FANTASTIC news: Schuster targets BALLACK

Hmm. I don't mind if he stays or goes. I like him more than most CFC fans, but I wouldn't exactly cry if he left (esp. if we get a fee). He scored a few important goals (CL vs Porto, FA Cup semi), but he doesn't exactly take the team up a level from what we have. I certainly think it's fair to say that Sidwell >> Ballack.

Real Madrid need to stop tapping up our players.

Like I said repeatedly, Ballack made the wrong choice by joining Chelsea. He simply was too greedy, although I do believe that he would have prefered to play for Madrid / in Spain back then under different circumstances.

Him joining Madrid would be great both for him, and for the club. Under Schuster, who knows him and his qualities very well, he'd show what he is really capable of, just like he does for die Mannschaft in almost every match. He still is one of the best central midfielders in the game, a complete player, perfectly two footed, great vision, great shot, good passing, very strong in the air, scoring quite a lot of goals (just look at his international record) and strong defensively as well.

He could play anywhere in the central midfield, DM or AM. He is exactly the player Real need on that position. I agree with otto, would be great if it happens.

Hardrada wrote:Hmm. I don't mind if he stays or goes. I like him more than most CFC fans, but I wouldn't exactly cry if he left (esp. if we get a fee). He scored a few important goals (CL vs Porto, FA Cup semi), but he doesn't exactly take the team up a level from what we have. I certainly think it's fair to say that Sidwell >> Ballack.

Real Madrid need to stop tapping up our players.

i hope that is a joke coming from a chelsea fan

Mexicanbecks wrote:

Hardrada wrote:Hmm. I don't mind if he stays or goes. I like him more than most CFC fans, but I wouldn't exactly cry if he left (esp. if we get a fee). He scored a few important goals (CL vs Porto, FA Cup semi), but he doesn't exactly take the team up a level from what we have. I certainly think it's fair to say that Sidwell >> Ballack.

Real Madrid need to stop tapping up our players.

i hope that is a joke coming from a chelsea fan

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otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:




Schuster: " Ballack would be EXACTLY THE RIGHT MAN FOR US"



" He would be the link between midfield and attack. He really would be IDEAL"



@ Ballack

PLEASE, don't be proud and say " I want to prove myself at Chelsea"

you are surrounded by pure evil like Lampard, Terry and Moaninho

GO

PLEASE GO

NOW

and lead Real to European glory the GERMAN WAY

with STYLE, PANACHE, FLAIR, WITZ and RUTHLESS EFFICIENCY

funny..when beckham went it was 'only for show..real madrid were a joke'..and now?

..as the manager is german hes bound to pick germans...thats normal..chelsea should sell him..no question..

Let us not forget that we changed our formation purely to accomodate Ballack (and Shevchenko). If we had played the way otto says Ballack wants to play, he would not have made the starting line-up (Essien is a better CM, and Lampard scores a lot more goals. Where could Ballack play?)

You cannot blame Ballack's poor form on the formation either. Like I said, it was altered to accomodate him, but frankly Jose is unimpressed with his form, and realised there are better players at the club and will change the formation back to one which suits us. Lampard is not as good a player as Ballack, but will produce many more goals. Nobody in the world right now can honestly say that 'Ballack > Essien', which simply leaves the DCM role, but then I guess there would be an uproar from otto and our fellow Germans if Ballack was played there, and does he deserve it after Mikel's excellent form last season, and Makelele's the previous 3?

The only way Ballack can play for us is in a 4-4-2 diamond.

I have no probs S4P2 but still think he should have choosen us rather then you because in our team he would have been the main player and would have suit his game(no offence) but now he should stick with his choice and try to prove his is good enough which he is.

Dark Savante wrote:I have no probs S4P2 but still think he should have choosen us rather then you because in our team he would have been the main player and would have suit his game(no offence) but now he should stick with his choice and try to prove his is good enough which he is.

It's fine, but would he have been the main midfielder ahead of Scholes? With Carrick playing as well as he did, would he have necessarily got into the team even? You may have had to change your style like we did simply to accomodate him.

If we got him we wouldn't have gotten Carrick.

I think it would of been Scholes, Carrick & Ballack with Rooney, Ronaldo & Saha in front of them. Giggs benched but with loads of rotatition.

Hard to say because Ballack turned us down before we signed Carrick.

