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    Post by Dwarf Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:51 am


    José Mourinho signalled an end to Chelsea’s “Untouchables” era yesterday, but it seemed an odd time to announce that no one is guaranteed a place in the side. Chelsea’s injury crisis is so severe that anyone not on the treatment table is virtually sure of a place in the team for the Barclays Premier League opener against Birmingham City.

    Chelsea’s problems worsened yesterday when only 11 outfield players were deemed fit enough for training. In an open session at Stamford Bridge, there were more players left in the dressing-room than on the pitch, with Ashley Cole and Petr Cech the latest additions to a 13-strong injury list that leaves Mourinho struggling to raise a side for Sunday. Frank Lampard, Michael Essien, Joe Cole, John Obi Mikel and Ricardo Carvalho were the only first-team regulars to train.

    Mourinho’s mood was so bleak that the manager refused to take questions on the club’s injury problems after the defeat by Manchester United in the Community Shield last weekend and it will not have improved in the past few days. Glen Johnson (calf) and Florent Malouda (dead leg) received knocks against United, with Cole (thigh) and Cech (hand) suffering injuries in training on Monday.

    Cech’s problem is the most serious because his absence with a fractured skull for four months last season was arguably the most crucial factor in Chelsea’s failure to retain the league title. The Czech Republic international initially injured a wrist on Chelsea’s preseason tour to the United States and, after aggravating it, is a serious doubt for Sunday.

    Carlo Cudicini and Hilário were found wanting when called on to fill in last season for Cech, whose absence could also leave Mourinho struggling to fill the bench. Hilário was named as an outfield substitute for the Community Shield.

    Mourinho is hopeful that Cole, Malouda and Johnson will recover in time for the weekend, although John Terry, Michael Ballack, Wayne Bridge, Arjen Robben, Andriy Shevchenko and Didier Drogba are definitely out, with Claude Makelele, Salomon Kalou and Paulo Ferreira doubtful. Given such problems, it came as little surprise to hear Mourinho tell his fringe players that they can expect more matches as he rotates the side with greater frequency this season, with his notion of having so-called “Untouchables” being consigned to the past.

    “I think nobody is silly,” he told Chelsea TV. “Everybody is intelligent to understand that we play around 60 matches a season and no one plays 60 matches and even if you are not first-choice at the beginning of the season, you know that, step by step, you will get matches.

    “I think last season, every player played more than 20 matches. They know at Chelsea it is not easy to play, but at the same time they know Chelsea normally progresses in every competition. They reach finals or semis.

    “It means we are playing for lots of things, a lot of matches, we need rotation, the players know it’s difficult, but at the same time they know that the chances will be here.”

    Steve Sidwell is one individual hoping to take advantage of others’ misfortune after impressing during preseason. “You get bad luck like injuries, but we haven’t got time to dwell on it,” the former Reading midfield player said. “The season is coming so people who are injured will have to take their time coming back. We have a big enough squad with players who can come in.

    “It’s a chance for some of the new faces. It’s not nice to see injuries, but it opens up doors and opportunities for other players. If they do well, it will give the gaffer more confidence that he can throw them in at the deep end again. Other clubs might think it’s a good time to play Chelsea, but we have plenty of players wanting to make their mark.”

    I can't remember many worse, if any, but that's up there.
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    Post by Mexicanbecks Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:13 am

    wow, that is absolutely ridiculous...
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    Post by robert Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:41 am

    Begining of 02/03 i'm sure we had one that was up there. We had 9 of the starting 11 out. For some matches. I also remember some squad injuries as well.

    Edit: I also forgot about Maureen's 1st season at Chelsea, and the 1st match he played against us. the team we had on the park was ridiculous.


