Sheva v Henry who was the bigger flop

Henry being a flop in Italy was often used against him, and a reason Sheva was a superior striker. But now Sheva is in England, and despite playing on a small pitch against the Wigan's and Fulham's has been absolute pants. Mainly aimed at pierre and agooner

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Sheva in England: he has been truly awful in the premiership!

Gotta be Sheva, peak of his career, experienced, accomplished as opposed to Cheerwee who was as green as they come when he was at Yuwe.

robert wrote:Gotta be Sheva, peak of his career, experienced, accomplished as opposed to Cheerwee who was as green as they come when he was at Yuwe.

Wouldn't say he's at the peak of his career - He was 30 when he moved here, while Henry was about 21 when he was in Italy.

I'd say Sheva - but only just.

Peak imo is 28 - 32.

I don't know how you can say Sheva only just, almost all the factors are for Sheva bar that they were both played out of position.

Sheva, by a mile. RVN managed to do it in every league

Who else aside from Rossi and Henry have scored in the big 3 leagues?

Tweedle wrote:Who else aside from Rossi and Henry have scored in the big 3 leagues?

One of Rossi's team-mates

Calidad wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Who else aside from Rossi and Henry have scored in the big 3 leagues?

One of Rossi's team-mates

Jon Dahl Tomasson?

Jon Dahl Tomasson

Legend

Sheva.

robert wrote:Peak imo is 28 - 32.

I don't know how you can say Sheva only just, almost all the factors are for Sheva bar that they were both played out of position.

Henry - 16 games/3 goals
Sheva - 51 games/14 goals

I think it's quite clear that Sheva has been the bigger flop, but the gap isn't as big as some may think.

S4P wrote:

robert wrote:Peak imo is 28 - 32.

I don't know how you can say Sheva only just, almost all the factors are for Sheva bar that they were both played out of position.

Henry - 16 games/3 goals
Sheva - 51 games/14 goals

I think it's quite clear that Sheva has been the bigger flop, but the gap isn't as big as some may think.

Well it sort of is because henry was only beginning his career while shevchenko was supposed to be one of the world's best players. Only henry could get so much stick for what he did in italy at such a young age. It is pure and utter agenda driven nonsense

It's not just the goal stats, its everything else. Sheva has played at the highest levels, and accomplished far more before his move, same can't be said of Henry at that time.

Sheva already had the exerience of adapting to a new country and playing at a big club, Henry didn't.

Sheva already had the experience of playing in a league at a simillar level to the EPL, Henry moving from Monaco to Juve is a more significant step up than from Milan to Chelsea.

As I mentioned ealier, the only level they were simillar on in their respective moves is that they were both not played in their best positions.

S4P wrote:

robert wrote:Peak imo is 28 - 32.

I don't know how you can say Sheva only just, almost all the factors are for Sheva bar that they were both played out of position.

Henry - 16 games/3 goals
Sheva - 51 games/14 goals

What about just league goals?

I think Shevchenko got four league goals last season. I'm not sure how many games he played, I'd guess around 30. I think Henry got all of his Juve goals in the league.

Also count 30m transfer fees.

...and yet he still outperformed Henry in the KO phases of the CL last season -some things never change !

Shevchenko is finished physically which is one mitigating factor.

You need skill to play up front in Italy and physical qualities to play up front in England - hence they both flopped.

Cesc wrote:A real legend

True story.

Paul Robinson wrote:

Cesc wrote:A real legend

True story.

A rapist and a murderer in one...and with his 31 he too fat for Lille

Legend....

shevvers easy, henry played as a left midfield for juve in many games and didn't really get a chance, bet his first 15 games for arsenal were not amazing either. Shever can hardly run or trap the ball now, to be honest it makes me a bit sad as he was a legend: time for Qutar now or USa with becks. free transfer.

Sheffield gunner wrote:I think Shevchenko got four league goals last season. I'm not sure how many games he played, I'd guess around 30. I think Henry got all of his Juve goals in the league.

There's no doubt Sheva's been the bigger flop but you can argue that Sheva is past his best, while Henry was at an early stage of his 'peak years' (i.e. no longer a 'kid' but not the finished article).

Also, if you argue that Henry was played as a winger, that arguably makes him a bigger flop, considering he only got 2 assists in his time at Juve.

Sheva = one of the biggest flops in football history.

Owen wrote:Sheva = one of the biggest flops in football history.

The most expensive flop untill Beckham proves to be injured for 4½ years of his five year stay at LA Galaxy. And not impressing when he does play. He'll still selll the shirts... er jerseys though.

Quote me on this one.

DD wrote:

Owen wrote:Sheva = one of the biggest flops in football history.

The most expensive flop untill Beckham proves to be injured for 4½ years of his five year stay at LA Galaxy. And not impressing when he does play. He'll still selll the shirts... er jerseys though.

Quote me on this one.

than he would have done his job

sheva no doubt for me

Pierre Littbarski wrote:...and yet he still outperformed Henry in the KO phases of the CL last season -some things never change !

Shevchenko is finished physically which is one mitigating factor.

You need skill to play up front in Italy and physical qualities to play up front in England - hence they both flopped.

yeah that's why the likes of David'can't control a ball for $hit'Trezeguet are such huge flops there.

Cesc wrote:A real legend

was a far bigger flop than henry in Italy.

@ Pierre

did he also lack the skills to play upfront in Italy?