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blutgraetsche wrote:The best of both worlds, German and Brazilian internationals. Can't ask for more.
I DO ASK for MORE
best of both worlds would mean, German players + German players
ie, the combination of FLAIR and ORGANISATION-a WINNING MENTALITY
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I DO ASK for MORE
best of both worlds would mean, German players + German players
ie, the combination of FLAIR and ORGANISATION-a WINNING MENTALITY
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otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:blutgraetsche wrote:The best of both worlds, German and Brazilian internationals. Can't ask for more.
I DO ASK for MORE
best of both worlds would mean, German players + German players
ie, the combination of FLAIR and ORGANISATION-a WINNING MENTALITY
Deutschland uber alles
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blutgraetsche wrote:Wow, and I had expected you to mention Kuranyi. That you didn't mention him tells me that you seem to fear his headers now also.
well he is also a magic magyar...
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You are just childish otto. This overhyping of German players is not healthy, it actually makes it look like you have an inferiority complex, for absolutely no reason.
There are other nations that can play football also otto, time to wake up to reality.
There are other nations that can play football also otto, time to wake up to reality.
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blutgraetsche wrote: German flair, elegance, physical and mental strenght, power, discipline, tactical variability, work ethic, fighting spirit etc. pp.
agreed
blutgraetsche wrote: and
GERMAN flair, technique, vision, genius moments, unpredictability, dribblings, playfulness, joy etc. pp.
and Schwofen, especially Schwofen.
spot on, old chap
to be found at Bayern Munich, Stuttgart and Bayer Leverkusen
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Fey wrote:otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:blutgraetsche wrote:The best of both worlds, German and Brazilian internationals. Can't ask for more.
I DO ASK for MORE
best of both worlds would mean, German players + German players
ie, the combination of FLAIR and ORGANISATION-a WINNING MENTALITY
Deutschland uber alles
richtig so
Prost
with a Jever or Weizenbier
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blutgraetsche wrote:You are just childish otto. This overhyping of German players is not healthy, it actually makes it look like you have an inferiority complex, for absolutely no reason.
There are other nations that can play football also otto, time to wake up to reality.
Otto =
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Yeah, especially Bayern who will let some of the most promising German youngsters rot on the bench. 
Classic otto.
Classic otto.
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Otto is supporting every team....except Werder 
Owww and HSV...but that is his favourite team, but is coached by a Dutchman at the moment!
Harsh times indeed for you Otto, supporting the German equivalent of PSV, Leverkussen.
Owww and HSV...but that is his favourite team, but is coached by a Dutchman at the moment! Harsh times indeed for you Otto, supporting the German equivalent of PSV, Leverkussen.
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blutgraetsche wrote:You are just childish otto. This overhyping of German players is not healthy, it actually makes it look like you have an inferiority complex, for absolutely no reason.
There are other nations that can play football also otto, time to wake up to reality.
mein lieber blut
Du bist einfach falsch gewickelt
would you care to let me know the nationality of the player with the most flair-style-vision-technique-entertainment value... at the World Cup in the following positions
1. striker
2. right-midfield
3. No 6
4. Left-back
5. zentrale Verteidigung
6. goal-keeper
and don't rack your pretty head too much, blut
it ain't that difficult
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What nonsense argument. Because Germany has good footballers, the rest is Cr@p in comparison? This is what I meant, it's just unhealthy and sad.
Time to visit the Vaterland again otto, you really need it.
Time to visit the Vaterland again otto, you really need it.
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blut
Du musst den mentalen Schalter umlegen
Germany had far more flair-vision-technique players at the last World Cup than anybody else
including Brazil
:shock:
what I hate about your argument
"German organistation-work rate... + Brazilian unpredicability"
is that you associate what makes football worth watching with the OTHERS (Brazil, Dutchland....)