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    Post by Rez Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:51 am

    @Robert

    it was the 04-05 season, in our first game against Chelsea at the bridge, we had 7 first teamers out I think and Roy Keane had to play as a centre back.
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    Post by robert Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:53 am

    No i'm pretty sure that 02/03 was worse than o4/05. The thing that sticks out in my mind is that we had just bought this 30 million pound defender who could barely start 2 matches in a row constantly picking up some knock or another.
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    Post by DD Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:00 am

    To recap,
    Fit to play: Frank Lampard (broken toe!!), Michael Essien, Joe Cole, John Obi Mikel and Ricardo Carvalho

    Injured: John Terry, Michael Ballack, Wayne Bridge, Arjen Robben, Andriy Shevchenko, Didier Drogba

    Doubtful: Claude Makelele, Salomon Kalou, Paulo Ferreira, Glen Johnson (calf), Florent Malouda (dead leg), Ashley Cole (thigh) and Cech (hand)
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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:02 am

    No-one's pointed out that this is against a background of Mourinho's stated intention of having a squad of 25 senior players. That's great when you've not got injury problems, but these things happen to all teams.

    He can't whinge now about lack of cover.

    One of the reasons that Man U, 06/07 season was so much better than 05/06 was the much better injury record (another was the fact that Ronaldo doesn't get injured much). But at least Fergie's got a big squad to help him cope.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:50 am

    Roger Hunt wrote:No-one's pointed out that this is against a background of Mourinho's stated intention of having a squad of 25 senior players. That's great when you've not got injury problems, but these things happen to all teams.

    He can't whinge now about lack of cover.

    Exactly - you spend 300 million in four years on a squad, subsiding its wage to the tune of another 40 or 50 million a season and you should be able to cope with an outbreak of the fucking plague, let alone a few knocks.

    And I thought that was what academies were for - providing good young players to fill in when you're desperate for cover. Maybe if Chelsea hasn't treated their academy as a means of preventing their rivals from getting certain young players then they wouldn't be in a pickle over this.

    One of the reasons that Man U, 06/07 season was so much better than 05/06 was the much better injury record (another was the fact that Ronaldo doesn't get injured much). But at least Fergie's got a big squad to help him cope.

    I'm not sure it was so much better - only 6 more points at the end of the season. And they did lose Saha for as long as Cech was out, and Park was injured for almost all the season, and then they lost their entire back four in one go. But I take your point - the really key players were fit all season.
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    Post by Batman Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:30 pm

    Start of the 2004/2005 season:

    Chelsea 1-0 Man Utd, Sunday, 15 August, 2004.

    Man Utd: Howard, Silvestre, Gary Neville, Keane, Fortune, Miller, O'Shea, Djemba-Djemba, Giggs, Scholes, Smith.

    Subs: Ricardo, Phil Neville, Bellion, Richardson, Forlan.

    Players missing: Ferdinand, Brown, Heinze, Fletcher, Kleberson, Ronaldo, Rooney, Solskjaer, van Nistelrooy.
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    Post by DD Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:34 pm

    Batman wrote:Start of the 2004/2005 season:

    Chelsea 1-0 Man Utd, Sunday, 15 August, 2004.

    Man Utd: Howard, Silvestre, Gary Neville, Keane, Fortune, Miller, O'Shea, Djemba-Djemba, Giggs, Scholes, Smith.

    Subs: Ricardo, Phil Neville, Bellion, Richardson, Forlan.

    Players missing: Ferdinand, Brown, Heinze, Fletcher, Kleberson, Ronaldo, Rooney, Solskjaer, van Nistelrooy.
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    That first XI didn't even stand a chance.
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    Post by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:35 pm

    Wappened to all the promising youngsters Chelsea have been harvesting over the last 3 or 4 years? It seems every other week they're snapping up the latest wonderkid from Hartlepool or Legia Warssaw. Give little Johnny Hotpants and Jakub Novowels a go ok
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    Post by Batman Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:37 pm

    DD wrote:
    Batman wrote:Start of the 2004/2005 season:

    Chelsea 1-0 Man Utd, Sunday, 15 August, 2004.

    Man Utd: Howard, Silvestre, Gary Neville, Keane, Fortune, Miller, O'Shea, Djemba-Djemba, Giggs, Scholes, Smith.

