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    Post by fcb Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:52 pm

    Uli Hessen-can't spell this part of his name did an article on Hoffenheim and their Abramovich a few months ago. I can't find it though.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:18 am

    You mean Uli Hesse-Lichtenberger. Found the article, published in November last year.



    Germany's anti-Abramovich

    Uli Hesse-Lichtenberger

    Last weekend, there were six draws in the nine games played in the southern branch of the two-tiered German third division, including the two league leaders. However, that wasn't much of a problem as they have already reached the stage where simply keeping the dogs at bay should be more than enough.

    Two clubs will get promoted to the 2nd Bundesliga at the end of the season, and after roughly half of the campaign, SV Wehen and TSG Hoffenheim sit atop the standings, already six points ahead of the team in third place. Yet that isn't even the real lead, for the team in third place is VfB Stuttgart reserves, followed by Bayern Munich reserves (these teams used to be called Stuttgart or Bayern Amateurs and are these days referred to as Stuttgart or Bayern II in Germany.)

    The reserve teams of the professional clubs cannot get promoted beyond the third division. Thus Wehen and Hoffenheim really only have to look at Ingolstadt in fifth place. And Ingolstadt are already ten points off the pace!

    Why am I telling you this? Because the story of one of the clubs which appear to be only a few months away from the 2nd Bundesliga is a quite interesting one - Hoffenheim. It's not even a proper city, just a borough of another place you probably haven't heard of: Sinsheim. Sinsheim is close to Heilbronn. And if that draws another blank from you, I could add that Sinsheim is also not far from Heidelberg.

    There are 3,000 people living in Hoffenheim, which means that it is no problem whatsoever for the whole community, including all relatives who may have moved elsewhere, to watch the team - as the ground holds 5,000. For the time being, we should add, because there are plans at TSG Hoffenheim to build a new stadium, one that could host Bundesliga games and would accomodate 30,000 people.

    'I can realistically imagine, with the possibilities we have, to get promoted to the 2nd Bundesliga and then to the Bundesliga in the not-too-distant future,' says Hoffenheim's coach. 'Two years per promotion, that would be realistic planning. But that doesn't mean our ambition doesn't exceed that. I mean, we can hardly go into a season and say we do not want to win promotion this year, only next year.'

    This man is Ralf Rangnick. His previous job was at Schalke, and before that he coached Hannover and Stuttgart. One of the men working together with him is the former coach of Germany's national field hockey team, Bernhard Peters. If you have been reading this column on a regular basis you should be familiar with him, as Peters is the man Jürgen Klinsmann wanted to have as the German FA's director of football, until the traditionalists intervened and installed Matthias Sammer.

    'Peters is here to develop, organise and optimise what is done during the training sessions, from the six-year-olds to the first team,' says Rangnick. He has also hired the psychologist Hans-Dieter Hermann, who worked with the national team during the World Cup. Hermann spends up to two days a week in Hoffenheim to prepare the players mentally.

    I take it for granted that you have by now guessed what lies at the root of this strange story, either a fairy tale or a morality play about delusions of grandeur - it's money. It's not only money, as we'll come to see, but since everything starts with money, let us begin there.

    The money comes from a man called Dietmar Hopp. He was born in Heidelberg in 1940 and played youth football for TSG Hoffenheim, as a centre forward. Later he got a job working for IBM, and in 1972 he co-founded a company called SAP. Today, SAP is Europe's number one producer of software, and the world's number three. The main reason you probably don't know much about the company is that they, like Oracle, specialise in business software, not games where you mow down zombies or stuff that helps you open a Word document.

    According to Forbes magazine, Hopp's personal wealth amounts to 2.5billion Euros. That's more than you can gamble away in Monte Carlo, and so Hopp decided to put some money into sports instead. But he is very different from the Russian billionaires, American investors or Australian media moguls we have been reading so much about in the past.

    When Hopp was looking for an enterprise that needed some cash influx, back in 1989, he wasn't thinking glamour or silverware, he wasn't thinking Milan or Manchester. He turned towards his roots, Hoffenheim. And what he did there, over the years, is also quite different from what people you could compare him to did at much bigger clubs.

