FANTASTIC news: Schuster targets BALLACK

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:
would be hilarious if Chelsea even earned as little as £15 million for Ballack considering that Bayern let him go for free

I take it you haven't got the full gist of the Bosman rule?

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I also love it how you blame Terry for Ballack's failure. Lampard you have a case for, they do after all take up similar positions on the pitch, but how on earth is Terry to blame for Ballack's poor performances?

actually, I mostly blame Mourinho for his ridiculous tactics and system that completely neutralised Ballack

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I blame Lampard and Terry, the true rulers of the dressing room

Ballack himself said his main problem was , he still "had no standing in the team"

ie , the players deliberately cut him out, treat him like a novice who has to earn his spurs

Lampard obviously tries to compete, but Terry is part of the gang

Pizarro just confirmed this , saying Terry even came up to him to effectively tell him very clearly who was the boss in the team

the whole operation stinks to high heaven

the Terry - Flumps salary negotiations are part of this pecking-order-I've-got-the biggest-dick-thinking

@ballack

leave now

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under NO circumstances show them your dick

wahre G

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:actually, I mostly blame Mourinho for his ridiculous tactics and system that completely neutralised Ballack

The ridiculous tactics i.e. Changing the formation to 4-4-2 to accomodate Ballack

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:I blame Lampard and Terry, the true rulers of the dressing room

Ballack himself said his main problem was , he still "had no standing in the team"

ie , the players deliberately cut him out, treat him like a novice who has to earn his spurs

I'd like to see some evidence. Surely you can provide it for me?

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:Lampard obviously tries to compete, but Terry is part of the gang

Ballack's a big lad. No way should Terry and Lampard be able to take his lunch money.

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:Pizarro just confirmed this , saying Terry even came up to him to effectively tell him very clearly who was the boss in the team

Evidence?

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:the whole operation stinks to high heaven

the Terry - Flumps salary negotiations are part of this pecking-order-I've-got-the biggest-dick-thinking

Ballack was on the highest wage until yesterday, a wage he demanded, so does that mean he's been the biggest dick for the past year?

what do you mean "evidence"

Ballack has repeatedly said he did not have any standing in the dressing room yet

in the German press

old stuff; google it and you'll find it

the Pizarro quote is from one of today's English papers

I had a quick flick through a lot of them at a Cafe today

could have been the Mail on Sunday

as for the tactics:

blut has explained you the details already (Flumps with no discipline...)

add ZERO support by the full-backs (Ballack yearned back to the days of Lahm and Sagnol)

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no midfielders crossing inwards either (with guys like Flumps and Robben being way too selfish)

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Ballack was like a fish on Fifth Avenue

lots of traffic zooming past but no worm in sight

well, actually that analogy does not work for a host of reasons but you know what I mean

Ballack must go to Real Madrid. Something happened to him, there's no chemistry having to play with Lampard.

We'll see how Pizarro handles them two overrated fuckos. Perhaps them two fuckos won't make a big fuzz about Claudio because he's making less money than those pieces of shite. So in their eyes, Pizarro's not a threat, yet. Ballack was never welcomed because he was getting paid lots more money just like Sheva.

Puro , what has Lampard done to you to make you so upset ?

Just laugh at this , makes you feel better - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZOpk32xcQM

If Ballack had actually said this, he'd be out by now. As it happens, Mourinho is intent on keeping him, and there have been no rumours coming from the Bridge about any unrest between any players (I don't believe the German press any more than I do the English press).

As for the tactics, if we'd stayed with 4-3-3, Ballack wouldn't have got into the team. We changed to 4-4-2 purely for his (and Sheva's) inclusion.

Raifael wrote:Puro , what has Lampard done to you to make you so upset ?

Just laugh at this , makes you feel better - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZOpk32xcQM

Lampard fucks England up. Flumps fucks Chelsea up hindering their progress in CL. He's good in BPL (albeit Jose caters to him). Sidwell is lots better in my opinion.

