Brazilian team for the first 2 WC Qs games

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Barrilete_Cosmico wrote:

Calidad wrote:GLOBO carried out a survey as to who should be playing for the national side. Over 180,000 Brazilians participated - and they selected the following side:

Rogério Ceni, Cicinho, Juan, Lúcio e Kleber; Gilberto Silva, Lucas, Kaká e Ronaldinho Gaúcho; Robinho e Ronaldo

nahhhhhh...you see...there is still a lot of ppl who just don't care for football outside their country... ...I'm glad the don't

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Afonso - 7 goals Did the opposition have a reserve backline playing ?

Nope, Ajax only managed to score 1 against that defence actually. Still, it is a $h!t defense but against any defence it's class to score 7 goals.

I am not following Spanish football; can someone tell me how the Brazilians are playing? Dinho, Robinho, Alves? I have no Idea.

- Robinho's been poor all season.
- Ronaldinho was poor at the start of the season but is getting better.

Robinho has been absolutely terrible.

Alves is also in bad form, along with the rest of his Sevilla team.

Ronaldinho had a couple of bad games, then injury, but his last two games he has looked lively.

kas wrote:Robinho has been absolutely terrible.

Alves is also in bad form, along with the rest of his Sevilla team.

Ronaldinho had a couple of bad games, then injury, but his last two games he has looked lively.

Cruzes, I think is time for Brazilians to leave Spain, maybe is the weather

Just kidding.
You know what is more annoying? No matter how bad Robinho plays, he wont be sacked, and brazilian media wont comment, but if Ronaldinho dare to not score in those two games, his head is off.

juligen21 wrote:

kas wrote:Robinho has been absolutely terrible.

Alves is also in bad form, along with the rest of his Sevilla team.

Ronaldinho had a couple of bad games, then injury, but his last two games he has looked lively.

Cruzes, I think is time for Brazilians to leave Spain, maybe is the weather

Just kidding.
You know what is more annoying? No matter how bad Robinho plays, he wont be sacked, and brazilian media wont comment, but if Ronaldinho dare to not score in those two games, his head is off.

Did they mention A.Alves scoring 7 this weekend?

juligen21 wrote:

kas wrote:Robinho has been absolutely terrible.

Alves is also in bad form, along with the rest of his Sevilla team.

Ronaldinho had a couple of bad games, then injury, but his last two games he has looked lively.

Cruzes, I think is time for Brazilians to leave Spain, maybe is the weather

Just kidding.
You know what is more annoying? No matter how bad Robinho plays, he wont be sacked, and brazilian media wont comment, but if Ronaldinho dare to not score in those two games, his head is off.

I think even the Madrid fans are starting to run out of patience with regards to Robinho.

The only fan of Robinho was sheva7, not sure what happenend to him. But i would like to hear his views now, he promised me Robinho would turn good once he has settled in, but he has got worse!

So far Diego has made more of an impact in Europe than Robinho imo.

Even Elano in 8 games has made more of an impact than Robinho (though of course he was already in Europe with Shakhtar).

yes, the idiots now are saying something like "now that that horrible striker scored 7 against a horrible team with a horrible defence, I fear Dunga may keep calling him".

one of the most respected Brazilian pundits, a complete imbecile, said yesterday on ESPN Brasil that even his grandma would have scored those easy goals against that nothing defence in that nothing game.

Since 1888 wrote:Did they mention A.Alves scoring 7 this weekend?

kas wrote:Even Elano in 8 games has made more of an impact than Robinho (though of course he was already in Europe with Shakhtar).

I was thinking about this too. Elano in 8 games already owns City midfield, he took the responsibility of carry the team and is doing a FINE job, this is how a special player does it (he is getting a lot of praises in Brazil, his critics are starting to reconsider their opinions, they say that is no small matter, the English league is one of the best in the world, with good teams and City is in the top 3)

About Affonso, I am sorry but until he move to a stronger league, Brazilian pundits WONT take him serious, people her commented about the 7 goals, but also commented that the adversary was a weak team.