in other words
Du lagerst einen Teil der DEUTSCHEN Persoenlichkeit aus and projizierst ihn auf andere
it's too much of a black and white approach
the trick is to see the world in a holistic way
FLAIR for me is by definition as German as Brazilian; organisation maybe less so
Lahm had more flair than Carlos
Lehmann more than Dida
Klose more than Adriano
Mertesacker more than Naldo (at Bremen): or at least as much
what German football fans have to understand is to embrace their players and EXPECT them to show what we desire
at the World Cup they fulfilled that need already more than the Brazilians
in Stuttgart Klinsi told Schweini to play DIRECT, not like the Portuguese
he did it and overshadowed Ronaldo by many sizes
but he could have put in a FLAIR performance just as well, with dribbles, oversteps, the whole deal
we have to let OUR boys do what we want them to do
not request HARD WORK and let the Brazilians entertain
wahre G
(PS: this does not mean that other countries don't produce good or indeed flair players as well
PPS: with the exception of the Dutch)
:biggrin:
Du musst den mentalen Schalter umlegen
Germany had far more flair-vision-technique players at the last World Cup than anybody else
including Brazil
:shock:
what I hate about your argument
"German organistation-work rate... + Brazilian unpredicability"
is that you associate what makes football worth watching with the OTHERS (Brazil, Dutchland....)
in other words
Du lagerst einen Teil der DEUTSCHEN Persoenlichkeit aus and projizierst ihn auf andere
it's too much of a black and white approach
the trick is to see the world in a holistic way
FLAIR for me is by definition as German as Brazilian; organisation maybe less so
Lahm had more flair than Carlos
Lehmann more than Dida
Klose more than Adriano
Mertesacker more than Naldo (at Bremen): or at least as much
what German football fans have to understand is to embrace their players and EXPECT them to show what we desire
at the World Cup they fulfilled that need already more than the Brazilians
in Stuttgart Klinsi told Schweini to play DIRECT, not like the Portuguese
he did it and overshadowed Ronaldo by many sizes
but he could have put in a FLAIR performance just as well, with dribbles, oversteps, the whole deal
we have to let OUR boys do what we want them to do
not request HARD WORK and let the Brazilians entertain
wahre G
(PS: this does not mean that other countries don't produce good or indeed flair players as well
PPS: with the exception of the Dutch)
:biggrin:
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Read my posting again, it wasn't me who ridiculed German "flair", it was DD with his ironic post. Of course German players have "flair" and technique also.
Germany and Brazil have different football traditions, the focus here is different to that in Brazil. This is an undeniable fact. There is no German player in the Bundesliga who can dribble better than Diego, for example. That's why combining the strenghts of both approaches can be so fruitful, if done right.
This doesn't mean that German players can't dribble, or Brazilian players lack mental strenght, I never ever had a black-and-white scenario like that in mind. It's the focus that is different, it's just more likely to find excellent Brazilian dribblers than German ones, due to the different focus in their football education.
Germany and Brazil have different football traditions, the focus here is different to that in Brazil. This is an undeniable fact. There is no German player in the Bundesliga who can dribble better than Diego, for example. That's why combining the strenghts of both approaches can be so fruitful, if done right.
This doesn't mean that German players can't dribble, or Brazilian players lack mental strenght, I never ever had a black-and-white scenario like that in mind. It's the focus that is different, it's just more likely to find excellent Brazilian dribblers than German ones, due to the different focus in their football education.
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I let you off this time
but I am not sure you really understand what I am trying to say, blut
forget about football for a second
amongst all the German and English people I know (of similar age-education...), the Germans tend to be MORE individualistic, creative and funny
hands down
there are exceptions to this ; but it's still true as a trend
much of this is AGAINST stereotype (just like in Fussball)
and the Teutons in question would not even make any claims of superiority
yet somehow our dear Germans fail to communicate their strenghts appropriately because they always expect somebody else to be better-have more flair....
it's like looking at a drop-dead-gorgeous girl whining that all the others are more pretty than her
what our nation needs is a collective make-over
a mental oil-change
I fear it won't happen in our life-time, which incidentally, is one of the reasons why so many top Teutons are searching for gold abroad
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but I am not sure you really understand what I am trying to say, blut
forget about football for a second
amongst all the German and English people I know (of similar age-education...), the Germans tend to be MORE individualistic, creative and funny
hands down
there are exceptions to this ; but it's still true as a trend
much of this is AGAINST stereotype (just like in Fussball)
and the Teutons in question would not even make any claims of superiority
yet somehow our dear Germans fail to communicate their strenghts appropriately because they always expect somebody else to be better-have more flair....
it's like looking at a drop-dead-gorgeous girl whining that all the others are more pretty than her
what our nation needs is a collective make-over
a mental oil-change
I fear it won't happen in our life-time, which incidentally, is one of the reasons why so many top Teutons are searching for gold abroad
traurige Geschichte
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I think that neither chrissi or I have a problem with saying that Germany are one of the very best national teams in the world atm., and can beat anyone.