    Subs: Ricardo, Phil Neville, Bellion, Richardson, Forlan.

    Players missing: Ferdinand, Brown, Heinze, Fletcher, Kleberson, Ronaldo, Rooney, Solskjaer, van Nistelrooy.
    Laughing
    That first XI didn't even stand a chance.

    Here is the Chelsea team from that game:

    Chelsea: Cech, Paulo Ferreira, Gallas, Terry, Bridge, Geremi, Makelele, Lampard, Smertin, Drogba, Gudjohnsen.

    Subs: Cudicini, Mutu, Kezman, Parker, Ricardo Carvalho.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:39 pm

    Glenn Hysén wrote:Wappened to all the promising youngsters Chelsea have been harvesting over the last 3 or 4 years? It seems every other week they're snapping up the latest wonderkid from Hartlepool or Legia Warssaw. Give little Johnny Hotpants and Jakub Novowels a go ok


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    Post by Hardrada Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:48 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:No-one's pointed out that this is against a background of Mourinho's stated intention of having a squad of 25 senior players. That's great when you've not got injury problems, but these things happen to all teams.

    He can't whinge now about lack of cover.

    He hasn't been whinging, he just said we have a lot of injuries. This is true.

    25 senior players is the normal size for a squad. Having more than that is infeasible as if we were to be lucky with injuries too many players wouldn't get games, which would be a problem since basically all of our 25 seniors are international class at least.

    13 injuries isn't something that can realistically be planned for. It would hugely affect any team in the world. Especially when the players involved include the top striker, the GK and the captain. As it is we will cope better than nearly anyone else could, which is perhaps expected.

    Cudicini; Ben Haim, Alex, Carvalho, A.Cole (?); SWP, Essien, Sidwell, Lampard, J.Cole; Pizarro

    or something

    Re. Our Youngsters

    Our academy is vastly improved from its state of a few years ago, but these things do take time.

    Our most promising youngsters (Sahar, Mancienne) are currently on loan as it is believed they would not get enough 1st team experience with us. Scott Sinclair has been promoted to the first team squad and has featured in most of our pre-season games including the CS on Sunday - he will get games this season (esp. if Robben leaves). Players like Worley, Woods or Hutchinson who have featured in pre-season have promising futures, but are simply not ready to play in the PL yet.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:53 pm

    Roger Hunterrific wrote: I'm not sure it was so much better - only 6 more points at the end of the season. And they did lose Saha for as long as Cech was out, and Park was injured for almost all the season, and then they lost their entire back four in one go. But I take your point - the really key players were fit all season.

    To be honest (and this is not a point about Chelsea or Man U, just a general observation), it's not the number of players injured, it's about losing cover in key positions.

    If you lose 3 out of 4 central defenders it's much worse than losing a striker, a couple of midfielders and an defender for example. It's one of the reasons that there's more luck than many people want to admit in league placings. The year that Everton finished above us they had a great injury record and we had a rotten one. That can easily make 6-12 points difference over a season.
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    Post by Luis Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:54 pm

    Djemba-Djemba Laugh
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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:58 pm

    Hardrada wrote: 25 senior players is the normal size for a squad. Having more than that is infeasible as if we were to be lucky with injuries too many players wouldn't get games, which would be a problem since basically all of our 25 seniors are international class at least.

    Don't agree. There was a lot of comment when Jose said he wanted 22-23 senior players. A quick look at BBC sport (so don't shoot me if the facts are wrong) says there are 30 players in the Chelsea squad and 36 in the Man U squad. The benefit of less players is, as you say, less rotation and therefore keeing people happy. The cost is that injuries can hit you harder.

    Hardrada wrote: 13 injuries isn't something that can realistically be planned for. It would hugely affect any team in the world. Especially when the players involved include the top striker, the GK and the captain. As it is we will cope better than nearly anyone else could, which is perhaps expected.