I've been saying this for ages: Robinho is a pussy, he can't play against men without the help of the refs (see the games against england, uruguay and argentina, he did NOTHING). in brazil, you touched him it was a yellow. you touched him again it was a red. you kicked tevez on his knee, it was a dive.

unfortunatelly, our press tends to favour pussy footballers who play the so called "artistic football", or even "ballet football", like Seal-Sissy Kerlon, Rogério "Bambi" Ceni, Robinho the Pussy, etc. he's considered untouchable by the press and public opinion. if dunga drops him, he'll run the risk of being sacked, even if he's not playing as a starter for real madrid.

kas wrote:Even Elano in 8 games has made more of an impact than Robinho (though of course he was already in Europe with Shakhtar).

My only hope is for Madrid to put him on the bench, if not he will be in our first eleven in 2010. I have no doubt about this.

If Madrid bench him he will whine like a annoying bI@tch and demand a transfer, but I think he wont find too many "big clubs" after him (remember how he snubbed Totteham move, because he will only leave Madrid for a big club) like he is a phenomenal player setting the world on fire.

Bi@cth, please

Robinho signed for Real at the wrong time, i remember reading how he was going to be the saviour of Real Madrid, have a similar impact to Ronaldinho at Barca, etc.... when he first signed.

Anyway, how do people rate Fred and Nilmar back in Brazil?

juligen21 wrote:

kas wrote:Even Elano in 8 games has made more of an impact than Robinho (though of course he was already in Europe with Shakhtar).

About Affonso, I am sorry but until he move to a stronger league, Brazilian pundits WONT take him serious, people her commented about the 7 goals, but also commented that the adversary was a weak team.

Yeah it really did a certain Ronaldo and Romaria any harm in here. 7goals in 1 game is class no matter what, not even Cruyff or vBasten managed that in this league with only Cr@p defences.

Since 1888 wrote:

juligen21 wrote:

kas wrote:Even Elano in 8 games has made more of an impact than Robinho (though of course he was already in Europe with Shakhtar).

About Affonso, I am sorry but until he move to a stronger league, Brazilian pundits WONT take him serious, people her commented about the 7 goals, but also commented that the adversary was a weak team.

Yeah it really did a certain Ronaldo and Romaria any harm in here. 7goals in 1 game is class no matter what, not even Cruyff or vBasten managed that in this league with only Cr@p defences.

First of all, don’t shoot the messenger, I am just saying that this is Brazil’s point of view. Second Roamrio and Ronaldo HAD to prove a lot of people wrong. Romario almost didn’t go to 94 WC, remember?
People here in Brazil (the Brazil FA and some journalist) didn’t want him in the team and didn’t think that he would be too valuable for that tournament.

And Ronaldo until 2002 was seen like a marketing product from Nike, A LOT and I say A LOT OF people here thought that he was just a physical player who scored tons of goals but nothing special (and look that he was a success in Barcelona and Inter )
So do you really think that Afonso would get a better treatment?

juligen21 wrote:

Since 1888 wrote:

juligen21 wrote:

kas wrote:Even Elano in 8 games has made more of an impact than Robinho (though of course he was already in Europe with Shakhtar).

About Affonso, I am sorry but until he move to a stronger league, Brazilian pundits WONT take him serious, people her commented about the 7 goals, but also commented that the adversary was a weak team.

Yeah it really did a certain Ronaldo and Romaria any harm in here. 7goals in 1 game is class no matter what, not even Cruyff or vBasten managed that in this league with only Cr@p defences.

First of all, don’t shoot the messenger, I am just saying that this is Brazil’s point of view. Second Roamrio and Ronaldo HAD to prove a lot of people wrong. Romario almost didn’t go to 94 WC, remember?
People here in Brazil (the Brazil FA and some journalist) didn’t want him in the team and didn’t think that he would be too valuable for that tournament.

And Ronaldo until 2002 was seen like a marking product from Nike, A LOT and I say A LOT OF people here thought that he was just a physical player who scored tons of goals but nothing special (and look that he was a success in Barcelona and Inter )
So do you really think that Afonso would get a better treatment?

I know Brazil have always had great players but Ronaldo 95-98 was the best player I have ever seen!! He was absolutely phenomenal, I have never seen anyone destroy teams the way he did. If he hadnt got injured he would have gone on to be one of the greatest players of all time.

Seriously what does it take to impress you Brazilians??

juligen21 wrote:My only hope is for Madrid to put him on the bench, if not he will be in our first eleven in 2010. I have no doubt about this.

