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    Capello Fired ?

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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:53 pm

    Radio Marca has just announced that Fabio Capello & all his team have been fired. This will be made public tomorrow (Thursday) during the board meeting.

    Ciao Fabio, Guten Tag Bernd Very Happy
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    Post by Fey Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:54 pm

    Schuster to take it over then....I have a feeling Otto will be supporting Real next season Very Happy
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    Post by Luis Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:54 pm

    win the league and your fired, dont win it and your fired
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    Post by Torrente Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:56 pm

    I guess I'm still in favor of firing him, but the more I think about it the more nervous I get about the prospect of Capello leaving. Especially since it will be Schuster who replaces him and there are no guarantees he will succeed. If we had Hiddink or Ancelotti lined up I would be happy, but we've only been linked with inexperienced coaches so far.

    What about you LSR, are you in favor of Capello leaving? Don't rememer you posting much about that.
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:59 pm

    Luis wrote:win the league and your fired, dont win it and your fired

    Its not all about winning, its the style of play. Everyone was tired of his boring unattractive football, and yes we won the league, but look at the way we won it, on goal difference between Barça, had we been in England Barça would have been campeones.
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    Post by Fey Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:00 pm

    You guys not affraid you are doing another Heynkes/Del Bosque?
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:06 pm

    Torrente wrote:I guess I'm still in favor of firing him, but the more I think about it the more nervous I get about the prospect of Capello leaving. Especially since it will be Schuster who replaces him and there are no guarantees he will succeed. If we had Hiddink or Ancelotti lined up I would be happy, but we've only been linked with inexperienced coaches so far.

    What about you LSR, are you in favor of Capello leaving? Don't rememer you posting much about that.

    I'm not 100% convinced about Schuster being the right man for the job but to be honest anything is better than another season of Capello ! I just wouldnt be able to handle another season with Capello. Yes we won the league but at what price ? We played the worst football in years, and that's saying alot considering our past managers.
    We will have to be patient (which we are not good at) and give the new manager time to settle in and give him some breathing room.
    It was just dreadful to watch us play at home against inferior teams and just sit back and defend, we cant have that happen again. At least Schuster`s footballing ideas fit in with the clubs, his teams always want the ball and play attractive football something we have been dying to see at the Bernabeu !
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:09 pm

    If this backfires we can always have some elections Razz
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    Post by Torrente Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:10 pm

    Fey wrote:You guys not affraid you are doing another Heynkes/Del Bosque?

    I'm definitely afraid. But I think it could be even worse if Capello stays. We played some awful stuff this year and I don't think players like Robinho, Higuain, and Cicinho will not shine the way they could if Capello stays.

    Also, the lineup that Capello used against Mallorca, our biggest game of the season, summed up Capello for me. Diarra and Emerson in the center of midfield (no creativit), Ruud and Raul in attack (no pace), and Salgado and Becks in the right wing (no pace + Salgado is $h!t).

    I just get the feeling that Capello just doesn't get Real Madrid, despite the fact that he's won the league with us twice in 2 tries. A big advantage for us winning the league this year, despite the fact that Barca had a slump, is the fact that we got kicked out of Europe and the Copa Del Rey very early. It was a similar situation when he won the league with us 10 years ago, when we weren't playing in the CL.

    But of course, there are enough similarities with the Del Bosque case. Not only that Capello would be fired after winning the league, but that an inexperienced coach will probably replace him. I don't think firing Del Bosque would have been so devastating if we had gotten a good coach to replace him, and instead we got Queiroz.

    But there's some big differences between firing Del Bosque and firing Capello. First of all, everyone loved Del Bosque - the fans, the players, etc. Second, we played amazing football with Del Bosque and although he was perhaps somewhat lacking on the tactical side (a bit like Rijkaard), he understood Real Madrid and the way the team is meant to play.
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    Post by Super Progress Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:15 pm

    i wouldnt mind capello leaving at all. because now we can afford a season without trophies. now we can actually build something for the future. shuster would be a fine choice and even though he doesnt have experience with big clubs im fine with it and i would even prefer even more inexperienced laudrup. for me it is the values that shuster has that fits well. his teams try to play attacking but also working which fits perfect for me.
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    Post by Torrente Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:15 pm

    La Saeta Rubia wrote:
    Torrente wrote:I guess I'm still in favor of firing him, but the more I think about it the more nervous I get about the prospect of Capello leaving. Especially since it will be Schuster who replaces him and there are no guarantees he will succeed. If we had Hiddink or Ancelotti lined up I would be happy, but we've only been linked with inexperienced coaches so far.

    What about you LSR, are you in favor of Capello leaving? Don't rememer you posting much about that.

    I'm not 100% convinced about Schuster being the right man for the job but to be honest anything is better than another season of Capello ! I just wouldnt be able to handle another season with Capello. Yes we won the league but at what price ? We played the worst football in years, and that's saying alot considering our past managers.
    We will have to be patient (which we are not good at) and give the new manager time to settle in and give him some breathing room.
    It was just dreadful to watch us play at home against inferior teams and just sit back and defend, we cant have that happen again. At least Schuster`s footballing ideas fit in with the clubs, his teams always want the ball and play attractive football something we have been dying to see at the Bernabeu !