He made himself available to any team when Chelsea stopped negotiations, but no team jumped to sign him let alone pay the relatively cheap amount £9 million for him.

Puro wrote:
We'll see how Pizarro handles them two overrated fuckos. Perhaps them two fuckos won't make a big fuzz about Claudio because he's making less money than those pieces of shite. So in their eyes, Pizarro's not a threat, yet. Ballack was never welcomed because he was getting paid lots more money just like Sheva.

Well I'm glad you've cleared this one up puro. You see here at Chelsea we're not bothered about who's playing poorly and who's playing well, we're only worried about what the players earn.

Fact is, Terry was yet again one of our best players (although outshone by Carvalho last season), while Lampard picked up 20 goals. I don't particularly like Lampard, but on last season's performances it's unbelievable that Ballack was earning more than him, and unbelievable (borderline disgraceful) that Sheva was the highest earning player.

Is Terry supposed to be overrated?

Some of the stuff you non-Englanders come out with is comedy gold

Terry is one of the best CB's in the Premiership.

Terry is a Manchester United fan , so he is no way overrated

Never mind the Premiership, he is one of the best in Europe.

He had his injury problems last year, something that alot of people have already forgotten. A fully fit JT and Carvalho is a World Class partnership.

The difference is...If Terry has a poor game...we say he was poor. If
England play poor...we say it.

If Germany or Klose or Solano play poor...we either hear excuse after excuse or simply hear that they were indeed great.

Podolski is one of the shittest strikers around and yet Otto would f@ck 10oz of $h!t out of him.

Ok, you Chelsea fans don't rate and want Ballack. Fair enough. Please start a petition to convince your board to sell him to Madrid ASAP then. The German fans will be most grateful, and promise that you'll never see a German player at your club again in future. Deal?

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:Is Terry supposed to be overrated?

Some of the stuff you non-Englanders come out with is comedy gold

Terry is one of the best CB's in the Premiership.

No, you just don't get it Hammer. Terry enjoys that "protection", I believe some posters even gave it a name. Terry is SHITE relatively speaking next to the elite central defenders. Gallas, Carvalho just to name two, are so much better CB's.

I remember the media saying "Chelsea miss Terry" last season. NO THEY DIDN'T. Chelsea missed Cech, AND Mourinho made a huge mistake playing Essien as RB leaving Makélelé all alone as stop plug in DM duties.

Jose realized his blunder and moved Essien back to midfield with Makélelé. Moving Essien back to midfield gave Chelsea a chance. It wasn't Terry at all.

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:Is Terry supposed to be overrated?

It's Terry's fault that Ballack showed no effort on the pitch at times. That's why the fans started to get on his back; Terry found out who was going to the game, phoned us all up and told us to heckle Ballack if he started to show no effort again.

By the way, I'd better add the fact that Terry did this on Lampard's say-so.

They missed Cech and Terry. I don't know why you slag him off, it's clear you are doing it for no reason. He's top class...you won't find many better. By no means are Carvalho or Gallas any better.

blutgraetsche wrote:Ok, you Chelsea fans don't rate and want Ballack. Fair enough. Please start a petition to convince your board to sell him to Madrid ASAP then. The German fans will be most grateful, and promise that you'll never see a German player at your club again in future. Deal?

I do want him, because I honestly believe he will have a much better 2nd season.

But it's when I hear $h!t such as "Ballack was hard done by", "It's not Ballack's fault that he showed such little effort and commitment at times, it's Terry and Lampard's fault for ganging up on him" etc that I feel pissed off.

I think many fans were also annoyed by Ballack over the operation thing. As he could still play without the operation, he was told to wait til the end of the season (only 4-5 games) and then have an operation, like Terry and Sheva (and Lampard the season before). Instead, he did what he wanted to do and had the operation, whilst still reeling in £19,000 a day in wages. If I were part of the CFC board, I'd have cancelled his wages until the end of the season, but they stuck by him, despite feeling betrayed.