If Madrid bench him he will whine like a annoying bI@tch and demand a transfer, but I think he wont find too many "big clubs" after him (remember how he snubbed Totteham move, because he will only leave Madrid for a big club) like he is a phenomenal player setting the world on fire.

Bi@cth, please

Robinho has been on the bench the last several matches. Very disappointing. He showed glimpses of greatness his first season but we were so terrible you could understand why he was living up to his potential. Last year, Capello had him in a straightjacket the whole season and had no confidence. So this was going to be the year. We were going to play attacking football and Schuster was going to give him lots of freedom and after his good performances in Copa America, it the stage was set for him to explode. Instead, he's been Cr@p. And that's putting it mildly. If he doesn't come good, I wouldn't be surprised if he is sold after this season.

I say it once, I say it again, you want to see the true Robinho, put him in Raul's position.

robert wrote:I say it once, I say it again, you want to see the true Robinho, put him in Raul's position.

that could be it and it would annoy the hell out of me if he played great in that position for another team. im not giving up on robinho just yet. i still think he can turn it around but time is running out.

Rez wrote:





I know Brazil have always had great players but Ronaldo 95-98 was the best player I have ever seen!! He was absolutely phenomenal, I have never seen anyone destroy teams the way he did. If he hadnt got injured he would have gone on to be one of the greatest players of all time.


Seriously what does it take to impress you Brazilians??

It was a different moment you know, Ronaldo was in Holland no one here used to heard anything about him, then BUMP; Barcelona bought him and he was the best player in the world, and he should been in Brazil first team and he signed a super incredible deal with Nike, he was the Michael Jordan of football, and only 18 and this and that. And Brazilian media and sport journalist resented this very much.

If they didn’t see this way, then how dare and who were those Europeans journalist to say those things, Ronaldo was the symbol of the new super star in sport, making A LOT of money, Nike shining Star, the best paid athlete in Europe. I cant really explain, maybe it was our catholic and socialist guilt, that sees shame and sin in capitalism and money, But boy, they hunted him like a witch.

In the 98 WC he was blamed for everything that went wrong, he (and Rivaldo) carried that team to the final, he was the top goal scorer and people keep on saying that they wanted Edmundo in his place, he was booed by some fans, he was accused of being fat, the journalist accused the FA saying that Zagallo couldn’t take Ronaldo from the team because Nike wouldn’t accept. Its was under contract him being in the first eleven, he was a fraud Yeksssss (Yet, NO ONE asked what the hell Bebeto was doing in that team)

Today is very different, every single European League is watched here in Brazil you named, Premiership, La Liga, Italian, German, Portuguese, Dutch; so is pretty easy now to follow how the players are doing in Europe, and the audience for those tournaments also increased, a lot of people in Brazil follows La Liga or the Premiership with much more interest.

Also something changed about the way we see the player that is playing in Europe, now he is much more valued than the player that succeeds here in Brazil. In the nineties we used to see the players in the same light, now the player that plays in Brazil is a second rate professional.

And last, some players just don’t receive a fair treatment from the media, quite simple, some fall into their graces and some are ignored : Ze Roberto, Rivaldo, Cafu, Elano …..

mongrel hawk wrote:most brazilians don't watch european leagues

this explains the for elano who is currently the best player in the PL

you brazilians are lucky if you can give a player with his quality a

COTR wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:most brazilians don't watch european leagues

this explains the for elano who is currently the best player in the PL

you brazilians are lucky if you can give a player with his quality a

Hey, I am excited for Elano, and he IS getting lots of praises. If he continues like that, his place in Brazil is safe (dont forget that Gilberto isnt playing for Arsenal) City should just buy Diego, then it would be a party.


YES, we are a little bit snobich, maybe that why God is punishing us with Vagner Love

How many popes did you kill ?

juligen21 wrote:

Since 1888 wrote:

juligen21 wrote:

kas wrote:Even Elano in 8 games has made more of an impact than Robinho (though of course he was already in Europe with Shakhtar).

About Affonso, I am sorry but until he move to a stronger league, Brazilian pundits WONT take him serious, people her commented about the 7 goals, but also commented that the adversary was a weak team.

