Brazilian team for the first 2 WC Qs games

against colombia and ecuador.

Goleiros
Doni (Roma-ITA)
Júlio César (Inter de Milão-ITA)

Laterais
Daniel Alves (Sevilla-ESP)
Gilberto (Hertha Berlin-ALE)
Kléber (Santos)
Maicon (Inter de Milão-ITA)

Zagueiros
Alex (Chelsea-ING)
Alex Silva (São Paulo)
Juan (Roma-ITA)
Lúcio (Bayern de Munique-ALE)

Volantes
Fernando (Bordeaux-FRA)
Gilberto Silva (Arsenal-ING)
Josué (Wolfsburg-ALE)
Mineiro (Hertha Berlin-ALE)

Meias
Diego (Werder Bremen-ALE)
Elano (Manchester City-ING)
Júlio Baptista (Real Madrid-ESP)
Kaká (Milan-ITA)
Ronaldinho (Barcelona-ESP)

Atacantes
Afonso (Heerenveen-HOL)
Robinho (Real Madrid-ESP)
Vagner Love (CSKA Moscou-RUS)

Even a out of form Adriano is playing much better than any of those listed here... Dunga should give him a shot, he has rarely failed for Brazil.

And even a half fit Ronaldo will do better than Alfonso or Love. The dearth of good strikers in Brazil is alarming! Get Romario back!

mongrel hawk wrote:

Atacantes
Afonso (Heerenveen-HOL)
Robinho (Real Madrid-ESP)
Vagner Love (CSKA Moscou-RUS)

how's afonso doing?

yeh, you're right about the strikers. I wanna see pato playing.

bluenine wrote:Even a out of form Adriano is playing much better than any of those listed here... Dunga should give him a shot, he has rarely failed for Brazil.

And even a half fit Ronaldo will do better than Alfonso or Love. The dearth of good strikers in Brazil is alarming! Get Romario back!

mongrel hawk wrote:

Atacantes
Afonso (Heerenveen-HOL)
Robinho (Real Madrid-ESP)
Vagner Love (CSKA Moscou-RUS)

Afonso is playing for Heerenveen reserves!!!

why? after being top scorer...

kas wrote:Afonso is playing for Heerenveen reserves!!!

Yeah, they had a dispute because he wanted to leave but they would not sell him...so they chucked him in the reserves till January. So I'm surprised he's been called up.

Brasil's side looks a bit average nowaday's.

IMO Wagner, Afonso, Josue, Fernando, Elano, Baptista aren't players you'd associate with selecao quality.

Not sure why you don't like Gilberto todo? He's better the overrated, cheating donkey Alvez.

not that I don't like him... I've put a neutral face. I think he's ok, but maybe not as one would expect from a Brazil starter, if he starts. cause I think kleber will start.

Calidad wrote:Brasil's side looks a bit average nowaday's.

IMO Wagner, Afonso, Josue, Fernando, Elano, Baptista aren't players you'd associate with selecao quality.

Not sure why you don't like Gilberto todo? He's better the overrated, cheating donkey Alvez.

when are these games being played?

and are you home or away?

kas wrote:Yeah, they had a dispute because he wanted to leave but they would not sell him...so they chucked him in the reserves till January. So I'm surprised he's been called up.

Really?

Are there any clubs that were particularly keen on him over the summer? Just boro?

I think AZ wanted him.

Rosicky wrote:when are these games being played?

and are you home or away?

Answered my own question:

13/10/07 Uruguay v Bolivia
13/10/07 Argentina v Chile
13/10/07 Colombia v Brazil
13/10/07 Ecuador v Venezuela
13/10/07 Peru v Paraguay
17/10/07 Bolivia v Colombia
17/10/07 Brazil v Ecuador
17/10/07 Chile v Peru
17/10/07 Paraguay v Uruguay
17/10/07 Venezuela v Argentina

Rosicky wrote:

Rosicky wrote:when are these games being played?

and are you home or away?

Answered my own question:

13/10/07 Uruguay v Bolivia
13/10/07 Argentina v Chile
13/10/07 Colombia v Brazil
13/10/07 Ecuador v Venezuela
13/10/07 Peru v Paraguay
17/10/07 Bolivia v Colombia
17/10/07 Brazil v Ecuador
17/10/07 Chile v Peru
17/10/07 Paraguay v Uruguay
17/10/07 Venezuela v Argentina

Argentina will probably loose that game. Chile will be coached by the best man ever to have been in charge of the national senior squad since Menotti. also known as "the guy in my avatar photo"

mongrel hawk wrote:why? after being top scorer...

kas wrote:Afonso is playing for Heerenveen reserves!!!

