When will billionaires buy the Bundesliga clubs

it's rather bizarre that the biggest, best and richest football country in Europe has one the poorest and most underfinanced leagues

even France has overtaken us in terms of TV money generated

yet Bundesliga fans flock into the stadia like nowhere on earth, before heading back home to watch everything again on TV

the Sportschau is far more iconic and interesting than Match of the Day as a result (for instance)

NO MONEY = NO TOP INTERNATIONAL STARS = not really competitive

UNLESS, the clubs are better run than their European counterparts , with a better scouting system and better youth academies whose producets get a serious chance to become REGULARS

none of this is given

which raises the question: when will potential investors be allowed to buy 50%+ of a club's shares

at the moment there is a 49% limit

according to Forbes Magazine Germany has more Billionaires than ANY OTHER country except the USA (Russia is catching up fast though)

one of the SAP Software founders has already invested into a club near Heidelberg and led it into the 2. League

the Austrian Red Bull Billionaire is interested in buying Leipzig or Duesseldorf where brand new super-arenas are already in place

and so it continues

the only downside would be for the fans: at the moment German football belongs to them; ticket prices reflect this; when Cologne fans were disappointed about not getting promoted, the club president send a letter of apology to over 30.000 registered fans (signed by hand)

is German football ready for Billionaires

I'm not sure

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/sport/bundesliga/2007/06/25/milliardaere-bosse-bundesliga/investoren-klubs-interesse.html

Winning a U21 tournement does miricles to your league!! All you need is talent, then the billionaires will follow.

W.G.

Darling wrote:

it's rather bizarre that the biggest, best and richest football country in Europe has one the poorest and most underfinanced leagues

Stop Smoking crack cocaine FFS !

Darling, no one speaks German.

@chaps

let's get real

Germany does not even need American investors

Germany has nearly 50 Billionaires already

add a few Swiss and Austrians, and it's still in the GermanoPHONE family

add institutional investors like Regional Banks and Bob's your uncle

the overall price of a Bundesliga club would be much lower than in the EPL anyway

ie, you don't need Billionaires at all

hey, I think Heidelberg Student Union could already afford to buy Mainz or Aachen

and then we come to those peski FOREIGNERS

the German market is the BIGGEST in EUrope: add wealth to a big population (80 million to England's 49 million) and you get the drift

Gazprom, the biggest energy supplier in the world would glady buy over 50% of Schalke

many of those Russian billionaires are former soldiers or spies, just like Putin who was based in Dresden and speaks perfect German with Merkel

as for other countries: the reason why the Iranian investment consortium has sold the Brazilian to HSV rather than to Sporting Lissabon is because they want to get their foot into the German market

then you have other Middle-EAst billionaire investors

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story; travel to the region as a German and embarrassement will follow immediately; lot's of Congratualtions on AH

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every German speaks English

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the EPL will soon be underfinanced in comparison to the BUndesliga

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story

What did the Nazis do , for the Arabs to show gratitude ?

Johanne Maximus XIV wrote:

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story

What did the Nazis do , for the Arabs to show gratitude ?

Jew stuff.

Johanne Maximus XIV wrote:

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story

What did the Nazis do , for the Arabs to show gratitude ?

using a lot of oil and building Autobahns to ensure future oil consumption

ErGaatNietsBovenGroningen wrote:

Johanne Maximus XIV wrote:

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story

What did the Nazis do , for the Arabs to show gratitude ?

using a lot of oil and building Autobahns to ensure future oil consumption

Or that

Johanne Maximus XIV wrote:

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story

What did the Nazis do , for the Arabs to show gratitude ?

Bloody good question rai! Lets ask fey that one.

..And there were lots of Arabs in the SS

Kimbo wrote:

Johanne Maximus XIV wrote:

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story

What did the Nazis do , for the Arabs to show gratitude ?

Bloody good question rai! Lets ask fey that one.

Feel free to ask Fey

When will billionaires buy the Bundesliga clubs

When you stop playing, what did you call it yourself : "Rumpelfussball" ?

Rampvoetbal sounds like what it is !

