually.

Nevertheless; Platt is a tosspot.

Otto der Schweinehund wrote:
trust me, Germany, Italy and Brazil will ALWAYS stay in love with their national teams; ditto Argentina and Holland

?!

You failed to notice that 3/4 of the Dutchies on this board *hate* the current Oranje ?

The general consensus in Holland is about the same...

Otto der Schweinehund wrote:@kimbo

trust me, Germany, Italy and Brazil will ALWAYS stay in love with their national teams; ditto Argentina and Holland

if you want to bail out then why build the mighty Wembley ?

by the way; soon Germany will have another boxing World Champion: chap called STURM

Maybe maybe not, it doesn't change the fact that in England alot of football fans just don't care, all they care about is there clubs - same goes for the players.


Sturm? Christ you're scraping the barrel, the guy he's fighting has already knocked the shit out of him once. And by the way, it's not the REAL middleweight belt they're figting for, it's just one of the micky mouse alphabet titles. Jermaine Taylor holds the proper belt.

Otto der Schweinehund wrote:disagree, bernd

you WOULD expect the English U-21 to play for their lives

it was the first match at Wembley; they still could not win

the German U-21 was missing MANY now "senior" players

besides, we lost because Castro, a Spanish traitor, missed his penalty

---------

still, Platt is concerned BIG TIME; ditto Henry Winter, one of England's biggest hypers

that should be cause for concern

even worse, whereas Platt understands that something has to happen, he still believes the Lampard, Cashley... hype and would include them in his first eleven

Hargreaves he just throws out

in other words, one of the few Englanders who understands the gravity of the situation, is still HYPING the lambs LIKE MAD

England are in serious trouble

What you have just done is hit the nail on the head, but totally unintentionally.

When the England side is ready to play a tournament, the hype machine goes into overdrive.

When England are struggling a little in the qualifiers, the criticism machine goes into overdrive.

Nobody likes a balanced opinion- it doesnt sell papers.

England are neither as good OR bad as either would have you believe.

I note how, with almost boyish glee, you jump upon quoting and championing the criticism, yet rubbish the overinflated hype - the source is still the same so its either a load of crap or its not, it cant be both reliable and unreliable.

Your excuses for the u21 mauling versus the 3 lambs is hilarious- England were missing Ashton, Bent, Lennon, Foster for a start, hell even Rooney could have played.

And 3-3 versus the Italians , who are the most successful u21 nation in Europe shows anything but problems with the new crop, especially the long periods of domination.

The period when the u21's were the most unsuccessful was, suprise suprise, when Platt was manager

Platt's right. What we need are more average midfielders from the midlands who constantly grin like they're on E, score one decent goal in an international tournament, get ridiculously overhyped, transfer to Italy for megabucks and then do fuck all for the rest of their careers before they get on the England coaching gravy train.