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    Post by fcb Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:25 pm

    Fey wrote:
    kas wrote:
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    Fey wrote:9-1 Pasanen

    lol!

    I'm guessing no one predicted this scoreline on the predictions game!

    It's not 9, Fey is just being the Iraqi information minister.

    Was off ofside, late call by the ref...

    Kas get your scorethingy back I miss it.

    Done Smile
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    Post by Effenberg Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:26 pm

    Good match by Bayern. Rensing did very well. He's so fast off the line. Kahn might have been in trouble in a few situations.

    Let's hope Klose will be back for the Lisbon match. He's exactly the player we missed most against them in the first leg.
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    Post by Fey Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:26 pm

    kas wrote:
    Fey wrote:
    kas wrote:
    Sheffield gunner wrote:
    Fey wrote:9-1 Pasanen

    lol!

    I'm guessing no one predicted this scoreline on the predictions game!

    It's not 9, Fey is just being the Iraqi information minister.

    Was off ofside, late call by the ref...

    Kas get your scorethingy back I miss it.

    Done Smile

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    Post by DeLux Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:45 pm

    Effenberg wrote:Good match by Bayern. Rensing did very well. He's so fast off the line. Kahn might have been in trouble in a few situations.

    Needs to spend less time punching his opponents.
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    Post by Effenberg Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:01 pm

    Juego de la Okkas wrote:
    Effenberg wrote:Good match by Bayern. Rensing did very well. He's so fast off the line. Kahn might have been in trouble in a few situations.

    Needs to spend less time punching his opponents.

    At least he's not biting them like Olli. Wink
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:43 pm

    Hansa Rostock - Stuttgart goals:

    http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2434799

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    Lovely freekick for the first goal. Gomez's finish was very composed as well, although the goalkeeper could have made the chance more difficult for him.

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    Leverkusen - Bayern goal:

    http://www.myvideo.de/watch/2433991
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    Post by anglophileHedgehog Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:10 pm

    Christian Schuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulz scores for Hanover against Duisburg. 1-0
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    Post by anglophileHedgehog Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:15 pm

    1-0 Cottbus (Rangelov)
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    Post by anglophileHedgehog Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:24 pm

    Hannover - Duisburg 1-1 (Ishiaku, 20')
    Cottbus - Frankfurt 2-0 (Rangelov, 18')
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:33 pm

    A surprisingly good start for Cottbus. Are you watching either of these games or just keeping track of the scores on a live ticker?
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    Post by anglophileHedgehog Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:54 pm

    Sheffield gunner wrote:A surprisingly good start for Cottbus. Are you watching either of these games or just keeping track of the scores on a live ticker?
    Sorry for the belated answer... Was listening to the radio conference while packing and having an early supper.

    FT results:
    Hanover-Duisburg 2-1 (Schulz scored the winner in the 63rd)

    Cottbus-Frankfurt 2-2 (Amanatidis scored twice in the second half, including a pen)
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:01 pm

    anglophileHedgehog wrote:
    Sheffield gunner wrote:A surprisingly good start for Cottbus. Are you watching either of these games or just keeping track of the scores on a live ticker?
    Sorry for the belated answer... Was listening to the radio conference while packing and having an early supper.

    FT results:
    Hanover-Duisburg 2-1 (Schulz scored the winner in the 63rd)

    Cottbus-Frankfurt 2-2 (Amanatidis scored twice in the second half, including a pen)

    No worries. I wasn't able to watch the matches. I had the rugby on and was working on my computer so I couldn't put one of the streams on.

    Glad to see Hannover win 2-1, that should get me a few prediction points!
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    Post by chrissicross Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:32 pm

    anglophileHedgehog wrote:Christian Schuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulz scores for Hanover against Duisburg. 1-0
    All you need is a (former) Bremen player. Very Happy Cool His second goal was brilliant. ok
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    Post by Tweesus Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:02 pm

    Sunday, 30 September 2007
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    Hannover 96 2-1
    (HT 1-1) MSV Duisburg
    Schulz 8
    Schulz 64
    Idrissou 20

    Bookings:
    Lala 42
    Pinto 84
    Bookings:
    Idrissou 40
    Schlicke 74
    Tiffert 75
    Grlic 84




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    Saturday, 29 September 2007
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    Bayer Leverkusen 0-1
    (HT 0-1) Bayern Munich
    Toni 40

    Bookings:
    Kiessling 29
    Friedrich 90
    Castro 90
    Bookings:
    Lell 62




