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    Post by bluenine Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:43 pm

    The cash prizes are still sad, but from the looks of it, the indian team is finally starting to look like a unit. Or maybe its another false dawn, we have had a few of those... time will tell, can India qualify for a major championship??

    ONGC NEHRU CUP: PRADEEP LIGHTS A NEW ERA

    India was destined to win her maiden Nehru cup in front of 20,000 crowds in the Ambedkar Stadium on a humid Wednesday night. All the elements were in their favour. Two goal.com articles had predicted an Indian win; Bob Houghton came perfectly suited and booted; crowds went wild once the kick off commenced; Indian flags were fluttering aplenty; the posters had names of Sunil Chettri and Baichung Bhutia; and the best poster screamed “We want Sweet Revenge”.

    Revenge it was, and sweet it was! Subroto Pal was outstanding, Steven Dias and NP Pradeep dictated the flanks, Mahesh Gawli marshaled his defences – all this while the Syrians lost cool and a man. It didn’t even matter that Baichung had missed open chances, what mattered was that, India played stylish possession football. It became irrelevant that Syrians were an aggressive unit with larger framed players (the common excuse India gives while losing); what mattered was that India were bold and controlled the match. It didn’t even matter that the post match presentation host was stumbling with words and introductions, what mattered was that Baichung Bhutia got louder cheers than a current cricketer who was standing in the overcrowded dias. It didn’t matter that the presentation ceremony was shoddy to say the least; AIFF have to be given bouquets for arranging a pre-tournament Portugal tour and also announcing cash bonuses to the winning team, equivalent of the tournament prize money (USD 40K). As a footnote, Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dixit also announced addition of USD 12K to the winning team’s bonus kitty!

    NP Pradeep’s bullet from the edge of the box in 44th minute had and will have a much bigger impact to Indian football, as it made its debut to the news flashes and tickers in the 25 odd regional and national news channels. It dawns a new era, which is larger than the 40 ranking spots it is expected to leap. India will now await its qualifier vs Lebanon and the I-league. Till such time, I whole heartedly thank the 20000 odd lucky Delh-ites for coming out and cheering India to a famous milestone with their closest friends, noisy bugles, irritating whistles, colorful turbans, jingoistic bhangra, creative slogans, bare chested swinging their white shirts in the air and hoarse lung power. The national team needed it all … and deserved it all.


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    Post by bluenine Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:49 pm

    India register first Nehru Cup win

    The Indian team has defied the odds to win the Nehru Cup Football Tournament in Delhi, upsetting a much higher ranked Syrian team. India took the lead in the 44th minute through N Pradeep who netted the only goal of the match.

    India had lost to Syria in the league stages of this tournament but on this day they were also helped after the favourites were down to ten men in the 50th minute. The Nehru Cup is being held in India after a decade and India who have never previously reached the final weren't expected to get this far let alone win the title.

    India now play Lebanon in the World Cup qualifiers next month.


    Pal goes from villian to national hero


    Not many of us remember India's last international football tournament win and that's why Wednesday's Nehru Cup win over Syria will be special for all Indians. N P Pradeep's 44th minute strike clinched India a 1-0 win over Syria in the final of the Nehru Cup soccer tournament.

    And It will be a memorable victory for goalkeeper Subrata Pal who almost became a villain after the Fed Cup final in 2004, but now he's a national hero. In 2004 a family in Kolkata couldn't sleep ever since the death of Dempo footballer, Cristiano Junior, following a collision with the Mohun Bagan goalkeeper in the dying minutes of the Federation Cup final held in Bangalore. Incidentally, that goalkeeper happened to be their son, Subrata Pal.

    Post mortem reports revealed that the Brazilian died of cardiac arrest following over-exertion and excitement. Pal, then 20 years old was suspended by the All India Football Federation for three months. His family meanwhile wanted him to stop playing football. "It was a tough time for him, its very unfortunate, at that time it was shocking, he needed support from the seniors around him," said Bhaichung Bhutia, Captain, Indian Football Team.

    It has indeed been redemption of sorts since then.

    The goalkeeper, a product of the Tata Football Academy, has come a long way, overcoming crisis and trauma. India's 1-0 win over Syria in the Nehru Cup final saw him rediscover himself, Mahesh Gawli was the man of the match, but Subrata could have got that award as well. "He is a completely different person now, he has changed on and off the field, he still plays very aggressive, but he doesn't play dirty," said the team captain.

