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    Post by fcb Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:06 pm

    The bookies may as well close the book on Milan winning the CL now Rolling Eyes
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    Post by Tweesus Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:29 pm

    Milan are dreadful! Won't get UEFA football at this rate
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    Post by Super Progress Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:06 pm

    I wonder how kaka will react to this.Whistle
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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:23 pm

    @kas- you make this comment every week. Do you think Milan did not deserve to win the CL last year? Well, you probably think that they did not deserve to be there to begin with. But let's leave that to one side...did they not storm their way to the Final?

    Ancelotti will not be sacked. I think the Scudetto is well beyond reach, but we can still leave a mark domestically this season.

    As for Kaka, he will not leave Milan. Mijatovic even admitted how it is virtually impossible to sign him. Mark my words, this team will react. There is hope yet.
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    Post by fcb Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:26 pm

    Yes, I indeed felt they did not deserve to be there. The comment about being favourites for the CL refers to the fact that with Milan out of the running for the Scudetto, the key players can be rested before the big knockout matches in Feb/March/April.
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    Post by Parks lives Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:26 pm

    Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:@kas- you make this comment every week. Do you think Milan did not deserve to win the CL last year? Well, you probably think that they did not deserve to be there to begin with. But let's leave that to one side...did they not storm their way to the Final?

    I agree with Kas though 100% and I really like Milan.

    Milan and Liverpool had a huge advantage over Man United and Chelsea by the time it come to the semi finals.
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    Post by robert Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:54 pm

    kas wrote:The bookies may as well close the book on Milan winning the CL now Rolling Eyes

    I agree.
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    Post by robert Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:56 pm

    Also I almost fell off my couch laughing at De Rossi's penalty. Holy $h!t, they must have taken major real piss out of him in the dressing room. Already a contender for funniest moment of the season.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:15 pm

    AC Milan 0-1 Roma (Goal + Penalty miss)
    https://www.dailymotion.com/search/de+rossi/video/x3bo43_ac-milan-01-as-roma_sport

    I remember Crouch tried the same penalty in a friendly before the World Cup in Germany.
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    Post by Pirlo Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:18 pm

    Just got back from the match, and yet more disappointment and yet more travel!

    Interms of result, disappointing, but in terms of performance certainly an encouragement from last round. Gilardino had a really magnificent match today without having the fortune to convert his aerial supremacy, he worked really hard, had one or two good interplay with Kaka and worked Roma's backline well.

    Pirlo looked off the pace and length, a couple of superb balls early in the match to spread play and a delicious reverse, but otherwise his range was off and he was caught square on the ball a few times, i've rarely seen him so animated and frustrated with a referee either! Cafu was brilliant, his energy is unreal and he had a couple of good adventures to the touchline. Kaka was a reasonable performance, he played a wonderful ball for Pirlo which unfortunately Andy delayed the read on the run so Doni was able to smother.

    Even Dida had a good match, he made at least three outstanding saves and wasn't at the fault of the goal. In terms of formation, Roma did a fantastic job of stopping Pirlo from facing their goal, he was forced to play the ball back, they also like Liverpool in the ECL final pressed our defence and deeper midfield stopping us building play and forcing us to play long a few times. It looked toward the end of the match that we were returning the favour but in the end we didn't have the discipline or energy to keep it up.
    We were really caught out for the goal though, Cicinho was a threat today with his pace and runs, we were caught too narrow and advanced, we let the space in behind for the cross and Ambrosini should have closed him down more agressively rather than stand off. Vucinic as always did a fantastic job of ghosting in front of his marker and it was a splendid header.

    Rossetti as always had a complete farce of a match, he is one of the worst referees to assign to a match like this, he takes the pace and flow out of matches and is ridiculously fussy with his cards. We feel at the moment that we just aren't getting the luck from referees, a lot of sillly decisions went against us today, but maybe in part due to the poor organisation of the midfield at times that forced Ambrosini and Pirlo to make tactical fouls. De Rossi's penalty was a rather strange decision, best leave those types to the spoon specialists, but Roma aren't having much luck in percentages of penalty conversions in recent seasons!

    We looked better in fluidity but a poor piece of defence and organisation cost us, there was another opportunity with Cicinho's drive from 20 yards where we were caught too congested and narrow and Roma only had to spread the play to cause us problems.