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    Hamburg 2-2
    (HT 1-0) Wolfsburg
    Reinhardt 17
    Van der Vaart 70
    Grafite (pen) 57
    Dejagah 88

    Bookings:
    Simunek 53
    Grafite 69




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    Hansa Rostock 2-1
    (HT 2-0) VfB Stuttgart
    Rathgeb 16
    Orestes 18
    Gomez 73

    Bookings:
    Orestes 55
    Bookings:
    Tasci 53
    Ewerthon 70




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    Karlsruhe 3-1
    (HT 1-1) Borussia Dortmund
    Porcello 25
    Eggimann 64
    Freis 75
    Worns 41

    Bookings:
    Valdez 72




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    VfL Bochum 3-3
    (HT 1-1) Nurnberg
    Sestak 43
    Miecel 66
    Sestak 67
    Kluge 40
    Kluge 60
    Misimovic 80

    Bookings:
    Bonig 82
    Bookings:
    Schmidt 7
    Spiranovic 52
    Kluge 83




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    Werder Bremen 8-1
    (HT 4-1) Arminia Bielefeld
    Niemeyer 17
    Hugo Almeida 35
    Sanogo 41
    Sanogo 44
    Mertesacker 59
    Rosenberg 66
    Diego 85
    Hugo Almeida 88
    Wichniarek 36

    Bookings:
    Bollmann 84




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    Friday, 28 September 2007
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    Schalke 04 1-0
    (HT 1-0) Hertha Berlin
    Rafinha (pen) 44

    Bookings:
    Westermann 55
    Bookings:
    Von Bergen 43
    Mineiro 49
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:18 pm

    Newcomers Karlsruhe boar their way up to third

    After notching up a fifth win, newly-promoted Karlsruhe look set fair to become this season's Bundesliga overachievers.
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    Congratulations to Germany for winning the Women's World Cup in Shanghai, but commiserations to Willi Wildpark, the Bundesliga's least-known mascot. Millions of TV viewers must have wondered about the strange beast bouncing up and down excitedly on the touchline in Karlsruhe's stadium on Saturday - after all, Winfried Schäfer, the equally furry ex-manager, left the club long time ago.

    To be fair to Willi, it's really not his fault that he's anonymous. It's only his first season in the top flight; when Karlsruher Sport-Club Mühlburg-Phönix e. V last graced the Bundesliga in 1998, they still had Swinny the Fox scaring little children. Despite the obvious allure of the alliteration, the choice of a wild boar is certainly a brave one. These animals are a German delicacy, but they're also pig-ugly, very shy, and famous for being little more than the favourite food of Asterix and Obelix.

    If his team continue the way they have started, however, Willi will soon be accepted into the rank of famous German football pigs, like ex-Schalke legend Marc "Willy the War Hog" Wilmots and Bastian Schweinsteiger. As one happy KSC player after another was interviewed following their emphatic 3-1 win over Dortmund, Willi had a field day in the background. He waved into the camera, stuck up two thumbs and raised a fist in jubilation. He had finally arrived.

    And so have the team. After their fifth victory, the newly-promoted Badeners find themselves in third place in the table, behind title-chasing Bayern and Schalke, and look set to be this year's beloved plucky over-achievers. Not even a punch-up between keeper Markus Miller and South African Bradley Carnell following their 1-0 away victory in Frankfurt has proved detrimental to their progress. Miller had complained about Carnell's lack of defensive discipline; Carnell didn't like Miller's goal-kicks. When the argument turned a little physical, the goalkeeping coach got involved just in time: Miller, a keen hobby boxer, was close to knocking Carnell out.

    The German FA saw no need to punish these intra-team fisticuffs, however, and manager Edmund "Ede" Becker also let the brawlers off lightly: they had to apologise and pay for the team's breakfast the next day. Whatever they were serving up in the Wildpark Stadion (insert your own wild boar sausage joke here, please) must have done the trick. KSC fans and players were delirious on Saturday, some were even talking about Europe.

    "We are only accumulating points to stave off relegation," warned manager Becker. A KSC loyalist since 1990, the 51-year-old models himself on the reassuringly cheerless Werder boss Thomas Schaaf. "Passion trumps talent," he explained in old-school terms after the demolition of Dortmund and he added that "football is a running game" for good measure. Before the season, Becker thought he was already "60% fired in statistical terms", but both he and the intelligently-structured team seem good enough to stay the course.