    And one cannot help but mention the name of India's highest goal scorer in the tournament Sunil Chhetri. The JCT striker, who was a local favourite, made the Indian outfit look totally different in the company of fellow strikers Baichung Bhutia and Abhishek Yadav. This win will be a huge morale booster, one that'll hopefully help in winning many more trophies in the future.
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    Post by bluenine Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:09 pm

    This article highlights the plight of Inidan football:

    - The money mentioned after the "historic" win is pittance compared to what cricketers earn.

    - There is no mention of any football player who played the game, the only player mentioned in this new report is a cricketer who came to watch the game!! Sehwag may not even make the Indian cricket squad anymore, but he earns more than the entire cricket team, and is being talked about as a celebrity in a football news report of a historic win! Doh

    Nehru Cup victory brings in mega bucks for football team

    Thursday, 30 August , 2007, 11:03

    New Delhi: The Indian football team's stupendous 1-0 victory over Syria to lift the Nehru Cup has translated into mega bucks for the players - all of Rs.4.77 million.

    The tournament carried a prize money of $40,000 (Rs.1.63 million). Even as the final whistle blew, All India Football Federation (AIFF) president Priya Ranjan Dasmunsi announced this had been doubled to $80,000 (Rs.3.27 million). Dasmunsi is also the Minister for Information and Broadcasting. Tournament sponsor Oil and Natural Gas Commission (ONGC) added Rs.1 million to the kitty and Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit, the chief guest at the final, contributed Rs.500,000. This is the first time an Indian football team has raked in so much money – and could well spur a resurgence of the game in India.

    As the match began, the spectators cheered every time the Indians touched the ball. The attacking play by the home team kept the crowd glued to their seats as none moved even as the match went into its dying moments. There was not a single empty seat in the 23,000-capacity floodlit Ambedkar Stadium.

    It was indeed a heart-warming to see the home side succeed in an international football tournament, with their first Nehru Cup success in the 13th edition of the event. And it was made even more memorable by the response the national team got from Delhi's football lovers. The entire tournament had witnessed a good turnout but the final definitely exceeded expectations as people began filling in more than an hour before kick-off and stayed on till the presentations were made. The winners expressed their gratitude by doing a lap of honour and were cheered at every step.

    Cricket star Virender Sehwag surprised many by turning up to watch the final and rushed to the pitch soon after the final whistle to individually congratulate each member of the Indian squad. So did Dasmunsi, who rushed on to the field and hugged national coach Bob Houghton and then went on to do the same with the squad, posing merrily for photographs with the players as they danced and sang in joy.

    The crowd enjoyed every bit of it as the players basked in the Nehru Cup glory. The national capital has proved to be a lucky venue for the side and could see more international engagements coming their way. And if the crowd response is anything to go by, the team will not be disappointed if it continues to deliver.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:38 pm

    I dont get how Indian/Asian kids dont make a bigger impression, especially in the English footballing system: I've played against Asian kids who are supremely gifted footballers, and I know that its massively popular amongst Asian communities....
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    Post by bluenine Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:10 am

    Some do make it big, recent examples include Vikas Dhorasoo and Michael Chopra... but they are unwilling to join their country of origin, coz Indian football is pretty pathetic at the mo.

    But there have been recent improvements back hope, specially the professional I-League which starts this season and replaces the National Football League... this promises to be a good move to professionalise football in India. But a lot lot more needs to be done, specially the cancelling of the loads and loads of local tournaments every club side plays in India... they are just too many, and an Indian footballer ends up playing about 70-80 games a season which is way too many than medically prescribed... that really impacts performance and development of the players...

    Handsome Prince Of Saxony wrote:I dont get how Indian/Asian kids dont make a bigger impression, especially in the English footballing system: I've played against Asian kids who are supremely gifted footballers, and I know that its massively popular amongst Asian communities....
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    Post by bluenine Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:14 am

    I League Teams for the 2007/2008 Season (starts end Nov):
    - Dempo Sports Club - Goa
    - JCT - Phagwara, Punjab
    - Mahindra United - Mumbai
    - Churchill Brothers Sports Club - Goa
    - East Bengal Club - Kolkata
    - Sporting Clube de Goa - Goa
    - Air India - Mumbai
    - Mohun Bagan - Kolkata
    - Salgaocar Sports Club - Goa*
    - Viva Kerala - Kochin*

    Good to see so many clubs from the state that I lived in for 7 years... Goa, India's smallest state is probably the only one where football is more popular than cricket!!