If he has another poor season, then good, let him f@ck off. Fact is, only Michael Ballack can be blamed for Ballack's poor season by his standards.

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:They missed Cech and Terry. I don't know why you slag him off, it's clear you are doing it for no reason. He's top class...you won't find many better. By no means are Carvalho or Gallas any better.

Alright Hammer you believe that. You know what I believe regarding Terry and Lampard.

I tell you what, keep an eye on Sidwell. Now, there's a player. Yo Jose! let the player play!

Puro wrote:

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:They missed Cech and Terry. I don't know why you slag him off, it's clear you are doing it for no reason. He's top class...you won't find many better. By no means are Carvalho or Gallas any better.

Alright Hammer you believe that. You know what I believe regarding Terry and Lampard.

I tell you what, keep an eye on Sidwell. Now, there's a player. Yo Jose! let the player play!

I won't speak about Lampard other than he is a fat overrated piece of $h!t. Chelsea paid us £12m for him

Terry on the other hand is a top class CB.

S4P wrote:
I do want him, because I honestly believe he will have a much better 2nd season.

But it's when I hear $h!t such as "Ballack was hard done by", "It's not Ballack's fault that he showed such little effort and commitment at times, it's Terry and Lampard's fault for ganging up on him" etc that I feel pissed off.

I think many fans were also annoyed by Ballack over the operation thing. As he could still play without the operation, he was told to wait til the end of the season (only 4-5 games) and then have an operation, like Terry and Sheva (and Lampard the season before). Instead, he did what he wanted to do and had the operation, whilst still reeling in £19,000 a day in wages. If I were part of the CFC board, I'd have cancelled his wages until the end of the season, but they stuck by him, despite feeling betrayed.

If he has another poor season, then good, let him f@ck off. Fact is, only Michael Ballack can be blamed for Ballack's poor season by his standards.

That's the one thing I didn't like about Ballack, having the operation. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and play especially when you're making all that money.

You have to understand German mentality though, they won't play unless they're 100% healthy. If they're not healthy, they'd rather have someone else take their place in the team. I'm not saying they're quitters, they just believe if there's someone 100% healthey, they'd rather have that player play instead.

interesting article about Ballack and the importance of "sponsorship deals" to his club choices

it's always Adidas, CocaCola...-clubs

surely, his global exposure would be FAR BIGGER at Real though

therefore, unless he is tied to Chelsea by the likes of Samsung, a move would be rather canny

http://www.sportbild.de/sportbild/generated/article/fussball/2007/07/27/6729400000.html

it could boil down to his family not wanting to move yet again

I know that was the reason for Lehmann staying even when he wanted to leave

Puro wrote:
You have to understand German mentality though, they won't play unless they're 100% healthy. If they're not healthy, they'd rather have someone else take their place in the team. I'm not saying they're quitters, they just believe if there's someone 100% healthey, they'd rather have that player play instead.

Fair enough, but imo that does make them quitters. They're happy for someone else to finish off the job they played a part of. At Chelsea that attitude just isn't allowed (as you'll have noticed watching our games last season). If Ballack shows that attitude again this season, you just know that Mourinho'll kick his arse out the door, which may benefit all people. Ballack gets an escape and Chelsea get a profit on a player who maybe just wasn't cut out for the Premiership.

S4P wrote:
I do want him, because I honestly believe he will have a much better 2nd season.

But it's when I hear $h!t such as "Ballack was hard done by", "It's not Ballack's fault that he showed such little effort and commitment at times, it's Terry and Lampard's fault for ganging up on him" etc that I feel pissed off.

I think many fans were also annoyed by Ballack over the operation thing. As he could still play without the operation, he was told to wait til the end of the season (only 4-5 games) and then have an operation, like Terry and Sheva (and Lampard the season before). Instead, he did what he wanted to do and had the operation, whilst still reeling in £19,000 a day in wages. If I were part of the CFC board, I'd have cancelled his wages until the end of the season, but they stuck by him, despite feeling betrayed.