Jullie Duitsers moeten eens ophouden met denken dat voetbal een hardloopwedstrijd is, een beetje kunnen ballen maakt het al snel aantrekkelijker

by the way, Puro

I think MANY Americans would not mind buying Bundesliga clubs at all

as you know only too well, Americans tend to think themselves as "ethnic Chinese, Irish, Italians..."

I've met Americans introducing themselves as "I'm Norwegian"

when I asked them to say "peanut-butter-sandwich" in Norwegian then tended to look slightly lost

in a nutshell

there are many Germans in America

they tend to answer to names like Hilton, Trump, Heinz, Astor, Rockefeller, Bruckheimer, Rumsfeld, Kissinger...

40 million Euro for Werder Bremen is pocket-money for them

guys like Lerner (Aston Villa) or Kroenke (Arsenal) sound very Teutonic to me

our clubs would be snapped up in a week tops

the question is, would the fans be in favour

...and yet we had a Dutch president in the US!!!! Beat that Jarmans!

Fey wrote:...and yet we had a Dutch president in the US!!!! Beat that Jarmans!

EisenHAUER

Lots of German names in South America too

Damn, must be a great country : no one wants to stay.

...oh wait : that's of course the job of the Poles, Iranians and Ghaneans

Why should we make our league a playground for foreign billionaires/investors? Only to pay the players and their agents even more ridiculous high sums in the end?

No! We might not have the best league in the world, but at least it´s still our own.

chrissicross wrote:Why should we make our league a playground for foreign billionaires/investors? Only to pay the players and their agents even more ridiculous high sums in the end?

No! We might not have the best league in the world, but at least it´s still our own.

Johanne Maximus XIV wrote:

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story

What did the Nazis do , for the Arabs to show gratitude ?

Well the Germans did dump the 'Jew problem' onto the Middle East. No Holocaust = No Israel. Previous to the European colonial meddling there was no significant anti-Jew problem in the Ottoman's Arabia.

shazlx wrote:

Johanne Maximus XIV wrote:

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story

What did the Nazis do , for the Arabs to show gratitude ?

Well the Germans did dump the 'Jew problem' onto the Middle East. No Holocaust = No Israel. Previous to the European colonial meddling there was no significant anti-Jew problem in the Ottoman's Arabia.

Nope the English did. They allowed the Jews to push the Arabs aside (Balfour declaration & what followed), the Germans had nothing to do with that.

Zionism & the Balfour declaration predate WW II by decades. Palestine was an English protectorate since WW I.

wikiquote.

The first is the Balfour Declaration of 1917: An official letter from the British Foreign Office headed by Arthur Balfour, the UK's Foreign Secretary (from December 1916 to October 1919), to Lord Rothschild, who was seen as a representative of the Jewish people . The letter stated that the British government "view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".

The English ruled Palestine until 1948 and deliberately forgot about the second bit in bold.

chrissicross wrote:Why should we make our league a playground for foreign billionaires/investors? Only to pay the players and their agents even more ridiculous high sums in the end?

No! We might not have the best league in the world, but at least it´s still our own.

Not everything should be for sale.

jonathan de guzman wrote:

shazlx wrote:

Johanne Maximus XIV wrote:

bear in mind that many Arabs feel a great gratitude to Germany for what the Nazis did during WW2: true story

What did the Nazis do , for the Arabs to show gratitude ?

Well the Germans did dump the 'Jew problem' onto the Middle East. No Holocaust = No Israel. Previous to the European colonial meddling there was no significant anti-Jew problem in the Ottoman's Arabia.

Nope the English did. They allowed the Jews to push the Arabs aside (Balfour declaration & what followed), the Germans had nothing to do with that.

Zionism & the Balfour declaration predate WW II by decades. Palestine was an English protectorate since WW I.

wikiquote.

The first is the Balfour Declaration of 1917: An official letter from the British Foreign Office headed by Arthur Balfour, the UK's Foreign Secretary (from December 1916 to October 1919), to Lord Rothschild, who was seen as a representative of the Jewish people . The letter stated that the British government "view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".