    Dempo are the defending champions. The previous winners of the NFL (which the I League is replacing this season) include:
    Champions
    1996/97 : JCT FC
    1997/98 : Mohun Bagan Athletic Club
    1998/99 : Salgaocar Sports Club
    1999/00 : Mohun Bagan Athletic Club
    2000/01 : East Bengal Club
    2001/02 : Mohun Bagan Athletic Club
    2002/03 : East Bengal Club
    2003/04 : East Bengal Club
    2004/05 : Dempo Sports Club
    2005/06 : Mahindra United
    2006/07 : Dempo Sports Club
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    Post by EMP Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:33 am

    bluenine wrote:I League Teams for the 2007/2008 Season (starts end Nov):
    - Dempo Sports Club - Goa
    - JCT - Phagwara, Punjab
    - Mahindra United - Mumbai
    - Churchill Brothers Sports Club - Goa
    - East Bengal Club - Kolkata
    - Sporting Clube de Goa - Goa
    - Air India - Mumbai
    - Mohun Bagan - Kolkata
    - Salgaocar Sports Club - Goa*
    - Viva Kerala - Kochin*

    Good to see so many clubs from the state that I lived in for 7 years... Goa, India's smallest state is probably the only one where football is more popular than cricket!!

    Dempo are the defending champions. The previous winners of the NFL (which the I League is replacing this season) include:
    Champions
    1996/97 : JCT FC
    1997/98 : Mohun Bagan Athletic Club
    1998/99 : Salgaocar Sports Club
    1999/00 : Mohun Bagan Athletic Club
    2000/01 : East Bengal Club
    2001/02 : Mohun Bagan Athletic Club
    2002/03 : East Bengal Club
    2003/04 : East Bengal Club
    2004/05 : Dempo Sports Club
    2005/06 : Mahindra United
    2006/07 : Dempo Sports Club

    Interesting geographic spread. Any reason it has such a south western bias? Seems a small area for half the league, with Kerala being so close to Goa.
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    Post by bluenine Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:18 pm

    Thats coz those are the football crazy areas.... mostly Goa and Bengal are the football crazy states in India, so its no surprise that they account for 6 of the ten teams... Mumbai, Punjab and Kerala account for the other 4, and have some interest in the game.

    There are also some states in northeast where football is popular, but there is no money there so those players play elsewhere.

    The rest of the states are Cr@p in football.

    I am hoping that some big business house soon starts a big team in Delhi... its not as football crazy as others, but there is money, and teh fever can catch on. There is a new club started called the "New Delhi Heros FC" which has entered the newly formed Indian second division, but the name hardly inspires confidence... obviously there is no big money sponsor there.

    The biggest change that India needs to make is cancel the state leagues... at least for the national league teams, they should NOT play their state league as well!! Doh

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    Interesting geographic spread. Any reason it has such a south western bias? Seems a small area for half the league, with Kerala being so close to Goa.
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    Post by fcb Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:38 pm

    I'm guessing Goa is a big football centre because of the Portuguese influence?
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    Post by bluenine Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:11 pm

    Yes, they like to think of themselves as the Brazil of India... Its amazing, coz Goa is a really tiny state compared to the others, yet they dominate football... Bengal plays a more pragmatic game, while Goans play like they are enjoying themselves!

    kas wrote:I'm guessing Goa is a big football centre because of the Portuguese influence?
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    Post by bluenine Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:46 am

    We need more of these. I wonder what the objectives of this programme are... if some talented kids get a chance to train at Manchester, it will be awesome for Indian Football!!

    India Kick-Off With Manchester United

    The All India Football Federation (AIFF) has launched ‘Kick Off’- an innovative talent identification and development programme in Goa. It has been designed using the expertise of Manchester United Soccer School’s (MUSS) coaching programmes. The AIFF General Secertary Alberto Colaco believes that the scheme will speed the growth level of Indian football at an international level. “We have a bold vision for the future of football in India and this exciting scheme will only help to accelerate our progress on the world stage” said Mr.Colaco.

    Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson agreed. “It’s clear to see that with such a huge population in India the potential for football to grow is enormous, and we are delighted to be involved in further development of the game here. Hopefully, we can play our part in the vision of accelerating this development of young players in India, and helping youngsters to achieve their own potential through laying sport.”

    A special coordination committee has been formed under the supervision of the Director of Sports, Goa, Susana D’Souza. The Kick Off programme will hold a skills test from October 27- November 2 in Goa. A coaching team from MUSS will overlook the programme, assisted by Brian McClair, Head of Manchester United’s Youth Academy.
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    Post by 110% Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:39 pm

    bluenine wrote:We need more of these. I wonder what the objectives of this programme are... if some talented kids get a chance to train at Manchester, it will be awesome for Indian Football!!