    I agree. I just can't bear to watch us play with 2 DMs and to struggle against Cr@p opposition in the Bernabeu.

    It must be said though that we at least always played well against the big teams and that we had some amazing comebacks this season. I don't remember seeing so many comebacks by our team since ironically, the previous season where Capello coached us. Capello seems to have the gift of convincing all the players that anything is possible during a game.
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    Post by Torrente Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:20 pm

    supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i wouldnt mind capello leaving at all. because now we can afford a season without trophies. now we can actually build something for the future. shuster would be a fine choice and even though he doesnt have experience with big clubs im fine with it and i would even prefer even more inexperienced laudrup. for me it is the values that shuster has that fits well. his teams try to play attacking but also working which fits perfect for me.

    Schuster's teams play well, but we have to keep things in perspective. They haven't played as attacking as some of the press claims. He basically relegated Levante and this year Getafe was the lowest scoring team in La Liga after Nastic I believe.

    Of course, he should do much better in Madrid with all those players at his disposal. He also played for us in the past and I'm sure he understands exactly what the club and the fans want. I am still doubtful over him though.

    And let's not forget, he's a Barca socio Laughing
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:22 pm

    Torrente wrote:
    Fey wrote:You guys not affraid you are doing another Heynkes/Del Bosque?

    I'm definitely afraid. But I think it could be even worse if Capello stays. We played some awful stuff this year and I don't think players like Robinho, Higuain, and Cicinho will not shine the way they could if Capello stays.

    Also, the lineup that Capello used against Mallorca, our biggest game of the season, summed up Capello for me. Diarra and Emerson in the center of midfield (no creativit), Ruud and Raul in attack (no pace), and Salgado and Becks in the right wing (no pace + Salgado is $h!t).

    I just get the feeling that Capello just doesn't get Real Madrid, despite the fact that he's won the league with us twice in 2 tries. A big advantage for us winning the league this year, despite the fact that Barca had a slump, is the fact that we got kicked out of Europe and the Copa Del Rey very early. It was a similar situation when he won the league with us 10 years ago, when we weren't playing in the CL.

    But of course, there are enough similarities with the Del Bosque case. Not only that Capello would be fired after winning the league, but that an inexperienced coach will probably replace him. I don't think firing Del Bosque would have been so devastating if we had gotten a good coach to replace him, and instead we got Queiroz.

    But there's some big differences between firing Del Bosque and firing Capello. First of all, everyone loved Del Bosque - the fans, the players, etc. Second, we played amazing football with Del Bosque and although he was perhaps somewhat lacking on the tactical side (a bit like Rijkaard), he understood Real Madrid and the way the team is meant to play.

    This key, the person who gets the job (Schuster) must understand that, if they do then they will have half the job done.

    Also i agree that playing the 2 def mids during most games was just not on, it was bloody embarrassing ffs.
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:31 pm

    no FLAIR manager can guarantee you trophies

    boring, pragmatic , defensive guys like Capello, Hiddink, Stevens and Ancelotti (to some extent) can, with the right material

    strangely, Mourinho cannot, under ANY circumstances Shocked

    If you go for SChuster you are in for a gamble

    not because he is inexperienced (he's not at all), but because he is German, ie he needs to entertain (Magath is the exception)

    what makes Schuster a slight gamble, apart from his committment to German flair, is his character

    he is very outspoken, does not take any bullshit, and as one of the greatest footballers ever he is happy to berate others, including people in authority (yes , probably also at Real)

    this is could ruffle a few egos in the locker-room, bearing in mind that everything he says will be magnified by AS and others

    still, IF you don't want SChuster, don't worry

    the Guardian and Independent football correspondents have said that in the case of Capello's sacking the first choice or most likely replacement would be Wenger; none of the two English "quality" papers even mentioned SChuster

    lol!

    to the anti-Schuster fans this is good news

    to people who rely on English newspapers this is bad news

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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:33 pm

    what would Schuster's influence be on new appointments:?:


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    Post by Machiavel Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:33 pm

    I thought Getafe came out yesterday saying Schuster aint going nowhere

    If he does join Real Madrid , will he have 1 season to prove himself ?
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:35 pm

    La Saeta Rubia wrote:
    Luis wrote:win the league and your fired, dont win it and your fired

    Its not all about winning, its the style of play. Everyone was tired of his boring unattractive football, and yes we won the league, but look at the way we won it, on goal difference between Barça, had we been in England Barça would have been campeones.

    Chelsea take note
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    Post by Torrente Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:35 pm

    @Darling

    If that's the case with Schuster, then I think it's great. If anything, my fear is that Schuster wouldn't have the balls to make some tough decisions and to stamp his authority in the locker room due to him never having coached a big team before.

