Kieron Dyer Keen on Move to Spurs

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/6918873.stm


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Personally, this would be an excellent signing for 5-6million. 28 and therefore a good 4years left in the tank, in my opinion within the top 5 or so most talented English midfielders in the country, if he can stay relatively injury free and focussed this would be brilliant signing for Spurs.

Still need a left winger, but with Dyer this would leave Jol with the possibility of unloading Danny Murphy for instance.

Yeah...a midfielder is just what Tottenham need. Fucking hope they have the poorest season ever.

I am Mum-Ra wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/6918873.stm


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Personally, this would be an excellent signing for 5-6million. 28 and therefore a good 4years left in the tank, in my opinion within the top 5 or so most talented English midfielders in the country, if he can stay relatively injury free and focussed this would be brilliant signing for Spurs.

Still need a left winger, but with Dyer this would leave Jol with the possibility of unloading Danny Murphy for instance.

Are you kidding me? 2 at the most IMO, like with Lennon pace is his main asset, when that goes he won't be much crack. Also this will bugger up your wage cap, next thing you know King, Berbatov etc will want equal wages.

Forgot Danny Murphy existed

L.r.d wrote:Forgot Danny Murphy existed

This is what those scumbag c**ts do. Buy people for the sake of it...buy people they don't really need, just so others can't buy them. Murphy is one of about 10 players to have their careers wrecked by them. Defoe is heading that way.

Kieron Dyer! We love you because we hated you!

Not really. I do think Dyer can be a top class player, not one of Englands most talented, but a player who genuinely can change games when hes on form. When he came back from his injury last year for us, he was wonderful for a few games up front, really dynamic and showed unusually good finishing. In the pre-season game against Hartlepool he made two lovely through balls which lead to goals, and like Ive said, on form, he can really make a difference. Along with N'Zogbia, Dyer is one of two players we have who can really drive at people and create, and in that respect Im not going to be over the moon to see the back of him. The fact that Luque seems to be trying a little, and that Allardyce is giving him a chance, could result in him providing competition for the left wing, which would allow N'Zogbia to play more centrally, and that would help our creativity in the centre a lot.

All this said, the problem with Dyer is his injury record and his attitude. Personally, Ive never found him particularly dislikeable, but the fact is that he rarely does perform in accordance with his potential. Perhaps partly because of his injuries, perhaps because he isnt capable of doing so, but also because he sometimes seems to choose the games he plays in - ie. he will push himself when he needs to, in England games for instance, or when back from a period out to prove his worth, but he wont play well every week and will be absent three or four out of five games. Again, I think this is partly because he has to pick and choose because hes not capable, physically or mentally, of performing his best every match.

Its funny that Dyer, in moving to Spurs, will be back with his good friend Jermaine Jenas - and Im not sure the two bring the best out in each other, at least off the pitch, though the loss of friends may be part of the reason why Dyer is unsettled - yet will probably compete with him for a place, considering Zokora and Huddlestone will battle it out for the defensive midfield spot. The problem with Dyer in the centre is that, when hes not driving forward, he can tend to think hes Patrick Vieira, will drift back and try to pick up the ball off the defenders and play it from there, which isnt where hes at his best. Whilst he could also be back up for the right hand side, hes not keen on playing there - who knows if a chance of atmosphere might make him more willing - and Lennon is similar, more of a natural winger as well as being younger. Its worth saying that, on the other hand, Dyer may have drifted back so much at times for us since our defenders have tended to be incapable of passing the ball or bringing it out themselves; then some of Dyers best moments for us have come on the right hand side, before he decided to stop playing there.

Still, Dyer cant play on the left, and in all these respects Im not sure he will be a huge improvement to the Spurs team. And I agree with Kimbo in that, with pace being his main asset, he wont have more than two or three years left at the top. Still hes not a bad player to have for £4-5 million, and I dont think its a bad deal for either party if it goes through.

So how many England internationals do Spurs have now?

DD wrote:So how many England internationals do Spurs have now?

This would be the 7th, but then Robinson is the only first teamer and is pretty poor.

Jenas.. Now Dyer.

But why are so many players so solicitous to move to Spurs?