    Agreed, no-one could shrug off 13 injuries. But another 6 players in your squad would surely help?
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:01 pm

    Hardrada wrote:
    Roger Hunt wrote:No-one's pointed out that this is against a background of Mourinho's stated intention of having a squad of 25 senior players. That's great when you've not got injury problems, but these things happen to all teams.

    He can't whinge now about lack of cover.

    He hasn't been whinging,

    He does keep on about injuries but puts a disclaimer in every sentence.

    'I won't moan about injuries but....'

    'I don't want to talk about injuries but....'

    Rolling Eyes

    Seems to have worked for some media groups as well. Sky Sports News even said we had a fully fit squad on Sunday, while Chelsea are down to the bare bones. Laughing
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    Post by Lard Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:05 pm

    What's happenend to Mourinho, the guy who's interviews used to be fun to watch is now boring and negative all the time. No jokes anymore just excuse and negativity, does he ever smile anymore?
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    Post by S4P Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:07 pm

    To be fair, it's more the media who have started this whole injury crisis saga this season. In all the recent interviews with Jose, questions along the lines of "And you haven't had the best of pre-seasons with injuries have you?" have popped up.
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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:09 pm

    L.r.d wrote:What's happenend to Mourinho, the guy who's interviews used to be fun to watch is now boring and negative all the time. No jokes anymore just excuse and negativity, does he ever smile anymore?

    It's like Benitez said, he's friendly with people as long as he's beating them. He was cheerful when he was winning....
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    Post by Hardrada Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:11 pm

    Roger Hunt wrote:
    Hardrada wrote: 25 senior players is the normal size for a squad. Having more than that is infeasible as if we were to be lucky with injuries too many players wouldn't get games, which would be a problem since basically all of our 25 seniors are international class at least.

    Don't agree. There was a lot of comment when Jose said he wanted 22-23 senior players. A quick look at BBC sport (so don't shoot me if the facts are wrong) says there are 30 players in the Chelsea squad and 36 in the Man U squad. The benefit of less players is, as you say, less rotation and therefore keeing people happy. The cost is that injuries can hit you harder.
    Hmmm on wikipedia they have 28 1st team squad players (without Tevez), we have 27 (without Alex yet). Last season I would agree that our squad was definitely too small and Mourinho had only himself to blame really for having 3 CBs instead of 4.

    If you take away (for comparison)

    Injured: Vidic, Heinze, Giggs, Carrick, Rooney, Saha

    Doubtful: Hargreaves, Evra, Park, Nani, Van der Saar, Neville, Brown

    I think ManU's problems would be equal and their 5 or so token extra squad players wouldn't leave them better off than us.
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    Post by DD Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:14 pm

    Park is not doubtful, he's recuperating from leg surgery.

    Saha is injured again? Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Hardrada Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:16 pm

    DD wrote:Park is not doubtful, he's recuperating from leg surgery.

    Saha is injured again? Rolling Eyes

    No, that's not an actual injury list. That's just what ManU's list would look like were it the equivalent of what Chelsea have now. I was trying to show that squad depth isn't Chelsea's problem and that losing 13 players would severely affect anyone - even with ManU's squad which is supposedly much deeper than ours.

    But yes, I believe Saha is actually injured.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:26 pm

    Foster, Evans, Neville, Park, Saha, Solskjaer - Injured

    Scholes, Hargreaves, Anderson - Doubtful.


    That is our current injury list.
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    Post by debaser Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:30 pm

    Hardrada wrote:
    DD wrote:Park is not doubtful, he's recuperating from leg surgery.

    Saha is injured again? Rolling Eyes

    No, that's not an actual injury list. That's just what ManU's list would look like were it the equivalent of what Chelsea have now. I was trying to show that squad depth isn't Chelsea's problem and that losing 13 players would severely affect anyone - even with ManU's squad which is supposedly much deeper than ours.

    But yes, I believe Saha is actually injured.
    if we lost 13 players, we'd have 7 left!
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