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    Post by blutgraetsche Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:59 pm

    Today (June 30th 2007), the 2006/2007 Bundesliga season officially ends, the right moment to start a new Werder thread for the upcoming season.


    So far, the following players have joined our squad this season:

    Hugo Almeida (FC Porto, 3.5m EUR)
    Nico Pellatz (Hertha BSC, free)
    Kevin Schindler (own youth)
    Kevin Artmann (own youth)
    Martin Harnik (own youth)


    These players were on a loan and are back, but could leave us soon:

    Francis Banecki (Eintracht Braunschweig, probably loaned out again)
    John Jairo Mosquera (SV Wacker Burghausen, probably loaned out again)
    Leon Andreasen (1.FSV Mainz 05, probably sold)


    The following players have left us:

    Miroslav Klose (FC Bayern München, 12m EUR + 3-5m EUR)
    Andreas Reinke (unknown, free)
    Kasper Jensen (FC Carl Zeiss Jena, free)
    Jérôme Polenz (Alemannia Aachen, 200.000 EUR)


    This is how our squad looks like now:

    Code:

    +---------------------+----+----------+-----+-------------+
    |      Name          | No.| Position | Age | Nationality |
    +---------------------+----+----------+-----+-------------+
    | Nico Pellatz        |  1 |  Goalie |  20 |      German |
    | Tim Wiese          | 18 |  Goalie |  25 |      German |
    | Christian Vander    | 33 |  Goalie |  26 |      German |
    | Petri Pasanen      |  3 |  Defence |  26 |        Finn |
    | Naldo              |  4 |  Defence |  24 |  Brazilian |
    | Pierre Womé        |  5 |  Defence |  28 | Cameroonian |
    | Clemens Fritz      |  8 |  Defence |  26 |      German |
    | Patrick Owomoyela  | 15 |  Defence |  27 |      German |
    | Florian Mohr        | 26 |  Defence |  22 |      German |
    | Christian Schulz    | 27 |  Defence |  24 |      German |
    | Per Mertesacker    | 29 |  Defence |  22 |      German |
    | Peter Niemeyer      | 25 |  Defence |  23 |      German |
    | Leon Andreasen      | 16 | Midfield |  24 |        Dane |
    | Frank Baumann      |  6 | Midfield |  31 |      German |
    | Jurica Vranjes      |  7 | Midfield |  27 |      Croat |
    | Diego              | 10 | Midfield |  22 |  Brazilian |
    | Daniel Jensen      | 20 | Midfield |  28 |        Dane |
    | Torsten Frings      | 22 | Midfield |  30 |      German |
    | Tim Borowski        | 24 | Midfield |  27 |      German |
    | Francis Banecki    | 36 | Midfield |  21 |      German |
    | Kevin Artmann      | 31 | Midfield |  21 |      German |
    | Markus Rosenberg    |  9 |  Striker |  24 |      Swede |
    | Aaron Hunt          | 14 |  Striker |  20 |      German |
    | Ivan Klasnic        | 17 |  Striker |  27 |      Croat |
    | Hugo Almeida        | 23 |  Striker |  23 |  Portuguese |
    | Kevin Schindler    | 28 |  Striker |  19 |      German |
    | Martin Harnik      | 34 |  Striker |  20 |      German |
    | John Jairo Mosquera | 35 |  Striker |  19 |  Colombian |
    +---------------------+----+----------+-----+-------------+



    Transfer rumours:

    Carlos Alberto (Brazilian, Corinthians / Fluminense), almost a done deal
    Ibson (Brazilian, Porto)
    Alou Diarra (French, Lyon)
    Rio Mavuba (French, Bordeaux)
    Afonso Alves (Brazilian, Heerenveen)
    Ezequiel Lavezzi (Argentinian, San Lorenzo)
    Hedwiges Maduro (Dutch, Ajax)
    Klaas Jan Huntelaar (Dutch, Ajax)
    Luis Suárez (Uruguaian, FC Groningen)
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:26 pm

    @blut

    I already thought of starting this thread myself, but refrained from doing so since my support for Werder has dipped somewhat after the atrocious treatment by Bremen fans of Klose

    this thread should be in the hands of a true Greenblood

    and not a future Bayern fan

    Very Happy

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    Bremen obviously need to find a top notch replacement for Klose

    as I told chrissi, Werder should break the bank for Helmes

    I know about his desire to play for Bayer, but he is DESPERATE to leave Cologne NOW