It's not as if they truly meet the criteria for being a 'big' club yet.

Saying that neither do Newcastle. Perenial failure on Tyneside must be rather crushing I admit.

C.Mallory-Smythe wrote:Jenas.. Now Dyer.

But why are so many players so solicitous to move to Spurs?

It's not as if they truly meet the criteria for being a 'big' club yet.

Saying that neither do Newcastle. Perenial failure on Tyneside must be rather crushing I admit.

It's the best option available to him, as he can't stay at Newcastle. Sam and Mort must have realised that 80k a week for a squad player is a bit mental and have decided to get rid.

Bashmachkin wrote:
I do think Dyer can be a top class player, not one of Englands most talented,

The fact is, he really should be one of England's, if not Europe's most talented players. When he first burst onto the scene with Newcastle and England, he looked really promising. The only English midfielder who I believe has as much natural talent as Dyer is Joe Cole. The difference being that Joe Cole trained hard and kept his body relatively well conditioned, while Dyer always wanted to party and kept his body poorly conditioned, therefore picking up numerous injuries.

It's a shame because I genuinely thought he was really going to make it big (he obviously has been relatively successful, he is after all playing Premiership football, but really he should have been a full England international), but it seems he never had the same hunger to succeed as other players.

S4P wrote:

Bashmachkin wrote:
I do think Dyer can be a top class player, not one of Englands most talented,

The fact is, he really should be one of England's, if not Europe's most talented players. When he first burst onto the scene with Newcastle and England, he looked really promising. The only English midfielder who I believe has as much natural talent as Dyer is Joe Cole. The difference being that Joe Cole trained hard and kept his body relatively well conditioned, while Dyer always wanted to party and kept his body poorly conditioned, therefore picking up numerous injuries.

It's a shame because I genuinely thought he was really going to make it big (he obviously has been relatively successful, he is after all playing Premiership football, but really he should have been a full England international), but it seems he never had the same hunger to succeed as other players.

Agree...

There's still a good player there somewhere waiting to come out...

He needs a season without injuries, which will than make him enjoy playing football more, become more determined, all the traits that Jol can bring out...

Even to have him for a good 2 seasons would be exellent...

IF we sign him and a LW we will have a formidble team...

This is the problem with Dyer, people still talk about him as if he's a young prospect, he's 28 turning 29 in december. He's never going to get close to his form under Robson let alone fulfill his potential. From here the only way for Dyer is down IMO.

Kimbo wrote:This is the problem with Dyer, people still talk about him as if he's a young prospect, he's 28 turning 29 in december. He's never going to get close to his form under Robson let alone fulfill his potential. From here the only way for Dyer is down IMO.

Not really, your assuming, due to his age, he physical attributes will go down, but we've seen players over the years still maintaining that peak level of fitness even at the age of 34...

28 ain't young, but its certinly not old, it should really be his peak years, but due to the constant injuries, it has damaged his confidence and the ability to play at 100% without any worries...

Like I said, an injury free season and we will still see Dyer at his best...Its not just about pace, he has alot of natural ability and technically sound...his just need that confidence back and start enjoying his football more, perhaps moving closer to his family will help him achieve that...
Even for 2 seasons...

Players with good fitness records stay fit well into their 30s, Dyer isn't one of them. Also those players don't rely on pace as their main asset, Dyer isn't going to be doing the roadrunner act at 31 let alone 34.

He's has just had an injury free season pretty much, he's been fit since the start of november, i don't see his performance improving just because he's fit for a longer period of time.

Anyone signing a 28 year old Dyer, with the wages he's on, wants incarcerated.

If he ever reaches the level he was playing at in his early 20s i'll eat my hat. Also, family my arse, a month ago he said he wasn't interested in moving, and now suddenly he's missing his family?!

A Teddy Sheringham can stay in the game till 40 but do you think Henry will , I agree with Kimbo he max has 3-4 seasons.

I dont know if he really ever had the potential to be one of Europes most talented players. He could have been an England regular, and he does tend to excel for England, look like one of their most potent players, when he does play for them. He has a natural intelligence in terms of the runs he can make, he has very good close control, still has tremendous pace and used to have good stamina. Like I said above, I think, certainly after all his injuries, hes simply not capable either physically or mentally of performing at his best week after week - and that is perhaps as much part of the problem as any bad attitude.