    'I am the exact opposite of Roman Abramovich,' he says whenever he's accused of buying success. 'I invest money to build structures for the future. As far as I'm concerned, youth football comes first.' And he can't resist another jab at you know who: 'Rich people who do nothing but cruise around on their yachts are just egotists.'

    On the one hand, he's been true to his words. Hoffenheim did not rise through the leagues because of expensive, foreign signings. Over the past seasons, the squad was mainly made up of young German players, many from the region. Of the 31 footballers who are currently in or on the fringes of the team, only five are non-Germans, and one of those, the former Bundesliga player Francisco Copado may have a Spanish passport but was born in Kiel.

    'The youth set-up is excellent here,' Rangnick said with some admiration when he arrived at Hoffenheim this summer. 'The club's aim is to produce one or two players per year for the first team. No matter if we're talking third division football or, in the future, about the second or the first Bundesliga. But when we school players, our approach is holistic: we also teach them that football isn't everything.'

    But as nice as all this sounds, you have to wonder where the road paved with good intentions will take Hopp and Hoffenheim. The dissenting voices are growing louder, claiming that small Hoffenheim is becoming too big for its own good. During the first weeks of the season, the club's games were regularly featured on national television - mainly because Hoffenheim failed to win any of the first four matches.

    That, you see, was a nice occasion for the media to come up with gleeful remarks about software entrepeneurs, field hockey coaches and psychologists. It's become much quieter now that Hoffenheim have hit their stride, though. I guess the tradition-laden word of football has become a bit anxious the experiment at Hoffenheim could actually work.

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=391555&root=europe&cc=5739
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    Post by lionman Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:08 am

    games on matchday 4:

    31.08.
    1860 München - 1. FC Köln
    TuS Koblenz - 1. FC Kaiserslautern
    Kickers Offenbach - FC Augsburg

    02.09.
    Bor. Mönchengladbach - VfL Osnabrück
    SpVgg Greuther Fürth - FC St. Pauli
    SC Paderborn - Erzgebirge Aue
    Carl Zeiss Jena - FSV Mainz 05
    SV Wehen Wiesbaden - Alemannia Aachen

    03.09.
    SC Freiburg - 1899 Hoffenheim

    Another big match for us on Friday. Kölns Roda Antar has been suspended for 3 matches, which should be a big blow for Köln as he was one of their best players so far. Meanwhile, Daniel Bierofka is still not back in training and may miss this game as well. It is expected there will be around 45.000 spectators at the Allianz Arena.
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    Post by lionman Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:02 pm

    Hoffenheim has now officially confirmed the transfers of Carlos Eduardo and Demba Ba. Demba Ba signed a 4-year contract, Eduardo a 5-year contract. The club is silent about furhter details, but the transfer fees are generally estimated to be 9Mio € and 3Mio € respectively, while their old clubs will gain about 20% of the money, should they move to another club. Hoffenheim has now spent ca. 20-21 mio €, second only to Bayern in Germany.

    One day, they will realise you can't buy fans, tradition and success.
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    Post by lionman Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:49 pm

    HT

    1860 München - 1. FC Köln 0:0

    TuS Koblenz - 1. FC Kaiserslautern 1:1
    1:0 Sukalo 12.
    1:1 Bellinghausen 38.

    Kickers Offenbach - FC Augsburg 0:0
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:26 pm

    Koln have scored after 67 minutes. The ball wasn't cleared from a corner and was volleyed in from close range.
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:36 pm

    1860 have been awarded a penalty, looked like a fair tackle to me though.

    Penalty scored.

    1-1
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    Post by lionman Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:52 pm

    FT

    1860 München - 1. FC Köln 1:1
    0:1 Novakovic 67.
    1:1 Berhalter 78, pen
    attentance: 50.400

    TuS Koblenz - 1. FC Kaiserslautern 2:2
    1:0 Sukalo 12.
    1:1 Bellinghausen 38.
    2:1 Bogavac 59.
    2:2 Jendrisek 66.