    1 FC dislike Bayer turning Helmes' head and will not just give him away to them

    Bremen should step in and offer something un-turndownable like

    15 million Euro

    he is on a free next season and this would be an offer they cannot refuse; Bayer would not match this offer either

    sign a 3 year contract and tell Helmes he can leave after 2

    a win-win situation for everybody other than Bayer

    Allofs needs to get more agressive and courageous

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    Huntelaar would be an investment; young Dutchies always increase in value

    personally, I don't rate him that highly at all though; in football terms: stay away from him

    Alves would be good but is BRAZILIAN

    Werder already have Diego and Naldo and soon Carlos Alberto + Almeida ( a Portuguese speaker)

    that is , tbh, already way too much

    Werder have to reamain predominently GERMAN

    ie, stay away from Alves

    remember, if the likes of Boro feel this is no longer THEIR club they will leave soon (the boy has already said he wanted to play abroad eventually: Spain or England)

    Santa Cruz maybe just needs a change of scene; he will cost a steal and would be worth a shot

    what about trying to lure SChalke's Larssen away for decent money Question

    as for midfield:

    Boateng is linked with Sevilla

    Bremen should outbid them NOW
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:36 pm

    You can't replace a proven goal scorer, mature player and leader in the attack with a young talent that still has everything to prove, and has not played a single match in the 1. Bundesliga yet. I hope that even you otto, the holy grail of football knowledge, can agree with that. Besides, Helmes is not worth 15m EUR, that's just ridiculous. He still has everything to prove.

    Even with signing both CA and Alves we'd still be a predominantly German club, just look at our squad posted above. However, I agree that it's not the best idea too have too many foreign players from the same background in the squad, because there could be a danger of a cliquey structure in the team, which would hurt team spirit.

    Boateng is a wannabe gangsta with a shitty attitude, just like his brother. A great talent, but still has everything to prove, yet a loudmouth of Effenberg proportions. otto, we have enough talents ourselves, we just introduced 3 youngsters from our own youth to the senior team. What we need are proven, experienced players, especially on key positions like DM.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:43 pm

    P.S.: Allofs has already spoken to Borowski's agent about extending his contract. This has (and should have) top priority, although I can see why Boro has not extended his contract yet. The last season was rather disappointing for him, being injured most of the time, so he probably wants to wait until he had a couple of good matches for Werder to improve his negotiating position.
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:51 pm

    well, do what you like

    I'm only trying to help

    8)

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    one thing though

    Werder have always been strong at discovering talents

    that's brilliant

    BUT

    with Bayern finally starting to shell out the money ,Schalke getting their act together (Assauer gone, Slomka given a proper shot) and Stuttgart starting to establish their credentials , Bremen have to step up one gear

    remember, HSV under boring Stevens will start a comeback as well

    the Larssen suggestion is a good one

    use money to lubricate the deal

    the CREATIVE dealmaking as suggested with Helmes does not have to involve 15 million Euro (it could also be 10 , or maybe even just 8 ; remember, Bayer would NEVER pay 8 million for a player they thought is theirs anyway next season

    if anybody ever looked like a REAL DEAL it's Helmes

    Allofs has to start taking RISKS

    players like Diego, Naldo and certainly Borowski will not stay at Werder forever , if they fail to impress in the CL and Bundesliga yet again and cannot even qualify for the CL directly
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:58 pm

    lol!

    It's hilarious how you already are writing us off for the next season, in your oh so typical way, yet you'll most definitely be the first to join the bandwagon should we prove you wrong and have a great season. Some things will never change.

    Good luck as a Bayern fan next season. Or will it be Stuttgart and Schalke? Or HSV again? One never knows when it comes to otto... Very Happy

    P.S.: If anything, Bayern will have to deal with enormous pressure next season, they basically have to win. Not just because everyone and their granddad expects them to, but for financial reasons as well. Not playing the CL again with this expensive squad would be a disaster, the risk is quite substantial.
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:15 pm

    the risk for Bayern is MINIMAL

    they are FILTHY RICH

    besides, I have a suspicion that some of the deals are co-financed by the sponsors like Adidas, Allianz or T-Mobil

    they want to sell their products in Italy and France as well

    Ribery is no risk at all: even if he has two rotten seasons, clubs like Real or Arsenal would still pick him up for 25 million Euros

    Toni's salary is high, but the transfer costs are low; Dummenigge has already said they will now step up their marketing operation in Italy

    Klose is one of the smallest gambles in the history of the sport

    an ambitious hard-worker without a massive ego but an eye for the team

    good in the air; able to help the German kids as well

    still, "my bloved Bayern" could easily have problems at the start of the season; they have to gel as a team and find a system

    Bremen and the others HAVE to start as strongly as possible; no lapses allowed

    you still have not answered my Larssen or Helmes for 8 million suggestion by the way

    cunning stuff, heh


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    Post by Fey Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:18 pm

    Cant believe Otto is cheering for Bayern again!! (allthough we all know he is a HSV fan) Bayern will have to deal with the pressure, and people are demanding goals!