But hes never been a great finisher, and hasnt had much range to his passing - the two through balls he made against Hartlepool I mentioned are two of the best Ive seen from him. He still could have been, and still can be on his day, one of the most effective players about. Really hes never been better than he was for Newcastle in the midfield inside Solano, with Shearer and Bellamy up front - the pace of Dyer and Bellamy, Shearers ability to hold the ball up and his intelligence as a footballer, and Solanos creativity, his ability to bring out the best in other players, to spot good runs and to make a team flow, meant that we could rip teams apart and play some genuinely good football, especially going down the right, where I always felt Dyer was able to get to the byline well and cut balls back. Its another flaw of his, partly of his own making, that its not entirely clear what his best position is.

Basically, like I say, for a reasonable price I dont think either side will have done poorly. For what he can bring, considering the type of attacking player he is, I wont be overjoyed to see him go. But considering his ability to play week in week out, his age, and now it seems his desire to leave, to get £4-6 million for him would be a good deal. I would however like us to strengthen with that, whether in an attacking midfielder to replace him, or in a really top class defensive midfielder. I am very happy with everything Allardyce is doing otherwise - with the way he has already revitalised training and fitness, and seemingly done the same to our squad of players - but I cant understand our lack of activity in the transfer market. If the funds are actually available, then someone like Eriksson is making a bit of a mockery of the idea that its difficult to find or bring in good players quickly.

It's the right time to sell tbh, i think he's got a couple of years left on his contract and by that time he'll pretty much be finished. £5m and 80k off the wage bill is too good an opportunity to miss. And lets face it, Dyer offers nothing through the middle that the Zog can't give us.

Personally i would put the money towards a defensive midfielder, we have Zog, Geremi, Barton, Emre and possibly Solano that can play in AM. Also Milner has played there in the past for the U21s and has done ok.

I'd probably start the season with this front 6...



Against the top teams i would put the Zog on the left and put Emre or Solano in the middle.


The lack of transfers is a bit worrying, bugger all seems to be happening. All the rumours are either being denied by Allardyce or are ridiculous. Darth Mort says there is money there, but perhaps it won't be spent until they've finished this review. One things for sure, we aren't going to turn into a mini-Chelsea like some other clubs, thank feck.

2007/2008, the second coming of Luque?

Kimbo wrote:It's the right time to sell tbh, i think he's got a couple of years left on his contract and by that time he'll pretty much be finished. £5m and 80k off the wage bill is too good an opportunity to miss. And lets face it, Dyer offers nothing through the middle that the Zog can't give us.

Personally i would put the money towards a defensive midfielder, we have Zog, Geremi, Barton, Emre and possibly Solano that can play in AM. Also Milner has played there in the past for the U21s and has done ok.

I'd probably start the season with this front 6...

Luque-----Viduka/Owen------Martins/Milner
--------------N'Zogbia-----Geremi--------------
--------------------*New DM*--------------------

Against the top teams i would put the Zog on the left and put Emre or Solano in the middle.


The lack of transfers is a bit worrying, bugger all seems to be happening. All the rumours are either being denied by Allardyce or are ridiculous. Darth Mort says there is money there, but perhaps it won't be spent until they've finished this review. One things for sure, we aren't going to turn into a mini-Chelsea like some other clubs, thank feck.

I agree that we look good for a front three. Theres a small part of me rebels against it because we've been a 4-4-2 team, with proper wingers, since I was young. But we certainly have the players to make it really work. Martins, who I think more than deserves to be in any starting eleven, could play anywhere along the front three, particularly in either wide position, which would give us him, Luque or Duff for the left, with him or Milner on the right. Any of Owen, Viduka or Shola could play in the centre, and so we have lots of options. My only slight concern is that Milner and Solano work well on the right, and I think having Solano behind him helps Milner progress - I still value Solanos contribution to the team - and so I worry he will have less impact with nobody ahead of him, though on the other hand it gives him more space to move into and he would be important linking defense and attack. I agree with you that a defensive midfielder would be my priority.