If he has another poor season, then good, let him f@ck off. Fact is, only Michael Ballack can be blamed for Ballack's poor season by his standards.

You blame him for his injury? WTF? He proved that your inept doctors made a mistake, and that the injury could have cost him the career, yet you still blame him for it?

I know it's unrealistic, but the more I hear about it, the more I want him to leave Chelsea ASAP. And this will hopefuly be a warning example for other (high profile) German players interested in moving to the EPL in future.

blutgraetsche wrote:Ok, you Chelsea fans don't rate and want Ballack. Fair enough. Please start a petition to convince your board to sell him to Madrid ASAP then. The German fans will be most grateful, and promise that you'll never see a German player at your club again in future. Deal?

No sensible Chelsea fan desperately wants rid of him. He's been OK, scored a few crucial goals and his wage isn't even that important since he was on a free. It's ridiculous to blame his problems on Lampard though. Ballack got given the preferential position at the top of the diamond and Lampard got shunted out to the side. Sure Lampard isn't the best at this, but Ballack managed to have far too small an impact in a lot of games considering his class, experience and the fact he was playing in such an influential position.

We have no problem with German players, we liked Huth just fine.

Sometimes I reckon the player himself has to take some of the blame for having a Cr@p season...crazy idea I know.

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:it could boil down to his family not wanting to move yet again

I know that was the reason for Lehmann staying even when he wanted to leave

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6594633.stm

blutgraetsche wrote:You blame him for his injury? WTF? He proved that your inept doctors made a mistake, and that the injury could have cost him the career, yet you still blame him for it?

Oh that's just such a load of rubbish.

blutgraetsche wrote:
You blame him for his injury? WTF? He proved that your inept doctors made a mistake, and that the injury could have cost him the career, yet you still blame him for it?

I know it's unrealistic, but the more I hear about it, the more I want him to leave Chelsea ASAP. And this will hopefuly be a warning example for other (high profile) German players interested in moving to the EPL in future.

Jesus christ, are you people retarded or something?! I just said that I'm not blaming him for his injury, I'm blaming him for his attitude. Ballack was told by our doctors and a German specialist that he could see out the rest of the season, but must have the operation soon after.

Anyway, even if the injury had to be cured that moment, he still did not inform the club until after the operation. If I did something of the equivalent at my office, without telling my bosses, I'd be sacked with immediate effect.

As for the German players, I guess with your 'endless supply of talent' it's gonna be hard to keep them away from the Prem.

Hardrada wrote:


No sensible Chelsea fan desperately wants rid of him. He's been OK, scored a few crucial goals and his wage isn't even that important since he was on a free. It's ridiculous to blame his problems on Lampard though. Ballack got given the preferential position at the top of the diamond and Lampard got shunted out to the side. Sure Lampard isn't the best at this, but Ballack managed to have far too small an impact in a lot of games considering his class, experience and the fact he was playing in such an influential position.

We have no problem with German players, we liked Huth just fine.

Sometimes I reckon the player himself has to take some of the blame for having a Cr@p season...crazy idea I know.

First of all, nobody said that others / tactics are solely to blame for his poor / average / whatever season, but they definitely are part of the problem. This is not an excuse, this is facts based on countless observations. Of course Ballack has to blame himself foremost (actually, he should blame himself for moving there in first place), when did Ballack himself ever complain about others anyway? He actually blamed himself for not being able to show his full potential yet.

It's funny that you guys seriously deny that there is a problem in the Chelsea midfield with having two similar players (Lampard & Ballack) standing on each others toes, yet none of you will question the fact that this is one of the main reasons why England hasn't really performed in ages also (Lampard & Gerrard in this case).

Hardrada wrote:
Oh that's just such a load of rubbish.

Well, it's not. Your own doc admitted his mistake.