    In term of atmosphere, it was a much more packed stadium that last week, and especially after the sending off and the penalty the noise rose , most of the tirade was directed at rosetti and there was vociferous anger at Ancelotti and the team after the whistle, about five of us went and had a small banner for Pirlo, but another tiring day and disappointing result. We need Ronaldo and Pato as soon as possible, Ronaldo's return is delay after delay, its a ridiculous situation, and in january there are definately new players needed, especially for the defence, but today i heard an interesting piece of news; while Ancelotti is handicapped really in terms of the players available to him - and of course the availability influecnes his selection and tactic, but those at the club say that he has had several confrontations with the technical staff higher up the club over player transfers, they aren't giving him the players he has requested!
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    Post by Forza Italia!Forza Milan! Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:19 pm

    Here's how it's done, De Rossi:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWBRvMi_nzk
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    Post by 3zycupid Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:29 pm

    FT Genoa 0 - 0 Fiorentina
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    Post by 3zycupid Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:49 pm

    Standing After Game Week 9

    01.Inter Milan 21
    02.Roma 18
    03.Fiorentina 17
    04.Juventus 17
    05.Udinese 15
    06.Napoli 14
    07.Atalanta 14
    08.Catania Calcio 13
    09.Palermo 13
    10.Genoa 13
    11.Torino 11
    12.Sampdoria 11
    13.AC Milan 10
    14.Lazio 10
    15.Parma 9
    16.Cagliari 8
    17.Empoli 8
    18.Siena 7
    19.Reggina 5
    20.Livorno 2

    Well done Palermo Smile
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    Post by Tweesus Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:55 pm

    Good to see Udinese still up there and Di Natale's form doesn't look like dropping
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    Post by Deano Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:18 pm

    12th Neutral...I was hoping we'd be doing better. Even the scum are in 10th!
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    Post by Red n' Black Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:26 pm

    Pirlo wrote:he has had several confrontations with the technical staff higher up the club over player transfers, they aren't giving him the players he has requested!

    Good point Pirlo, this situation is so sad TBH. Berlusconi, one of the richest people in the world, does not seem too keen on investing anymore, unless its for Ronaldinho. However he won't spend a dime to reinforce the club with some much needed transfers and we are stuck with back-ups that absolutely suck! Doh I don't even pay attention to what he and that other moron Uncle Fester have to say anymore. Maybe its understandable, since they've been at the helm for almost two decades and they've won absolutely everything. Berlusca is the most successful club president ever and he has won more than 25 trophies, i think. And he used to spend a lot and buy great players but these days i don't think he cares too much, there is no motivation.

    And Ancelotti won't be sacked, cause he is obviously a very 'convenient' choice. They know that a new manager would DEMAND big spending and quite a few players. As i said many times, i think we will do well in the CL but i don't really care, since it was apparent that we did not have the squad depth nor the right mentality to challenge for the league. I respect Forza's opinion, but IMO even if we somehow end up winning the CL again, this management deserves serious criticism.
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    Post by Rez Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:35 am

    Cesc wrote:AC Milan 0-1 Roma (Goal + Penalty miss)
    https://www.dailymotion.com/search/de+rossi/video/x3bo43_ac-milan-01-as-roma_sport

    I remember Crouch tried the same penalty in a friendly before the World Cup in Germany.

    lol!

    What was De Rossi thinking, luckily for him they still went on to win the game.

    I thought Milan after the mid week CL game had turned a corner, but they seem to play badly for 3 games then brilliantly in the next 1.

    If they don't sort themselves out soon, they won't qualify for the CL, unless they win it again, which they probably will now the league is out of reach.
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    Post by Rez Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:48 am

    Red n' Black wrote:
    Pirlo wrote:he has had several confrontations with the technical staff higher up the club over player transfers, they aren't giving him the players he has requested!

    Good point Pirlo, this situation is so sad TBH. Berlusconi, one of the richest people in the world, does not seem too keen on investing anymore, unless its for Ronaldinho. However he won't spend a dime to reinforce the club with some much needed transfers and we are stuck with back-ups that absolutely suck! Doh I don't even pay attention to what he and that other moron Uncle Fester have to say anymore. Maybe its understandable, since they've been at the helm for almost two decades and they've won absolutely everything. Berlusca is the most successful club president ever and he has won more than 25 trophies, i think. And he used to spend a lot and buy great players but these days i don't think he cares too much, there is no motivation.