    Kickers Offenbach - FC Augsburg 1:0
    1:0 Sieger 67, pen
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    Post by lionman Fri Aug 31, 2007 7:04 pm

    This game cost 5 years of my life. A little bit lucky to get a draw, but not undeserved. Köln was overall the slightly better team, but after their goal we created some good chances. That penalty with undoubtfully lead to another conspiration theory by Daum.

    We started with 10 points in 4 games, which is obviously very satisfying. We played now against Köln, who showed why they are red-hot favourites for promotion, Kaiserslautern and Augsburg, who on paper were/are considered to be contenders, and Hoffenheim, who are sort of a surprise package due to their unlimited financial backing.

    Next game is against Aachen, who are another strong favourite. If we avoid defeat we can really be content, if we even win, that would be an excellent start in the season.
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    Post by lionman Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:48 pm

    Hoffenheim has another Brazilian talent. 20year-old Luiz Gustavo Ruis, called Gustavo, comes from Club de Regatas Brasil for one year on loan with a buy-option. He is apparantly a defensive all-rounder. Rolling Eyes
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    Post by blutgraetsche Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:50 pm

    Hoffenheim clearly overdoing it now. Guess they want to 'speed up' things, and buy their way to 1. Bundesliga. This way, they'll be one of the most hated clubs in the country soon.
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    Post by lionman Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:02 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Hoffenheim clearly overdoing it now. Guess they want to 'speed up' things, and buy their way to 1. Bundesliga. This way, they'll be one of the most hated clubs in the country soon.

    They already are.
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    Post by lionman Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:39 pm

    Tschauner will be out for 3 months with some ligament injury. Ledgerwood will be out for some time as well with a fracture. Crying or Very sad
    http://www.bundesliga.de/de/liga2/news/2007/index.php?f=73721.php
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    Post by lionman Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:47 pm

    HT
    Bor. Mönchengladbach - VfL Osnabrück 2:0
    1:0 Neuville 11.
    2:0 Neuville 25.

    SpVgg Greuther Fürth - FC St. Pauli 1:1
    0:1 Braun 11.
    1:1 Lanig 43.

    SC Paderborn - Erzgebirge Aue 0:0

    Carl Zeiss Jena - FSV Mainz 05 0:1
    0:1 Feulner 17.

    SV Wehen Wiesbaden - Alemannia Aachen 0:0
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:50 pm

    Good to see Gladbach finally doing well.
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    Post by lionman Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:52 pm

    FT
    Bor. Mönchengladbach - VfL Osnabrück 2:1
    1:0 Neuville 11.
    2:0 Neuville 25.
    2:1 Nouri 77.

    SpVgg Greuther Fürth - FC St. Pauli 2:1
    0:1 Braun 11.
    1:1 Lanig 43.
    2:1 Reisinger 90+1.

    SC Paderborn - Erzgebirge Aue 0:1
    0:1 Geißler 68.

    Carl Zeiss Jena - FSV Mainz 05 1:2
    0:1 Feulner 17.
    1:1Omodiagbe 54
    1:2 Gunkel 78.

    SV Wehen Wiesbaden - Alemannia Aachen 3:0 affraid
    1:0 Simac 65.
    2:0 Bick 76, pen
    3:0 Nicu 86.
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    Post by lionman Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:56 pm

    1 TSV 1860 München 4 13:4 10
    2 SpVgg Greuther Fürth 4 7:2 10
    3 1. FSV Mainz 05 4 10:6 9
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    4 Kickers Offenbach 4 6:6 9
    5 Erzgebirge Aue 4 7:4 7
    6 1. FC Köln 4 7:5 7
    7 Alemannia Aachen 4 7:5 7
    8 SV Wehen 4 7:6 7
    9 FC St. Pauli 4 3:4 6
    10 VfL Osnabrück 4 4:4 5
    11 Borussia M'gladbach 4 4:6 5
    12 SC Freiburg 3 3:3 4
    13 TuS Koblenz 4 5:8 4
    14 1. FC Kaiserslautern 4 4:7 2
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    15 FC Carl Zeiss Jena 4 6:9 1
    16 TSG Hoffenheim 3 2:6 1
    17 SC Paderborn 4 0:4 1
    18 FC Augsburg 4 4:10 1
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    Post by chrissicross Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:00 pm