Yeah it really did a certain Ronaldo and Romaria any harm in here. 7goals in 1 game is class no matter what, not even Cruyff or vBasten managed that in this league with only Cr@p defences.

First of all, don’t shoot the messenger, I am just saying that this is Brazil’s point of view. Second Roamrio and Ronaldo HAD to prove a lot of people wrong. Romario almost didn’t go to 94 WC, remember?
People here in Brazil (the Brazil FA and some journalist) didn’t want him in the team and didn’t think that he would be too valuable for that tournament.

And Ronaldo until 2002 was seen like a marketing product from Nike, A LOT and I say A LOT OF people here thought that he was just a physical player who scored tons of goals but nothing special (and look that he was a success in Barcelona and Inter )
So do you really think that Afonso would get a better treatment?

You would expect people to have a different opinion on scoring loads of goals in the Dutch league after we gave Ronaldo and Romaria the perfect time to adjust in Europe.

juligen21 wrote:

COTR wrote:

mongrel hawk wrote:most brazilians don't watch european leagues

this explains the for elano who is currently the best player in the PL

you brazilians are lucky if you can give a player with his quality a

Hey, I am excited for Elano, and he IS getting lots of praises. If he continues like that, his place in Brazil is safe (dont forget that Gilberto isnt playing for Arsenal) City should just buy Diego, then it would be a party.


YES, we are a little bit snobich, maybe that why God is punishing us with Vagner Love

he has done well at man city but i doubt he can show the same form for brazil because at brazil there are other to do the fancy stuff so he wont get a free role and also teams always play very defensive against brazil so he wont get alot of space.

Why is Sobis not in the team , please don't tell me hes out of favour , hes better than Vagner Love !

juligen21 wrote:

Rez wrote:





I know Brazil have always had great players but Ronaldo 95-98 was the best player I have ever seen!! He was absolutely phenomenal, I have never seen anyone destroy teams the way he did. If he hadnt got injured he would have gone on to be one of the greatest players of all time.


Seriously what does it take to impress you Brazilians??

It was a different moment you know, Ronaldo was in Holland no one here used to heard anything about him, then BUMP; Barcelona bought him and he was the best player in the world, and he should been in Brazil first team and he signed a super incredible deal with Nike, he was the Michael Jordan of football, and only 18 and this and that. And Brazilian media and sport journalist resented this very much.

If they didn’t see this way, then how dare and who were those Europeans journalist to say those things, Ronaldo was the symbol of the new super star in sport, making A LOT of money, Nike shining Star, the best paid athlete in Europe. I cant really explain, maybe it was our catholic and socialist guilt, that sees shame and sin in capitalism and money, But boy, they hunted him like a witch.

In the 98 WC he was blamed for everything that went wrong, he (and Rivaldo) carried that team to the final, he was the top goal scorer and people keep on saying that they wanted Edmundo in his place, he was booed by some fans, he was accused of being fat, the journalist accused the FA saying that Zagallo couldn’t take Ronaldo from the team because Nike wouldn’t accept. Its was under contract him being in the first eleven, he was a fraud Yeksssss (Yet, NO ONE asked what the hell Bebeto was doing in that team)

I was always under the impression that Ronaldo was the golden boy in Brazil a bit like Owen, Beckham and Rooney were/are in England. I just assumed that because every football fan in the world (well in England certainly) loved him, so natuarally his fellow Brazilians would love him even more.

Despite what you say I cant begin to fathom how anyone could question his talent, just look at his (league) record before the 98 WC;

Cruzeiro 93/94 : 12 goals in 13 games
PSV 94 - 96 : 46 goals in 42 games
Barcelona 96/97 : 34 goals in 37 games
Inter 97/98 : 28 goals in 36 games
Brazil : 20 goals in 25 games

Before the 98 WC at the age of 21, he had scored 136 goals in 157 games while playing for club - in Brazil, Holland, Spain, Italy - and country.

The best thing about him wasnt the amount of goals he scored, but the type of goals he scored.

I am astonished that a player who was lauded in every part of the world didnt get any recognition in his own country. If he was English he would have been worshiped and probably knighted.

I think you Brazilians deserve Wagner Love as you have clearly had it too good for too long. Watching Love play for your country will bring you all back down to earth and when the next superstar comes through you will hopefully give him the respect he deserves. However if you still dont, send him over to England and we will