    And Ancelotti won't be sacked, cause he is obviously a very 'convenient' choice. They know that a new manager would DEMAND big spending and quite a few players. As i said many times, i think we will do well in the CL but i don't really care, since it was apparent that we did not have the squad depth nor the right mentality to challenge for the league. I respect Forza's opinion, but IMO even if we somehow end up winning the CL again, this management deserves serious criticism.

    I really don't understand why Milan don't buy players these days, the club must have so much money without even taking into account the owners fortune.

    Ancelotti has an awesome record in the CL, but not ta very good record in in the league.

    At this point in time, Inter are light years ahead of Milan, Roma appear to be overtaking Milan and with Juve back in the league, so Milan could be soon be left behind in Seri A. I think Milan need a new manager and some new players next season to stop this from happening.
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    Post by bluenine Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:54 am

    I hear ya, dude.... frustating game for a Milan fan, coz Roma dominated the play for a large period at the san siro... and you can't blame the usual suspects - Gila had a great game, and Dida was pretty good too... Milan lost the game where they usually never do - the midfield!! Ambrosini, Pirlo and Gattuso were off colour, and that is suicide against a team like Roma.

    now 11 points off Inter, you guys look lost. Maybe a coaching chance at this point may not be a bad idea... you need some fresh ideas.

    Pirlo wrote:Just got back from the match, and yet more disappointment and yet more travel!

    Interms of result, disappointing, but in terms of performance certainly an encouragement from last round. Gilardino had a really magnificent match today without having the fortune to convert his aerial supremacy, he worked really hard, had one or two good interplay with Kaka and worked Roma's backline well.

    Pirlo looked off the pace and length, a couple of superb balls early in the match to spread play and a delicious reverse, but otherwise his range was off and he was caught square on the ball a few times, i've rarely seen him so animated and frustrated with a referee either! Cafu was brilliant, his energy is unreal and he had a couple of good adventures to the touchline. Kaka was a reasonable performance, he played a wonderful ball for Pirlo which unfortunately Andy delayed the read on the run so Doni was able to smother.

    Even Dida had a good match, he made at least three outstanding saves and wasn't at the fault of the goal. In terms of formation, Roma did a fantastic job of stopping Pirlo from facing their goal, he was forced to play the ball back, they also like Liverpool in the ECL final pressed our defence and deeper midfield stopping us building play and forcing us to play long a few times. It looked toward the end of the match that we were returning the favour but in the end we didn't have the discipline or energy to keep it up.
    We were really caught out for the goal though, Cicinho was a threat today with his pace and runs, we were caught too narrow and advanced, we let the space in behind for the cross and Ambrosini should have closed him down more agressively rather than stand off. Vucinic as always did a fantastic job of ghosting in front of his marker and it was a splendid header.

    Rossetti as always had a complete farce of a match, he is one of the worst referees to assign to a match like this, he takes the pace and flow out of matches and is ridiculously fussy with his cards. We feel at the moment that we just aren't getting the luck from referees, a lot of sillly decisions went against us today, but maybe in part due to the poor organisation of the midfield at times that forced Ambrosini and Pirlo to make tactical fouls. De Rossi's penalty was a rather strange decision, best leave those types to the spoon specialists, but Roma aren't having much luck in percentages of penalty conversions in recent seasons!

    We looked better in fluidity but a poor piece of defence and organisation cost us, there was another opportunity with Cicinho's drive from 20 yards where we were caught too congested and narrow and Roma only had to spread the play to cause us problems.