    Allthough im happy with Klose to Bayern for obvious reasons, I think its again a loss for the Bundesliga.

    I mean, without Bayern, die Heimat would have the most exciting league in the world. HSV, Bremen, Stuttgart, Schalke, Dortmund, Berlin etc....could all win it then.
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    Post by TM Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:19 pm

    How much will you miss Klose.
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    Post by 72-76-80-96-08 Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:28 pm

    TM wrote:How much will you miss Klose.

    he's irreplacable

    not only the king of the goals , but also of the ASSISTS


    @ fey

    ever since I have been on this board, I have supported the FC Hollywood

    as you can see under my avatar
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:36 pm

    TM wrote:How much will you miss Klose.

    The Klose of the second half of last season won't be missed at all. Klose in top form will definitely be missed, but we will replace him, like we always have when we lost key players.

    What some people, e.g. experst like otto, don't get is that Bremen's strenght is the system we play, and the structure of the club. We have a clear concept and therefore can replace key players easier than most of competitors.

    We will be back.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:44 pm

    otto, the risk are 70-80m EUR in wages every year. Bayern have spend more than 150m EUR on transfers this summer, if you take the wages into account also (over 70m EUR on transfer fees alone).

    That is a lot of money even for Bayern, and not playing the CL again would be a disaster, no matter how many sponsoring deals they've made (Deutsche Telekom might actually be replaced in future, they have too many problems on their own to waste money on sponsoring).

    As far as your "cunning" proposals are concenred, I rather let Klaus Allofs do his job, thank you. In Klaus we trust, and knowing him, he already has a couple of deals done.

    We'll see who has the last laugh otto. Glory hunters usually become prey themselves. Very Happy
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:23 am

    Interesting interview with Allofs about the Klose saga and Bayern:


    Hoeneß hat sich bei mir entschuldigt

    Von MATHIAS SONNENBERG

    BILD am SONNTAG: Herr Allofs, noch vor ein paar Wochen haben Sie behauptet: Klose bleibt auf jeden Fall bis 2008 und wechselt nicht zum FC Bayern. Sind Sie ein Wortbrecher?

    Klaus Allofs (50): Als ich das sagte, war ich auch davon überzeugt. Nicht nur ich, sondern die gesamte Geschäftsführung. Aber es gibt Entwicklungen, nach denen man seine Entscheidungen noch mal überdenken muss.

    Welche Entwicklungen waren das?

    Dass Miro Klose unbedingt sofort zu Bayern wollte. Das hatte er damals so nicht gesagt.

    Mit Uli Hoeneß lagen Sie lange im Streit, weil er sich ohne Ihr Wissen heimlich mit Klose traf. Haben Sie darüber noch mal mit Hoeneß gesprochen?

    Wir hatten vor einiger Zeit ein Treffen mit Liga-Managern. Da haben wir unter vier Augen gesprochen.

    Was haben Sie da besprochen?

    Da es ein Vier-Augen-Gespräch war, werde ich über Inhalte nichts sagen. Aber Uli weiß, dass die Bayern damals einen großen Fehler gemacht haben. Dafür hat er sich auch entschuldigt.

    Und jetzt sind Sie wieder Freunde?

    Es ist nicht so, dass wir den Bayern jetzt auf ewig sauer sind. Aber es war nicht korrekt. Ich habe mit Bayern eigentlich fast nur gute Erfahrungen gemacht. Dass sie unsere Spieler haben wollen, kann man verstehen. Und dass sie die Spiele gewinnen wollen, das ist alles in Ordnung. Aber bei der Aktion mit Klose bleibe ich bei meiner Meinung, dass das nicht Bayern-Niveau entsprach. Aber das sehen die Bayern auch ein.

    Setzt sich Klose in München durch?

    Der FC Bayern ist ja anders geworden. Es gibt nicht mehr diese Platzhirsche wie früher Augenthaler, Matthäus, Effenberg oder Scholl. Die Hierarchie hat sich verändert. Und viele Spieler kennt Miro aus der Nationalelf.

    Kann man Bayern überhaupt noch bezwingen?

    Sie haben sich sehr gut verstärkt. Aber das führt auch zu neuen Problemen. Es gibt doch eine alte Regel: Nicht die besten elf Spieler werden Meister, sondern die beste Mannschaft. Ich habe keine Sorgen, dass Bayern übermächtig wird. Denn viele Stars bedeuten auch viel Konfliktpotenzial.

    Aber viele Stars bedeuten auch viel Qualität!