    Oh dear, not a good day for Super Guido.
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    Post by lionman Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:41 pm

    Freiburg:
    Nulle - Sanou, Schwaab, Butscher, Aogo - Uzoma - Matmour, Banovic, Ali Günes, J. Jäger - Arlindo Cafu

    Hoffenheim:
    D. Haas - Janker, Jaissle, Nilsson, Löw - Vorsah - Ibisevic, Copado, Carlos Eduardo - Edu, Ba

    27'
    Freiburg - Hoffenheim 1:0
    1:0 Cafu 6.

    Freiburg fans starting the game with chants of "Scheiß Millionäre" Laughing
    The goal came after a horrendious blunder of the goalkeeper. They are defensively all over the place, they really should have invested in defense rather than attack. So far, the new stars have yet to play konts in their opponents' legs, a couple of good moves but not too impressive.

    Btw: Vorsah (Ghana), Edu (Nigeria) and Eduardo (Brasil) are non-EU-citizens. Ibisevic is Bosnian and as far as I know he has no German citizenship. So is there some law that gives Bosnians equal status or is Hoffenheim fielding 4 non-EU-citizenship Suspect
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    Post by blutgraetsche Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:42 pm

    lol!

    Chants like those had to be expected. Nice to see that Freiburg are still doing ok, even without legendary coach Finke.
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    Post by lionman Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:44 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:lol!

    Chants like those had to be expected. Nice to see that Freiburg are still doing ok, even without legendary coach Finke.
    After the goal they seemed to have stopped, at least I can't hear them anymore. Hoffenheim's fans replied: " Wenn wir wollen, kaufen wir euch auf" Rolling Eyes
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    Post by lionman Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:02 pm

    HT
    Freiburg - Hoffenheim 2:1
    1:0 Cafu 6.
    2:0 Löw 40, og
    2:1 Edu 44.

    Freiburg way better than Hoffenheim, who hardly create anything. The goal came totally out of the blue. The Freiburg goals came after catastrophic blunders, first by Haas, then by Löw. The second goal will be a highlight of every season retrospective. It was simply hilarious lol!

    Btw the commentator and the moderator should apply for a post as official Hoffenheim spokesman.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:26 pm

    Hoffenheim play very naive. But you can see the class of their expensive players. They'd even strenghten a lot of 1. Bundesliga sides.
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    Post by lionman Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:35 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Hoffenheim play very naive. But you can see the class of their expensive players. They'd even strenghten a lot of 1. Bundesliga sides.

    confused confused
    They play like average 2-Bundesliga players. If you didn't know they are supposed to be class, you wouldn't notice.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:36 pm

    Laugh

    Come on now lionman, even you must see the glimpses of class now and then.

    You really hate Hoffenheim, don't you?
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    Post by lionman Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:38 pm

    Eduardo now subbed, rather anonymous performance. Though he still has to adopt of course.
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    Post by lionman Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:40 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Laugh

    Come on now lionman, even you must see the glimpses of class now and then.

    You really hate Hoffenheim, don't you?

    No, I'm sorry but I can't. Have you watched 1860 - Köln for example? They were several players who peformed better.
    I'm not kidding you now, but I doubt they would make our team at the moment. They may have some more potential, but I can only judge what they do now.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:42 pm

    Did you see the glimpses of class now lionman? Very Happy
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    Post by lionman Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:43 pm

    Freiburg - Hoffenheim 2:2
    1:0 Cafu 6.
    2:0 Löw 40, og
    2:1 Edu 44.
    2:2 Edu 70.

    Finally a good action by Edu, class finish.
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    Post by lionman Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:44 pm

    blutgraetsche wrote:Did you see the glimpses of class now lionman? Very Happy

    Yes, I did, see my post before.
    But to repeat: They did not show class before. period.

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