Yesterday he played the first game of the season so..

He was in Brasil and refused to come back

GLOBO carried out a survey as to who should be playing for the national side. Over 180,000 Brazilians participated - and they selected the following side:

Rogério Ceni, Cicinho, Juan, Lúcio e Kleber; Gilberto Silva, Lucas, Kaká e Ronaldinho Gaúcho; Robinho e Ronaldo

On Alves:

Heerenveen asked something like 17M euro for him but nobody wanted to buy him for that amount, AZ were interested, Boro were interested and Alves himself didn't want to go to Russia I thought.

Then the problems begun, Alves didn't show up at training for over a month. Then he once returned, and that left again for a too long time.

The feud finally seems settled, he made his official debut for Heerenveen this week against Feyenoord so it seems like he is back on track.

Alves and especially his agent made disgracefull comments towards Heerenveen, saying that the kept Afonso like a slave and they even said the Heerenveen board/fans were nazi's.

Hope that clears it, still a class player with loads more class than Vagner Love.

Blue, it unbelievable how you think Adriano is above a striker who scored the highest amount of goals in Europe last year.

Oh, why is Gomes - best keeper in the world, not there?

Amazing to think that people want Gilberto Silva in the Brazil XI when at the moment he can't even get in the Arsenal team.

Where is SOBIS !!

most brazilians don't watch european leagues, and gilberto silva always plays well for brazil.

Cesc wrote:Amazing to think that people want Gilberto Silva in the Brazil XI when at the moment he can't even get in the Arsenal team.

Raifael wrote:Where is SOBIS !!

I like Sobis. I think he's very talented. He's by no means the much needed 'No. 9' but he's make a very good SS - a useful member of the squad. Certainly better than Vager Love.

Calidad wrote:GLOBO carried out a survey as to who should be playing for the national side. Over 180,000 Brazilians participated - and they selected the following side:

Rogério Ceni, Cicinho, Juan, Lúcio e Kleber; Gilberto Silva, Lucas, Kaká e Ronaldinho Gaúcho; Robinho e Ronaldo

nahhhhhh...you see...there is still a lot of ppl who just don't care for football outside their country... ...I'm glad the don't

Since 1888 wrote:On Alves:

Heerenveen asked something like 17M euro for him but nobody wanted to buy him for that amount, AZ were interested, Boro were interested and Alves himself didn't want to go to Russia I thought.

Then the problems begun, Alves didn't show up at training for over a month. Then he once returned, and that left again for a too long time.

The feud finally seems settled, he made his official debut for Heerenveen this week against Feyenoord so it seems like he is back on track.

Alves and especially his agent made disgracefull comments towards Heerenveen, saying that the kept Afonso like a slave and they even said the Heerenveen board/fans were nazi's.

Hope that clears it, still a class player with loads more class than Vagner Love.

Blue, it unbelievable how you think Adriano is above a striker who scored the highest amount of goals in Europe last year.

This is what happened. What Since 1888 says is true.

Basically Afonso was missing for three weeks - NOBODY knew where he was, then they found out he was still in Brasil. And he stayed there for another couple of weeks as he refused to return. After that he agreed to return, but the incoming he flight he was on didn't have him - he even left his girlfriend waiting at the Dutch Airport!
Then he dissapeared again. And returned after another couple of weeks. During this time Afonso and his agents were spouting off absolute rubbish to force a transfer. he did join the Brazilian squad though during the last international break.

When he returned, Heerenveen more than rightfully stuck him in the reserves for just two games (I thought). He's just played his first game for the first team last week.

Afonso is still class on the pitch and miles better than Adriano or every other striker Brazil has. Only an peak on-form Ronaldo is better (like that's going to happen) - there's no discussion here.

Afonso and his agent were trying to hold the club hostage in without a doubt the most disgraceful way I ever encountered. Everything or every attempt to breach contract before this pales in comparison. The only got what they deserved. And whilst I love Afonso on the pitch, I do think he got off very lightly here.

Afonso for Heerenveen was never treated badly. He was their golden boy - they rescued him from a dead end carreer in Sweden, brilliantly made him into a striker and he was loved by everyone including outside of his club. He always behaved professinoally and then he pulls this. He didn't get to go to AZ.

Heerenveen were on the verge of taking him and his agent to the court and to the UEFA board - to get money lost. They still might. He was their investment mind you.

yeah sobis certainly better than wagner love, i think people are down on elano for some reason he's done vvv well for man city and thought he was excellent for brazil v argentina at the emirates

So with Alex out, Dunga could've called in Polga but of course he didn't.