    In term of atmosphere, it was a much more packed stadium that last week, and especially after the sending off and the penalty the noise rose , most of the tirade was directed at rosetti and there was vociferous anger at Ancelotti and the team after the whistle, about five of us went and had a small banner for Pirlo, but another tiring day and disappointing result. We need Ronaldo and Pato as soon as possible, Ronaldo's return is delay after delay, its a ridiculous situation, and in january there are definately new players needed, especially for the defence, but today i heard an interesting piece of news; while Ancelotti is handicapped really in terms of the players available to him - and of course the availability influecnes his selection and tactic, but those at the club say that he has had several confrontations with the technical staff higher up the club over player transfers, they aren't giving him the players he has requested!
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    Post by A & K Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:20 am

    The referring for the game Napoli vs Juventus was terrible. How come on earth were there two penalties? I think this was very harsh, especially the second one where the player didn't touch Buffon he just jumped over. Great goal from Gargano though.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/napoli+juventus/video/x3bgc3_napolijuventus-31-goals-wwwonlinepa_news
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    Post by Tarun Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:44 am

    Alive and Kicking wrote:The referring for the game Napoli vs Juventus was terrible. How come on earth were there two penalties? I think this was very harsh, especially the second one where the player didn't touch Buffon he just jumped over. Great goal from Gargano though.

    https://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/napoli+juventus/video/x3bgc3_napolijuventus-31-goals-wwwonlinepa_news

    Napoli were extremely lucky to get away with 3 points that day because of those 2 outrageous penalty decisions. With the second half lead from DP's goal the game could've easily gone in Juve's direction. Those bloody penalties cost us our second position on the table

    Collina should be taking note of this. It's not Juventus this time around...there no scope for these after the purgatory
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    Post by Tarun Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:13 am

    And the more I see the replays the more convinced I am that there is a strong case for the federation to take an action against the 2 Napoli players who dived so blatantly, & not to mention that stupid referee who fell for their antics.

    This diving is a blemish on Italian football & should be severely punished to bring about some dignity to the game. The English league is already doing good work about the same & also the crowd does not support this kind of behavior one bit
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    Post by gone Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:23 am

    The biggest problem for Milan is the players mentality. They have won everything and it's hard to make them play good against Siena or Catania now. They have their moments of pride (Lazio or Shaktar) but most of them can't be bother to play against small teams (Pirlo for one). Against Roma I hoped for such a moment but Roma outplayed us today. Moslty on the wings where Maldini and Cafu where to slow.
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    Post by bluenine Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:20 am

    Well, 5-8 Udinese-Napoli-Atalanta-Catania is so unexpected!! Well done to these teams!! I hope they (specially napoli) continue their good form!!

    Biggest worry for us is of course Roma, they are too close for comfort... specially considering that they have already played all the big teams (Milan, Juve and Fiorentina!!)

    The Table:
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    2 Roma 18
    3 Fiorentina 17
    4 Juventus 17
    5 Udinese 15
    6 Napoli 14
    7 Atalanta 14
    8 Catania 13
    9 Palermo 13
    10 Genoa 13
    11 Torino 11
    12 Sampdoria 11
    13 Milan 10
    14 Lazio 10
    15 Parma 9
    16 Cagliari 8
    17 Empoli 8
    18 Siena 7
    19 Reggina 5
    20 Livorno 2
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    Post by fcb Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:24 am

    gone wrote:The biggest problem for Milan is the players mentality. They have won everything and it's hard to make them play good against Siena or Catania now. They have their moments of pride (Lazio or Shaktar) but most of them can't be bother to play against small teams (Pirlo for one). Against Roma I hoped for such a moment but Roma outplayed us today. Moslty on the wings where Maldini and Cafu where to slow.

    Seems like that is becoming a bigger issue in football nowadays...Milan have won things a lot, but as we saw with Barça, players seem to lose the motivation even after one CL win.
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    Post by Super Progress Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:10 pm

    kas wrote:
    gone wrote:The biggest problem for Milan is the players mentality. They have won everything and it's hard to make them play good against Siena or Catania now. They have their moments of pride (Lazio or Shaktar) but most of them can't be bother to play against small teams (Pirlo for one). Against Roma I hoped for such a moment but Roma outplayed us today. Moslty on the wings where Maldini and Cafu where to slow.