The English ruled Palestine until 1948 and deliberately forgot about the second bit in bold.

Of course I know this. But there would be no major support for a Jewish state if the holocaust did not happen. Pre-holocaust, Zionism was a minority ideology with the Jewish community. The holocaust gave the Zionists a great propaganda tool and allowed them to gain support from Jews who were not Zionists and guilty Europeans.

German football is nearly as poor as the Eredivise

take a look at this

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1382243.html

Bremen have yet to get a new face; they play in the CL , but have only 6 million EURO available



Schalke have 7 million Euro at their disposal

and Stuttgart have spent nearly 3 million already ; another 10 million are available for transfers

ie German CHAMPIONS STuttgart have a transfer kitty of 13 million Euro or less than 9 million POUNDS



we might as well call ourselves

DUITSE EREDIVISIE

frankly, to compete internationally, we NEED MONEY

Darling wrote:

frankly, to compete internationally, we NEED TALENT

Ah well, maybe in 15 years time then...

ErGaatNietsBovenGroningen wrote:

Darling wrote:

frankly, to compete internationally, we NEED TALENT

Ah well, maybe in 15 years time then...

true true

everybody knows know that what the Bundesliga needs are the "next van Bastens"

but bear in mind that even "Arbeitstier" Kuyt costs over 10 million POUNDS

ie: about the amount of money Stuttgart and Bremen could AFFORD TOGETHER PER YEAR

the Bundesliga does not need any more "Ackergaeule", they need " Kuenstler"

in other words, a proper TALENT, on the international market, costs £15 million at least, more realistically, £20+ though

there are two solutions to this problem

a) the Bundesliga has to step up its youth development, and more importantly, LET THEM PLAY ; there is no point to talent conveyor belts when the end products is immediately chucked into the bin simply because there is more to come (see the Troch)

b) we need to get more money into the league; why don't the Albrecht brothers buy a club each

Bremen would then be renamed : "Werder Aldi Nord"

and Stuttgart could become "VfB Aldi Sued"

Well, it's either huge attendances with low ticket prices, or more money (ie. having to raise ticket prices). Take your pick Otto, which would you like to make more threads about

Darling wrote:

it's rather bizarre that the biggest, best and richest football country in Europe has one the poorest and most underfinanced leagues

even France has overtaken us in terms of TV money generated

yet Bundesliga fans flock into the stadia like nowhere on earth, before heading back home to watch everything again on TV

the Sportschau is far more iconic and interesting than Match of the Day as a result (for instance)

NO MONEY = NO TOP INTERNATIONAL STARS = not really competitive

UNLESS, the clubs are better run than their European counterparts , with a better scouting system and better youth academies whose producets get a serious chance to become REGULARS

none of this is given

which raises the question: when will potential investors be allowed to buy 50%+ of a club's shares

at the moment there is a 49% limit

according to Forbes Magazine Germany has more Billionaires than ANY OTHER country except the USA (Russia is catching up fast though)

one of the SAP Software founders has already invested into a club near Heidelberg and led it into the 2. League

the Austrian Red Bull Billionaire is interested in buying Leipzig or Duesseldorf where brand new super-arenas are already in place

and so it continues

the only downside would be for the fans: at the moment German football belongs to them; ticket prices reflect this; when Cologne fans were disappointed about not getting promoted, the club president send a letter of apology to over 30.000 registered fans (signed by hand)

is German football ready for Billionaires

I'm not sure

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/sport/bundesliga/2007/06/25/milliardaere-bosse-bundesliga/investoren-klubs-interesse.html

What does having Billionaires matter?

English is the international language, hence why it can be a commercial capital for the orgin of football.

Where as German, probably something to do with 2 world wars in the last century makes them considerably less commerical.

You reap what you sew.

What an advertisement
No money, no players, $h!t clubs - watch the Bundesliga !

Darling wrote:
b) we need to get more money into the league; why don't the Albrecht brothers buy a club each

Bremen would then be renamed : "Werder Aldi Nord"

and Stuttgart could become "VfB Aldi Sued"

Actually funny Otto.