I'll admit I don't know much about Naldo other than he's tall and plays for Bremen. Polga has been fantastic for Sporting however for some time now, and recently put in two great CL performances ...one against Man Utd ... but he'll never get a chance due to Brasil's agendas...

It's a shame really, the man won a World Cup with his country, is playing very well and still can't even get a call up.

I'm not even going to mention Liedson.

I must admit, I haven't seen much of Alves. I know he scored like what 7 goals in a game last weekend, wow. So you must be right... I judged him too quickly, will wait and see what he does for Brazil before commenting on him further.

But Adriano is Adriano, and even at half his form, he is much better than Love!! So I still dunno what Dunga is thinking!

Since 1888 wrote:On Alves:

Heerenveen asked something like 17M euro for him but nobody wanted to buy him for that amount, AZ were interested, Boro were interested and Alves himself didn't want to go to Russia I thought.

Then the problems begun, Alves didn't show up at training for over a month. Then he once returned, and that left again for a too long time.

The feud finally seems settled, he made his official debut for Heerenveen this week against Feyenoord so it seems like he is back on track.

Alves and especially his agent made disgracefull comments towards Heerenveen, saying that the kept Afonso like a slave and they even said the Heerenveen board/fans were nazi's.

Hope that clears it, still a class player with loads more class than Vagner Love.

Blue, it unbelievable how you think Adriano is above a striker who scored the highest amount of goals in Europe last year.

mongrel hawk wrote:how's afonso doing?

yeh, you're right about the strikers. I wanna see pato playing.

bluenine wrote:Even a out of form Adriano is playing much better than any of those listed here... Dunga should give him a shot, he has rarely failed for Brazil.

And even a half fit Ronaldo will do better than Alfonso or Love. The dearth of good strikers in Brazil is alarming! Get Romario back!

mongrel hawk wrote:

Atacantes
Afonso (Heerenveen-HOL)
Robinho (Real Madrid-ESP)
Vagner Love (CSKA Moscou-RUS)

Alfonso scored 7 times yesterday in his first game in the first 11! Not too bad I suppose... Ronaldo and Romario never managed that. It is even an all time record in Dutch Eredivisie history... Not even Cruijff nor Van Basten scored 7 times in ONE game!

Next step is to get a decent chance in the Brazil squad and everything will be ok for Brazil!

Who the hell did he play against to score 7 goals in one match?
Jardel scored a crazy number of goals, was the highest goalscorer in Europe yet never recognized as his goals were in a weaker league... well, a team that allows 7 goals in one match can't be strong...let alone let the same palyer score 7 in a single match.

Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Calidad wrote:GLOBO carried out a survey as to who should be playing for the national side. Over 180,000 Brazilians participated - and they selected the following side:

Rogério Ceni, Cicinho, Juan, Lúcio e Kleber; Gilberto Silva, Lucas, Kaká e Ronaldinho Gaúcho; Robinho e Ronaldo

nahhhhhh...you see...there is still a lot of ppl who just don't care for football outside their country... ...I'm glad the don't

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Cicinho

Do these people not watch Douglas Maicon ?

The Rogério Ceni selection is a joke as well, J.Cesar & Gomes are far better.

Afonso - 7 goals Did the opposition have a reserve backline playing ?

bluenine wrote:I must admit, I haven't seen much of Alves. I know he scored like what 7 goals in a game last weekend, wow. So you must be right... I judged him too quickly, will wait and see what he does for Brazil before commenting on him further.

But Adriano is Adriano, and even at half his form, he is much better than Love!! So I still dunno what Dunga is thinking!

Since 1888 wrote:On Alves:

Heerenveen asked something like 17M euro for him but nobody wanted to buy him for that amount, AZ were interested, Boro were interested and Alves himself didn't want to go to Russia I thought.

Then the problems begun, Alves didn't show up at training for over a month. Then he once returned, and that left again for a too long time.

The feud finally seems settled, he made his official debut for Heerenveen this week against Feyenoord so it seems like he is back on track.

Alves and especially his agent made disgracefull comments towards Heerenveen, saying that the kept Afonso like a slave and they even said the Heerenveen board/fans were nazi's.

Hope that clears it, still a class player with loads more class than Vagner Love.

Blue, it unbelievable how you think Adriano is above a striker who scored the highest amount of goals in Europe last year.

Adriano apparently has an alcohol problem, and should be in rehab and not playing for the national team.