    Das würde ich ja nie bezweifeln. Wir haben bei Werder ja auch viele Positionen, die hart umkämpft sind. Aber das darf nie zum Dauerstress werden. Man muss Zufriedenheit herstellen, ohne dass es zur Bequemlichkeit wird.

    Wie macht man das?

    Es darf keine Atmosphäre geben, wo jeder Spieler permanent infrage gestellt wird. Das geht nicht.

    http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/sport/bundesliga/2007/07/01/allofs-klaus-interview/entschuldigung-hoeness.html


    According to Allofs, Hoeness has apologised for the illegal meeting with Klose last season, and admitted that it was wrong.

    Well, that might be enough for our board, but our fans won't forget that any time soon.

    I don't trust Bayern, they never do anything without purpose. The only way to really hurt us, and I know they love to, would be to lure Allofs or Schaaf (or both) to Munich, the horror scenario from the Werder perspective. Maybe that's why they tried to improve the relations again. Hoeness will retire sooner or later, and getting Allofs as a replacement would both help Bayern and hurt Bremen.

    I hope that we do our best to prevent that. I'm not that pessimistic about it though, both Allofs and Schaaf love their job here, and both know that their success is due to the great team work and professional structure of the club. They'd be less effective elsewhere, especially in Munich.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:23 am

    We have to play Eintracht Braunschweig in the first round of the DFB Pokal next season. After the disaster last year, I really hope that we get our act together this year, and do well in the Pokal again, like we traditionally have. Braunschweig shouldn't be a problem under normal circumstances, but nothing is "normal" in cup competitions, they have their own rules.
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    Post by chrissicross Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:53 pm

    Do you like our new shirt, blut?
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:56 pm

    I haven't actually seen it yet? Pics in the Werder forum?

    I thought they'd show the new kit tomorrow (hopefully introducing CA to the club while they are at it....)?
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    Post by Ä Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:56 pm

    http://www.welt.de/sport/article989351/Wir_brauchen_nicht_zwingend_Ersatz_fuer_Klose.html

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    Post by chrissicross Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:12 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:I haven't actually seen it yet? Pics in the Werder forum?

    I thought they'd show the new kit tomorrow (hopefully introducing CA to the club while they are at it....)?
    http://forum.werder.de/viewtopic.php?t=32294

    I find it a bit boring to be honest, at least so far, and I miss the orange...
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    Post by fcb Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:16 pm

    Getting rid of orange is the perfect way to not win any trophies next year...you know the Dutch orange brings flair and luck to your football Wink
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:16 pm

    Is that from an official source though?

    It looks very retro, I don't mind it really, but I'll wait for the official pictures of the new kit.

    Hope that we can get the Nike deal done for next season though, would be great for a ton of reasons.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:19 pm

    kas wrote:Getting rid of orange is the perfect way to not win any trophies next year...you know the Dutch orange brings flair and luck to your football Wink

    On the contrary kas. Orange = self-mutilation and infighting = doom

    You Barça fans should know this best. Bet you'll be much more successful next year with your new blue away kit. Very Happy
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:20 pm

    P.S.: Our traditional colours are green and white, for more than 100 years now. Orange was just a "stylish" addition introduced by Kappa a few years ago.
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:25 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:P.S.: Our traditional colours are green and white, for more than 100 years now. Orange was just a "stylish" addition introduced by Kappa a few years ago.

    Spot on, Orange is indeed a metaphor for style... ok
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:29 pm

    Wannabe style, the bling-bling of international football.

    Nothing is as stylish as black, and white. Connoisseurs agree.
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    Ricardo Jol
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:32 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Wannabe style, the bling-bling of international football.

    Nothing is as stylish as black, and white. Connoisseurs agree.

    welcome to Juve...!
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    Axeslammer
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    Post by Axeslammer Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:33 pm

    Ricardo Jol wrote:
    blutgraetsche wrote:Wannabe style, the bling-bling of international football.

    Nothing is as stylish as black, and white. Connoisseurs agree.

    welcome to Juve...!

    World famous for style and class : Newcastle United

    *cough*

    Wink
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    Ricardo Jol
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:34 pm

    You beat to that Axe ok
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    Axeslammer
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    Post by Axeslammer Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:37 pm

    As an FC Groningen fan I know how beautiful the combination of green and white is, but I have to say I did like the Werder shirts with orange in it ok

    ....so I can't lose, I like 'm all : with or withour orange Ale
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:53 pm

    BLut axe I agree with you green is a great colour...

    but I prefer it with yellow stripes! ok
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    Post by Ricardo Jol Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:01 pm

    BLut axe I agree with you green is a great colour...

    but I prefer it with yellow stripes! ok
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