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:
@ Ballack

PLEASE, don't be proud and say " I want to prove myself at Chelsea"

you are surrounded by pure evil like Lampard, Terry and Moaninho

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:
let's hope he shows some brains and wakes up from this English nightmare

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:07-08 is the season of
German - Spanish friendship
(with Metze, Schuster, Schorch, Ballack, Hinkel, Odonkor and Hildebrand earning their Pesetos down under)
it's also the year of
German - French friendship
with Ribery putting toothpaste onto Poldi hotel-room door handle
+
Toni seducing big-bosomed Bavarian girls
ie
Lang lebe Deutschland
Vive la France
Forza Italia
und
Vamos Espana

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:
we should start an official campaign:

FREE BALLACK

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:by the way

I hope you realise the only reason why the Portuguese WHINGER is still at Chelsea is that Klinsmann declined to take over
+
Becks has admitted that Klinsi was instrumental in his move to the USandA

wahre G
the power of Made in Germany

You need help otto. I mean professional help. You have officially flipped your lid. This is where us Brits will come in handy. Or if you prefer, we can ship you off to a country we all know you long to be a citizien of (aka the United States). May I suggest?

Hardly SP4


The germans must be devastated at just how far a renowned world class player's stock has fallen so dramatically in just one season

It's easy to see why they would want him out of chelsea

It's the same reason im disgusted everytime I see flump placed beside gerrard for england

It would be great if Ballack joined real madrid, lets see if the fans take to him like they did becks, me thinks not

S4P wrote:Let us not forget that we changed our formation purely to accomodate Ballack (and Shevchenko). If we had played the way otto says Ballack wants to play, he would not have made the starting line-up (Essien is a better CM, and Lampard scores a lot more goals. Where could Ballack play?)

You cannot blame Ballack's poor form on the formation either. Like I said, it was altered to accomodate him, but frankly Jose is unimpressed with his form, and realised there are better players at the club and will change the formation back to one which suits us. Lampard is not as good a player as Ballack, but will produce many more goals. Nobody in the world right now can honestly say that 'Ballack > Essien', which simply leaves the DCM role, but then I guess there would be an uproar from otto and our fellow Germans if Ballack was played there, and does he deserve it after Mikel's excellent form last season, and Makelele's the previous 3?

The only way Ballack can play for us is in a 4-4-2 diamond.

There would not have been an uproar if Ballack was played in the defensive midfield, I actually suggested that myself a while ago, after analyisng the Chelsea situation in the Chelsea thread. It would have been a workable solution. Ballack's main problem was that while he was playing at the head of the diamond 4-4-2, and Lampard supposedly on the flanks, Lampard simply lacks the tactical discipline for that. He was cutting in all the time, often playing in the position of Ballack, or even worse, further up front as some kind of centre forward.

Since Lampard is simply weak defensively, almost never winning any tackles, he should have played behind the strikers (he actually is more or less a striker himself, to be perfectly honest), and Ballack behind him. That would have cost Ballack some of his goal threat, but he could have helped the team better, exactly what he did for die Mannschaft already also, playing DM in a double pivot 4-4-2.

Ballack would not have had a problem with that, and the German fans would not have had a problem either. In Germany, the team always comes first, for the fans, coaches and players themselves.

its actually funny..if beckham..apparently the most over-rated player in history..had had such a bad first season at madrid im pretty sure he would have been slated by our german friends here...he even gets slated when hes playing well...

imagine if ballack had been half as successful as beckham in his career...how he would be hyped..

ballack is a loser who has only ever won anything in a bayern side in a weak german league.....leverkusen..3 lost 'finals' in a few weeks....germany..no titles..not even at on home soil in a side playing well..

chelsea would be well advised to take the euros..pack his bags and wave 'auf wiedersehen'

dont panic! wrote:its actually funny..if beckham..apparently the most over-rated player in history..had had such a bad first season at madrid im pretty sure he would have been slated by our german friends here...he even gets slated when hes playing well...

imagine if ballack had been half as successful as beckham in his career...how he would be hyped..

ballack is a loser who has only ever won anything in a bayern side in a weak german league.....leverkusen..3 lost 'finals' in a few weeks....germany..no titles..not even at on home soil in a side playing well..

chelsea would be well advised to take the euros..pack his bags and wave 'auf wiedersehen'