    India Kick-Off With Manchester United

    The All India Football Federation (AIFF) has launched ‘Kick Off’- an innovative talent identification and development programme in Goa. It has been designed using the expertise of Manchester United Soccer School’s (MUSS) coaching programmes. The AIFF General Secertary Alberto Colaco believes that the scheme will speed the growth level of Indian football at an international level. “We have a bold vision for the future of football in India and this exciting scheme will only help to accelerate our progress on the world stage” said Mr.Colaco.

    Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson agreed. “It’s clear to see that with such a huge population in India the potential for football to grow is enormous, and we are delighted to be involved in further development of the game here. Hopefully, we can play our part in the vision of accelerating this development of young players in India, and helping youngsters to achieve their own potential through laying sport.”

    A special coordination committee has been formed under the supervision of the Director of Sports, Goa, Susana D’Souza. The Kick Off programme will hold a skills test from October 27- November 2 in Goa. A coaching team from MUSS will overlook the programme, assisted by Brian McClair, Head of Manchester United’s Youth Academy.

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    Post by Di Caniooooo! Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:45 pm

    I didn't know that India played football! Laughing you'd think that with 1 billion people they could find 20 that would have quite a bit of skill.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:51 pm

    Over 70% can't afford houses. ok

    We need more investments in football.

    India and Cricket it's all they care about down there.
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    Post by bluenine Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:07 am

    This is an encouraging sign coz Mumbai FC is a new club playing in the newly formed Indian second division.

    I still feel that till all the states have their own first, second and third divisions, the national leagues will not progress. National League teams should not have to play their state leagues as well, and they should reduce the number of tournaments each club participates in... there are just too many.

    India: Mumbai Sign Ghanian Trio

    Indian club Mumbai FC have been busy in the transfer market and and have acquired the services of three players from Ghana. Defender James Dissiramah and striker Michael Osei took part in an Elite Division game against Central Railway recently and impressed the Mumbai FC coaching staff. Michael Osei was part of the Ghanaian squad which participated in the U-17 World Cup. The third foreign player is Selix who had earlier played under Mumbai Coach David Booth at Mahindra United in 2004.

    “I have played with Selix at Mahindra. He has loads of experience as he has played in Dubai, Vietnam and a host of other countries” Mumbai striker Abhishek Yadav told Goal.com. Selix is a versatile player and can play as a withdrawn forward and striker but Yadav, who is recovering from a fractured skull, is confident that despite the increased competition he will still get valuable time on the pitch. “I guess the Coach will have a plan to incorporate everyone,” he said.
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    Post by godof86 Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:07 am

    Wonderful to see this thread. This is the first time I am visiting the International board..... Will try to contribute on this as often as possible. Will give a gist of the Mohun Bagan / East Bengal rivalry, as well as Punjab's falling from grace in the Indian football sweepstakes sometime.
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    Post by bluenine Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:29 am

    Mission Impossible?? I think so... losing the first game 4-1 showed how poor India is on their travels...

    India Rocked By Injury Problems

    India‘s preparations for tonight’s clash against Lebanon have received a blow when the two left-sided players of the squad,winger Renedy Singh and defender Manju, were ruled out of the crucial second leg of the 2010 World Cup qualifiers at Jawarharlal Stadium, Chennai. India lost the first leg 4-1 in Beirut. Renedy Singh, known for his perfect angular crosses, is out because of an ankle problem. Mahindra’s K.Ajayan is expected to start in his place. Manju is down with high fever and will be replaced by Dempo’s Samir.

    There are more problems. Chennai stadium is the only one in India which conforms to the stipulations of FIFA and Indian Coach Bob Houghton has openly expressed his displeasure at having to play there instead of Delhi. “Our team has played in front of a capacity crowd in New Delhi. There was a totally different environment there. The team must get the maximum home advantage” Houghton told local media.

    Skipper Bhaichung Bhutia added: “We might not have the same atmosphere (in Chennai). But, I think ground-wise, weather-wise; the conditions are good though I don’t feel they will give us any extra advantage.” The ‘Sikkimese Sniper’ believes that if things go as per plans India can score three goals which are essential for India’s qualification. “It’s not going to be easy but hopefully if things go perfectly, we can get three goals- it’s definitely possible.”
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    Post by bluenine Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:10 pm

    After the conclusion of India's first "II Division League" from which Salgaokar and Viva kerala got promoted, the new and improved version of National Football League has just started. Rebranded as the I-League, this has a very european-league-format, with home and away games. The idea is to expand the current 10 teams to 16 in a few years, if it becomes popular in India.