    The same cannot be said of Thomas Doll, however. Three defeats on the trot have put poor Doll's head firmly on the chopping block. Borussia president Hans-Joachim Watzke remained silent in Karlsruhe but admitted to "puking" after Dortmund's 3-0 home defeat during the week. Even their own sponsor made fun of the team's ineptitude in a newspaper campaign.

    Once again, their performance was really quite revolting. Karlsruhe striker Sebastian Freis, who scored the home side's wonderful third goal, joked about the opposition's geriatric defence, Robert Kovac and Christian Wörns, who are a combined 68 years old. He called them "mature gentlemen with problems catching up". Roman Weidenfeller in goal has never conceded less than three goals, either.

    "Dolly" can point to injuries to key players like Sebastian Kehl and Alexander Frei, and he wasn't solely responsible for the composition of the squad, either - sporting director Michael Zorc has been buying duds for a many a year now. For Frankurter Rundschau, Borussia resemble only "a caricature of a class team" and the Ruhr Nachrichten has simply called them "a team of failures". The players have decided not to talk to the press - Schalke did the same last season - but that's only enraged the local media even more. "For many weeks, captain Wörns has been playing like the leading actor in his own silent movie," thundered the Ruhr Nachrichten. They were thinking of Laurel and Hardy, not Valentino.

    But the manager is still the main culprit in the eyes of public. Doll, whose friendly, guy-next-door attitude nearly got Hamburg relegated last season, has always resisted calls to be more authoritarian. He simply does not look convincing when he now talks "of a tough team meeting where tough words were spoken". He quickly cancelled a planned trip to the Oktoberfest beer festival in Munich, but can offer neither explanations nor genuine hope. In his desperation, he came over all biblical in Karlsruhe. "We are walking through a deep valley but we will get out of it," he said. The vultures are circling.

    Stuttgart, though, have fallen perhaps even harder. Their 2-1 defeat in Rostock compounded the joy of their fierce local rivals Karlsruhe, and confirmed their own terrible start to the season. All their confidence seems to have dissipated over the summer break and the defence, in particular, is an unmitigated disaster. Next up are Barcelona in the Champions League, so no worries there. "I think they might get some chances against us," said manager Armin Veh sarcastically.

    Bremen, on the other hand, "are beginning to heat up" quite nicely, according to sporting director Klaus Allofs. An 8-1 thrashing of Bielefeld proved that ridiculous results are not the prerequisite of Pompey and Reading, and the result has emboldened them to look at leaders Bayern with renewed confidence. Bremen not only covet the Bavarian's No1 spot but also one of their players: Lukas Podolski. The German international is unable to break up the Ribéry-Klose-Toni trident and cuts an increasingly forlorn figure.

    General manager Uli Hoeness has criticised his pedestrian playing style and lack of attitude on the pitch. In his home town of Cologne, "Poldi" was hyped up as a superstar, but at Bayern, people are less prone to "blow powdered sugar up his arse", as Hoeness delicately puts it. Werder, specialists in salvaging the careers of players (Diego and Boubacar Sanogo, for example), have offered an escape route in the winter break. Podolski will have to think about it - in Munich, he's in danger of becoming of becoming the best-paid spectator. Even Berni the Bear sees more action in the Allianz Arena these days.

    http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/10/01/newcomers_karlsruhe_boar_their.html
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:19 pm

    again if anybody had werder to win 8-1, then they should win this seasons predictions regardless
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    Post by Effenberg Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:47 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:again if anybody had werder to win 8-1, then they should win this seasons predictions regardless

    damn, i was thinking about it.
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    Post by Effenberg Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:53 pm

    Kahn will be out until the end of October. Had to have his right elbow operated on.

    Go, Rensing, go!
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    Post by DS Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:58 pm

    Just about to post the same thing Effi so if Miro doesnt make it would you want to see Poldi in or Toni upfront on his own.
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    Post by chrissicross Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:59 pm

    According to Klaus Allofs, Werder Bremen are still interested to sign Poldi (in the winter break). Erm

    http://syke.mzv.net/news/stories/werder/?id=91103
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:01 pm

    chrissi think that'd be a good move myself
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    Post by DS Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:07 pm

    Unfortunately have to say it would be good for the lad because at the moment he looks out of things.
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    Post by Axeslammer Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:10 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:Unfortunately have to say it would be good for the lad because at the moment he looks out of things.