    Seems like that is becoming a bigger issue in football nowadays...Milan have won things a lot, but as we saw with Barça, players seem to lose the motivation even after one CL win.
    i dont think it has to do with a Cl win because milan have been having the same problems since 2004/2005 i would say. ancelotti has found the formula in europe in serie a terms i consider him average.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:18 pm

    supermadrid wrote:
    kas wrote:
    gone wrote:The biggest problem for Milan is the players mentality. They have won everything and it's hard to make them play good against Siena or Catania now. They have their moments of pride (Lazio or Shaktar) but most of them can't be bother to play against small teams (Pirlo for one). Against Roma I hoped for such a moment but Roma outplayed us today. Moslty on the wings where Maldini and Cafu where to slow.

    Seems like that is becoming a bigger issue in football nowadays...Milan have won things a lot, but as we saw with Barça, players seem to lose the motivation even after one CL win.
    i dont think it has to do with a Cl win because milan have been having the same problems since 2004/2005 i would say. ancelotti has found the formula in europe in serie a terms i consider him average.

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    Post by bluenine Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:26 pm

    I agree with Supermadrid. While this could be an impact of the CL success in recent years as Kas suggested, this is not a new problem for Milan and they should have moved in the summer to rectify it... continuity is good, but you need a coupla changes every summer to inject fresh enthusiam and competition for places... players like Ambrosini, Gattuso, Pirlo, & Seedorf have no competition for their place in the starting line-up, and thats never good. They all take their places for granted when fit, and end up playing too many games - hence cannot sustain their quality in every game...

    Milan need a coupla new talented players at the very least to chanllenge for the scudetto.

    supermadrid wrote:
    kas wrote:
    gone wrote:The biggest problem for Milan is the players mentality. They have won everything and it's hard to make them play good against Siena or Catania now. They have their moments of pride (Lazio or Shaktar) but most of them can't be bother to play against small teams (Pirlo for one). Against Roma I hoped for such a moment but Roma outplayed us today. Moslty on the wings where Maldini and Cafu where to slow.

    Seems like that is becoming a bigger issue in football nowadays...Milan have won things a lot, but as we saw with Barça, players seem to lose the motivation even after one CL win.
    i dont think it has to do with a Cl win because milan have been having the same problems since 2004/2005 i would say. ancelotti has found the formula in europe in serie a terms i consider him average.
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    Post by bluenine Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:29 pm

    The 5 big teams of Serie A met 5 teams in good form, and there were so many upsets!!

    Genoa 0-0 Fiorentina
    Lazio 0-1 Udinese
    Milan 0-1 Roma
    Napoli 3-1 Juventus
    Palermo 0-0 Inter

    Everyone dropped points except Roma in a matchday when Roma had the toughest game... this is not good!!

    bluenine wrote:The moment of truth week in Serie A!!!!!!!! This weekends games include:

    Genoa - Fiorentina
    Lazio - Udinese
    Milan - Roma
    Napoli - Juventus
    Palermo - Inter

    wow!!

    I hope Roma can take a draw from Milan... that would be ideal Wink

    Inter face a very tough away game against a talented youthful Palermo, while Genoa will test visiting Fiorentina. Napoli do not perform very well at home, but they should make a game of it.

    Italy is the place to be this weekend!!!
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    Post by Tarun Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:58 pm

    Zalayeta gets diving ban Monday 29 October, 2007

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    Napoli striker Marcelo Zalayeta has been handed a two-game ban for diving to win a penalty against Juventus on Saturday.

    The Uruguayan met with the wrath of his former club when he fooled referee Mauro Bergonzi into awarding a penalty in Napoli’s 3-1 win.

    Video evidence proved that a spot-kick should not have been awarded and Zalayeta will now miss out on the Vesuviani’s trip to Fiorentina and home game against Reggina.

    There is no decision yet on whether bans will be handed out for the players involved in a fracas during the Parma v Livorno clash.

    Fernando Couto and Domenico Morfeo could be hit with suspensions for the Ducali and Livorno’s Erjon Bogdani also faces action.

    The Disciplinary Commission have also ruled that another Amaranto man Daniele De Vezze will sit out three games for striking Morfeo in the same game.

    Single-match bans have been given to nine men, including Massimo Ambrosini of Milan and Juventus trio Giorgio Chiellini, Nicola Legrottaglie and Antonio Nocerino.

    Atalanta stopper Moris Carozzieri, Reggina man Maurizio Lanzaro, Livorno’s Giovanni Pasquale and Reginaldo of Parma are the other men to be punished.

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