Our german friends wont like that post, but it's pretty much spot on

dont panic! wrote:its actually funny..if beckham..apparently the most over-rated player in history..had had such a bad first season at madrid im pretty sure he would have been slated by our german friends here...he even gets slated when hes playing well...

imagine if ballack had been half as successful as beckham in his career...how he would be hyped..

ballack is a loser who has only ever won anything in a bayern side in a weak german league.....leverkusen..3 lost 'finals' in a few weeks....germany..no titles..not even at on home soil in a side playing well..

chelsea would be well advised to take the euros..pack his bags and wave 'auf wiedersehen'

Well trees, by playing in a WC final (or rather taking his team to the final) Ballack has already achieved more on the international level than Beckham could ever hope for. Past, present and future.

dont panic! wrote:its actually funny..if beckham..apparently the most over-rated player in history..had had such a bad first season at madrid im pretty sure he would have been slated by our german friends here...he even gets slated when hes playing well...

imagine if ballack had been half as successful as beckham in his career...how he would be hyped..

ballack is a loser who has only ever won anything in a bayern side in a weak german league.....leverkusen..3 lost 'finals' in a few weeks....germany..no titles..not even at on home soil in a side playing well..

chelsea would be well advised to take the euros..pack his bags and wave 'auf wiedersehen'

you sound really bitter, look at your $h!t players, ballack is more worth than any english player

what about fatty, no other club is interested on this fat coward,

one English paper claims that Chelsea have now put a price on Ballack's head

£27 million



would be hilarious if Chelsea even earned as little as £15 million for Ballack considering that Bayern let him go for free

anyway, the paper concluded that the fact Chelsea put a price on his head AT ALL indicated they were happy to negotiate

Deisler wrote:

dont panic! wrote:its actually funny..if beckham..apparently the most over-rated player in history..had had such a bad first season at madrid im pretty sure he would have been slated by our german friends here...he even gets slated when hes playing well...

imagine if ballack had been half as successful as beckham in his career...how he would be hyped..

ballack is a loser who has only ever won anything in a bayern side in a weak german league.....leverkusen..3 lost 'finals' in a few weeks....germany..no titles..not even at on home soil in a side playing well..

chelsea would be well advised to take the euros..pack his bags and wave 'auf wiedersehen'

you sound really bitter, look at your $h!t players, ballack is more worth than any english player

what about fatty, no other club is interested on this fat coward,

As if he is you muppet. Ballack is only good in a $h!t league...couldn't cope with the premiership.

Michael Carrick > Michael Ballack

last season , its true



Ballack + Drogba at Anfield (it was funny)

Raifael wrote:Michael Carrick > Michael Ballack

last season , its true



Ballack + Drogba at Anfield (it was funny)

Darwin is arguing that Ballack is the origin of all football matter, whilst Bertrand Russell maintains that Terry, the "world class defender", is a figment of our imagination , leaving Schopenhauer to expect the imminent demise of English football in the shape of a pie

wahre G

I wouldn't pay no more than 10 Million Pounds max for Ballack.

what?

20 million and you can have him.

the "what" was directed at dearest otto

my post above is in reply to rai's signature

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as for Ballack

Real offered Milan 90 million Euro

surely, on that basis Ballack is worth at least 120 million

I'd say, Real, pay whatever Chelsea demand and then run for your life

the Russians are gonna come after you once they've realised it was a steal

20 Million pounds would something like 30M EUR.

That's a f@ck load of money, with that we could buy Quaresma!! But probably wont

Anywho, we have Guti, De La Red, Granero that can play in that position.

Ballack isn't worth 12M EUR, let alone 120.

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:

Raifael wrote:Michael Carrick > Michael Ballack

last season , its true



Ballack + Drogba at Anfield (it was funny)

Darwin is arguing that Ballack is the origin of all football matter, whilst Bertrand Russell maintains that Terry, the "world class defender", is a figment of our imagination , leaving Schopenhauer to expect the imminent demise of English football in the shape of a pie

wahre G

Antonio Gramsci - "To tell the truth is revolutionary , Ballack was hopeless"

Ballack's marketing value alone is very high (especially on the most important European market), not even mentioning his footballing ability. Some of you really don't know what you are talking about.

Unfortunately, I don't think that Chelsea will let him leave anytime soon. He just made a contract with Chelsea's sponsor Samsung, for example.

It would be great both for him and Real, but this transfer won't happen unfortunately.