    I-League standings after 2 rounds:
    01. Churchill Brothers - Goa 6
    02. Dempo - Goa 6 (Defending Champions)
    03. East Bengal - Calcutta 3 *
    04. JCT - Punjab 3 *
    05. Air-India - Mumbai 2
    06. Salgaocar - Goa 1
    07. Mahindra United - Mumbai 1
    08. Mohun Bagan - Calcutta 0 *
    09. Viva Kerala - Kochi 0 *
    10. Sporting Clube de Goa - Goa 0

    *game in hand


    More trivia: This is one for the portuguese fans here, specifically of Sporting. The Sporting Clube de Goa is built on the lines of Portuguese giants Sporting Clube de Portugal and adopt a similar club crest. They are also the first Indian club to encourage some of the foriegners of indian origin back into India, and have a swedish player of indian origin (Nicholas Nath) playing for them. A lot of goan clubs still have ties with portuguese clubs.
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    Post by mongrel hawk Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:27 pm

    great thread. ok

    I knew nothing about it. Loved the "Goa trhing"... hehe
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    Post by DeLux Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:11 pm

    Why do India play in Blue and white?
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    Post by bluenine Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:26 pm

    I lived in Goa for 7 years as a teen (thats probably the reason why I like football more than cricket!), and you can't imagine how crazy they are about Brazil over there. I remember during the 1990 WC, Goa was under shock and mourning when brazil got knocked out. Before that it was like a carnival atmosphere (btw, goa has its own version of carnival every year). You will routinely find people in Goa named after great brazilian players... Zico being the most popular by a distance (at least till I was there). In fact, there is this guy called "Zico Costa" who plays for Salgaocar SC Wink

    So you can imagine it was a tough time for an azzurri supporter in Goa during the 1994 WC Final... Sad we watched the game on a projecter in our college, with about 200 of us, and I was the only one cheering for Italy!!
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    I knew nothing about it. Loved the "Goa trhing"... hehe
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    Post by bluenine Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:27 pm

    India always play in light blue, in all sports. Dunno why.

    El Tiki Taka wrote:Why do India play in Blue and white?
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    Post by mongrel hawk Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:32 pm

    do you like italy because you like their style or are you a descendant/lived there?



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    El Tiki Taka wrote:Why do India play in Blue and white?
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    Post by bluenine Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:46 pm

    More because when I started watching football in mid 80s, Serie A was "The League"... then I started supporting Inter, got used to their style, and since then it has been Italy... as far as Italian football is concerned, the first championship that I supported the azzurri was the 1990 WC, and since then I became a bigger and bigger fan... after soo many years, I guess I am totally hooked to their style of football.

    Before 1990, I used to like Serie A but was very neutral between Italy/ France/ Germany/ Argentina as far as international football is concerned... infact, I remember as a kid in 1986 supporting France Shocked

    I have been to Italy many times since, mostly football tourism, and have learnt to appreciate many things italian. But my list of fav italian stuff always starts with Calcio.

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    bluenine wrote:India always play in light blue, in all sports. Dunno why.

    El Tiki Taka wrote:Why do India play in Blue and white?
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    Post by mongrel hawk Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:10 pm

    nice story, bluenine.

    "I lived in Goa for 7 years as a teen "

    you speak Portuguese then?
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    Post by bluenine Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:13 pm

    Nope. Goa has two main langauges, Portuguese & the more common konkani. I could speak Konkani when I was there, now I can still understand it but find it difficult to form sentences.

    mongrel hawk wrote:nice story, bluenine.

    "I lived in Goa for 7 years as a teen "

    you speak Portuguese then?
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    Post by Fey Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:25 pm

    So you lived in paradise...and decided to leave!! Confounded!! I went to Goa 4 years ago and it's awesome! Calangute beach to be exact. Shame about the snakes( I hate them) and even worse...the hippies..but they sell good weed so..Biggrin
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:22 pm

    Sinterklaas,Fey kent hem wrote:So you lived in paradise...and decided to leave!! Confounded!! I went to Goa 4 years ago and it's awesome! Calangute beach to be exact. Shame about the snakes( I hate them) and even worse...the hippies..but they sell good weed so..Biggrin

    Good ol duchies, the mere mention of weed Very Happy
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    Post by forza_rossi Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:14 pm

    Still remember how Pakistan beat India in 2003 in the Asian Cup Gold medal match Razz
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    Post by Tweesus Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:52 pm

    El Tiki Taka wrote:Why do India play in Blue and white?

    Blue chakra in the Indian flag. Also their cricket flag has blue. I'm guessing its a combination of the two that led them to select it for cricket, and other sports have followed suit

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