You are just looking for an "inferiority complex" that doesn't exist, and think that you have to compensate for that, and the lack of appreciation German football gets abroad, by overhyping anything German. But that's not how it works otto. The best way to shut up all those idiots who still keep writing us off is to prove them wrong on the pitch.
Hyping is not the German way, so please drop it (or just come back for a few weeks to get healed
). We don't need it, we don't need stupid player-to-player comparisons either. We know how good we are, and don't need to tell everyone and their grandmother about it, like the Dutchies do.
Let football do the talking.
You are just looking for an "inferiority complex" that doesn't exist, and think that you have to compensate for that, and the lack of appreciation German football gets abroad, by overhyping anything German. But that's not how it works otto. The best way to shut up all those idiots who still keep writing us off is to prove them wrong on the pitch.
Hyping is not the German way, so please drop it (or just come back for a few weeks to get healed
). We don't need it, we don't need stupid player-to-player comparisons either. We know how good we are, and don't need to tell everyone and their grandmother about it, like the Dutchies do. Let football do the talking.
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Otto is like one of those Japenese soldiers on a remote island that didnt knew the war has ended.
I mean this board is not anti German or anything! If there is a German player that deserves the credit we will give it. Just look at Cziommer
Sell Diego and get Cziommer, Werder happy, Otto happy
I mean this board is not anti German or anything! If there is a German player that deserves the credit we will give it. Just look at Cziommer
Sell Diego and get Cziommer, Werder happy, Otto happy
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Otto is like one of those Japenese soldiers on a remote island that didnt knew the war has ended.
Any German I speak to I get along fine with and find them much better to mix with than the French, Swiss, Belgians, Serbians etc...
Otto still thinks they are invading Poland and gassing De Ridders. I see another anti-English comment in his post
Any German I speak to I get along fine with and find them much better to mix with than the French, Swiss, Belgians, Serbians
etc...Otto still thinks they are invading Poland and gassing De Ridders. I see another anti-English comment in his post
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blutgraetsche wrote:
Hyping is not the German way, so please drop it (or just come back for a few weeks to get healed
Let football do the talking.
if hyping is not the German way, then why do so many foreigners get hyped in Germany
you should have said: hyping Germans is not the German way, hyping everybody else is a national past-time
Hoeness just announced that they have signed WELTSTARS and he meant Ribery and Toni; not Klose
see Netzer on Holland, Siegenthaler-Klinsi on English football....
the list is endless
as for "let football do the talking": funny that, the ENTIRE world is letting talking doing the talking, only not the ever so eloquent Teutons
it really is TIME for Germans to stand up and make their case
most of us behave like shy-quiet little girls doing the washing up and being surprised that nobody showers us with affection and praise
it's a very female trait: doing a good job and hoping to get some recognition and ultimatively promotion (in the work-place) as a result
in most cases, " not selling yourself" means "not getting anywhere"
Germans will never learn that
in general, it is this "everthing foreign is better and we are so $h!t"-attitude that drives the best Germans out of the country
getting excited about Diego but not Klose
spiegel.de recently had a survey saying 20% of all German managers now live and work abroad
our very own Effenberg on this board said the other day that it was German negativity that meant he had no interest in going back
same applies to my two brothers who live-work in America and Asia
and when I see one more image of Netzer or Siegenthaler or those German Miesepeter like Lattek I realise that I am not ready for an immediate comeback either
which brings us back to flair and organisation
it is exactly sentences like " we now combine German organistion with Brazilian flair" that drive me completely mad
think of Lena Gerke
I am sure she combines German flair with German Puenklichkeit and German looks and beat Gisele Buendchen to the punch
the moment , you , my dear blut, embrace Lena, the girl from Cloppenburg, is the moment I move back to Germany
wahre G
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Das nennt man auch "im eigenen Land zählt der Prophet nichts", oder "die Kirschen in Nachbars Garten sind süßer".