    And for the love of God, NO WENGER. That would be an awful choice.
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    Post by Torrente Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:37 pm

    Darling wrote:what would Schuster's influence be on new appointments:?:

    If there's one thing Calderon has done well, is that he's left all sporting decisions to Mijatovic and Capello. I would expect him to do the same for Schuster, so that shouldn't be a problem.

    Expect of course with Kaka. Calderon will keep his crusade no matter what Schuster, Mijatovic, his mother, or the pope say.
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    Post by Mexicanbecks Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:45 pm

    Johannes wrote:I thought Getafe came out yesterday saying Schuster aint going nowhere

    If he does join Real Madrid , will he have 1 season to prove himself ?

    getafe said they would like to keep him
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:50 pm

    I think the players , even the big egos , would respect Schuster a lot

    let's face it , nobody in the team is as good as Bernd was

    even as a manager at Cologne in his late 30s or early 40s he could still do things with a ball none of the players could

    but I as said , Schuster is NOT diplomatic

    he just told Sportbild: " everybody on the Real board has a different opinion of what should happen next. that's the kind of picture they present. I cannot just stand here and wait until somebody has the time to talk to me. I'm off on holiday. They know where to reach me"

    http://www.sportbild.de/sportbild/generated/article/fussball/2007/06/26/6511300000.html

    he also feels that Capello winning the title has not made the job easier and that NOT winning the title would mean he might have to go

    he also makes it sound as if the Bayern job (now taken) is even bigger than the REal one and would be completely un-turn-downable

    you get the impression he feels Real are a bit unstable, like a tempestuous if exciting DIVA

    the Paris Hilton of the football world

    @torrente

    why would not not want to have Wenger Question

    is anybody seriously talking about him at Real Question
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    Post by chrissicross Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:57 pm

    With Schuster and Metzelder, Real Madrid will get a lot of attention here in Germany...
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:06 am

    Torrente wrote:
    supermadrid(zizou legend) wrote:i wouldnt mind capello leaving at all. because now we can afford a season without trophies. now we can actually build something for the future. shuster would be a fine choice and even though he doesnt have experience with big clubs im fine with it and i would even prefer even more inexperienced laudrup. for me it is the values that shuster has that fits well. his teams try to play attacking but also working which fits perfect for me.

    Schuster's teams play well, but we have to keep things in perspective. They haven't played as attacking as some of the press claims. He basically relegated Levante and this year Getafe was the lowest scoring team in La Liga after Nastic I believe.

    Of course, he should do much better in Madrid with all those players at his disposal. He also played for us in the past and I'm sure he understands exactly what the club and the fans want. I am still doubtful over him though.

    And let's not forget, he's a Barca socio Laughing
    well like the good laudrup said getafes goalscoring record doesnt show the real picture and there is a good reason for that. over the seasons a already strapt for quality players have lost some good attacking ones. and a team that will try to play attacking has to have good attackers esp if they are a small club like getafe. to be honest i cant think of anything that would count against getting shuster. maybe because he is so outspoken allthough that is a thing i like so i would be fine with it.
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    Post by fcb Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:09 am

    chrissicross wrote:With Schuster and Metzelder, Real Madrid will get a lot of attention here in Germany...

    We got England and France (and Italy with Zambrotta + maybe Chivu) all locked up Smile
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:09 am

    kas wrote:
    chrissicross wrote:With Schuster and Metzelder, Real Madrid will get a lot of attention here in Germany...

    We got England and France (and Italy with Zambrotta + maybe Chivu) all locked up Smile

    England ?
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    Post by fcb Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:12 am

    Henry. Arsenal fans will automatically keep track, and some of them will buy the shirt too Smile

    And don't forget all the Henry haters on this board. They need something to keep writing about. This transfer is their dream, because he's moving to the biggest pitch in the world Laughing
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    Post by Machiavel Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:13 am

    kas wrote:Henry. Arsenal fans will automatically keep track, and some of them will buy the shirt too Smile

    ah yeah ; Barcelona even without Henry moving , do have a lot of respect in England and worldwide with their philosophy of 'pure attacking and at times sexy football'

    Gullit is even a fan !

    I will be buying a Barcelona shirt

    Number 14 .. and Henry's name wont be on the back
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    Post by Cesc Soler Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:15 am

    Thierry Henry signing will pull in the English viewers as Becks has now left.

    Of course people will still watch Spainsh football on a Sunday because of the star studded teams and listen to Gullium Balague talk about the various politics around the clubs like 'Barthelona' and Real Madrid.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:16 am

    kas wrote:Henry. Arsenal fans will automatically keep track, and some of them will buy the shirt too Smile

    And don't forget all the Henry haters on this board. They need something to keep writing about. This transfer is their dream, because he's moving to the biggest pitch in the world Laughing

    I guess Henry's transfer is a godsend for Skysport's La Liga coverage. Henry and Barca will fill the loss in interest caused by Beckham's departure.
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