    Looks like it would be good for all involved :

    * Bayern (he's not first choice and Kroos is better sub)
    * Werder (desperately need a striker)
    * Die Mannschaft (Poldi needs to play)
    * Poldi (Poldi needs to play)
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    Post by chrissicross Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:15 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:chrissi think that'd be a good move myself
    Well, I've always thought the same, but meanwhile I'm not so sure anymore he would be a success at Werder. I mean what did he show at Bayern so far? Okay, he was injured for a long time, but still. Then you could probably blame Bayern's former coach Magath, but even under Hitzfeld Poldi seems not overly willing to learn and improve. And I really rate Hitzfeld, he`s a very good coach...

    Mohamed Zidan didn't work at Werder Bremen, and I think Zidan and Podolski are similar characters.

    Maybe Bayern should loan him to Mainz. Wink
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    Post by Allez les rouges Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:30 pm

    I must say, I'm surprised at your negativity Chrissi. I still totally agree with Axe and Frank, and when you think of Lukas's great record for the national team and Werder's record at developing young players when they're given a chance to play regularly (and surely he would usually get into the first team at Werder), I don't see what's not to love. You sound just like Wurst-Uli with "even under Hitzfeld Poldi seems not overly willing to learn and improve"! He may have a point to an extent but it's been difficult for him with the combination of injuries and so rarely being first choice; with two top-class 29/30-year-old strikers ahead of him now and the Bayern "sink or swim" attitude, I don't think that's helping him at his age. I can hardly imagine that Werder are going to get a better striker or even one of comparable class, would indeed seem the perfect solution to all parties from my point of view.
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    Post by fcb Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:36 pm

    Why do Bremen need a striker? Sanogo and Rosenborg seem to be scoring just fine, no?
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    Post by chrissicross Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:53 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:I must say, I'm surprised at your negativity Chrissi. I still totally agree with Axe and Frank, and when you think of Lukas's great record for the national team and Werder's record at developing young players when they're given a chance to play regularly (and surely he would usually get into the first team at Werder), I don't see what's not to love. You sound just like Wurst-Uli with "even under Hitzfeld Poldi seems not overly willing to learn and improve"! He may have a point to an extent but it's been difficult for him with the combination of injuries and so rarely being first choice; with two top-class 29/30-year-old strikers ahead of him now and the Bayern "sink or swim" attitude, I don't think that's helping him at his age.
    Well, basically I just said that I´m not so optimistic anymore about Poldi (at Bremen). That´s all.

    (I also don´t think he was that great at the WC btw. If we´re honest, it was primarily Klose who made him shine...)

    Allez les rouges wrote:I can hardly imagine that Werder are going to get a better striker or even one of comparable class, would indeed seem the perfect solution to all parties from my point of view.
    We probably don't get a striker with a comparable "big name". Apart from that, we don't buy stars at Werder Bremen. We make them. Cool

    However, even if Bayern would let him go, they surely demand at least 10m Euro for him, which is not exactly a bargain...
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    Post by Allez les rouges Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:34 pm

    Fair enough if he would be that expensive, and your WM remark is fair too Chrissi. But even though he is a "star" already, he is young and as you observe has a great deal of room to develop (i.e. in a first team), hence my idea, where better than Werder Bremen?

    Come on kas, "just fine" is still no replacement for Klose, and even after Saturday's extraordinary result Werder will still want rather better than fifth in the league...
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    Post by Effenberg Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:01 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:Just about to post the same thing Effi so if Miro doesnt make it would you want to see Poldi in or Toni upfront on his own.

    I'd start with Toni on his own. Maybe add Poldi in the 2nd half, but he would probably play behind Toni. Not sure how fit he is, but Schlaudraff could also be an alternative in the 2nd half.

    I don't think we would sell Podolski during the winter break. Maybe after the season though, if he doesn't show any signs of improving. Either way I see us getting another (quality) striker for next season. (Baptista would be my no.1 choice.)

    Too bad Klose will miss the 2nd leg as well. This is exacly the kind of game where we need him.
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    Post by Stiftung Haeschentest Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:09 pm

    chrissicross wrote:
    Well, basically I just said that I´m not so optimistic anymore about Poldi (at Bremen). That´s all.

    (I also don´t think he was that great at the WC btw. If we´re honest, it was primarily Klose who made him shine...)

    I can't believe what you are writing here. Podolski might not, and as much as I hate this term, be a world class striker but he's still a very talented player, who is going through some rough times at the moment.
    Especially in your situation, where it is not sure, whether Klasnic and Hunt will ever come back or will have to face the end of their careers, you'd make a big mistake not to buy Podolski, if Bayern were to sell him, IMO.

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