This is not solely a German phenomenon otto, and you won't change anything about it by imitating the wrong hyping, or doing it worse even. Why this self-loathing, because that's nothing else than that? Why do Germans have to be like that? Aren't we successful enough already, in basically every aspect of life? Do we have to rub it under everyone's nose?
That's just nonsense. It's like you hate this typical German humbleness and modesty so much that you try to imitate others, thinking that this will make you a "better" person. It will not. Take it like it is otto, Germans are and always will be like this. Love it or leave it.
This is not solely a German phenomenon otto, and you won't change anything about it by imitating the wrong hyping, or doing it worse even. Why this self-loathing, because that's nothing else than that? Why do Germans have to be like that? Aren't we successful enough already, in basically every aspect of life? Do we have to rub it under everyone's nose?
That's just nonsense. It's like you hate this typical German humbleness and modesty so much that you try to imitate others, thinking that this will make you a "better" person. It will not. Take it like it is otto, Germans are and always will be like this. Love it or leave it.
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Is it safe to say
Lothar Matthaeus predicts Manchester United to win the European Cup
I always said he was my favourite German player
Lothar Matthaeus predicts Manchester United to win the European Cup
I always said he was my favourite German player
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You really have no taste rai.
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blutgraetsche wrote: Take it like it is otto, Germans are and always will be like this. Love it or leave it.
I hate it and I've left already
don't worry about me, blut
I'm a big boy and can look after myself
it's the vast majority of those still exposed to the poisonous Teutonic negativity and self-loathing that have to suffer
and by implication
EVERYBODY in the country
remember like NOBODY in the Vaterland was prepared to spend ANY money because , horror , shock , the world was facing a deep recession
5 vor 12
then we had the FEEL-GOOD factor World Cup and suddenly EVERYBODY was going to the bank and spending happily
HAPPINESS is a state of mind
you cannot feel happy about yourself when you have nothing to praise in your OWN country; when only the FOREIGN is deemed good
the mental state of Germany is that of an anorexic girl:
we are starving ourselves of affection , looking into the mirror and seeing a FAT country
it ain't healthy
will it ever change
no idea
do I still care
sure
that's why I support Klose and Lena through thick and thin
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blutgraetsche wrote:You really have no taste rai.
He was good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0w50T70ylY
(please watch the video) I know Otto would enjoy it
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So what were the reasons that drove you out of the Fatherland then, Otto?otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:
in general, it is this "everthing foreign is better and we are so $h!t"-attitude that drives the best Germans out of the country
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Maverick wrote:
He was good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0w50T70ylY
(please watch the video) I know Otto would enjoy it
He was not good, he was awesome and an all time great. Still, terrible taste.
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blutgraetsche wrote:Maverick wrote:
He was good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0w50T70ylY
(please watch the video) I know Otto would enjoy it
He was not good, he was awesome and an all time great. Still, terrible taste.
bad taste ? , as a player he was ace .. this counts the most
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He is an arse of biblical proportions, that's why. 99% of the Germans agree.
100% will never question his footballing ability, that he is an all time great of this sport.
100% will never question his footballing ability, that he is an all time great of this sport.
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blutgraetsche wrote:He is an arse of biblical proportions, that's why. 99% of the Germans agree.
100% will never question his footballing ability, that he is an all time great of this sport.
ah , that explains well Football wise , counts IMO .. but personality these days is in the mix
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blutgraetsche wrote:I think that neither chrissi or I have a problem with saying that Germany are one of the very best national teams in the world atm., and can beat anyone.
You are just looking for an "inferiority complex" that doesn't exist, and think that you have to compensate for that, and the lack of appreciation German football gets abroad, by overhyping anything German. But that's not how it works otto. The best way to shut up all those idiots who still keep writing us off is to prove them wrong on the pitch.
Hyping is not the German way, so please drop it (or just come back for a few weeks to get healed
Let football do the talking.
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I hope but not on the expense of the league.Maverick wrote:Is it safe to say
Lothar Matthaeus predicts Manchester United to win the European Cup
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