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    Post by Nightwing Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:04 am

    COTR wrote:
    TRWP wrote:I see Scholes' contribution goes unnoticed again. Cant tackle for $h!t, but is there a better englishman over the last decade at retaining the ball? Technical perfection from the little ginger. Thought United looked very cohesive in midfield in the second half, up until the last 10 minutes
    of course it went unnoticed

    there was a far more simple explanation for it than you are trying to give but i'll keep that to myself Biggrin


    another cracking performance from united and another fully deserved win What a Face

    Its funny when L'pool play SHITE f'tball year in year out - dishing borefest buffets - no one complains - when T'Redbloods start playing games without the BIG NUMBERS by way of goals but still win games and play good football (in only the first month or so t'season with a NEW set of players settling in) - all hell breask lose!!!
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    Post by Nightwing Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:09 am

    The Red Wiz 3 - 0 King Totti Laughing
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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:01 am

    Roger Hunt wrote: I think Nani's looked useful - I'll predict that if you score he'll be involved.

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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:22 am

    Nightwing wrote:FFS Carrick(!!!) Doh
    thank fook for that, i see somebody thought he played well, i only saw extended highlights but he looked goddamn awful.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:47 am

    Nightwing wrote:The Red Wiz 3 - 0 King Totti Laughing

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    Post by Lard Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:50 am

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:
    Nightwing wrote:FFS Carrick(!!!) Doh
    thank fook for that, i see somebody thought he played well, i only saw extended highlights but he looked goddamn awful.

    He was good, but not great. Nani, rio and totti all had much better games. also carrick could have easily given away a penalty
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:51 am

    Nani didn't have that good a game in truth. He was excellent or very poor - he put you in a lot of danger twice, so even though he created your best chances, I'd still only give him a 7 if we were doing ratings.

    Rio I'd give 8 to - I think he was easily the best player out there last night
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:53 am

    L r d wrote:

    He was good, but not great. Nani, rio and totti all had much better games. also carrick could have easily given away did commit a foul in the box but the ref didn't give a penalty
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    Post by Rez Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:44 am

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    bluenine wrote:Great strike by Rooney to take the 3 points, well done.

    I saw little of the game (just the last 20 minutes) but what I saw looked pretty even. Which is good, coz hopefully it will make Roma self destruct in frustation in Serie A Wink


    The last 20 mins weren't very different from the rest of the game. It was quite even throughout. Man. Utd. just about edged it and deserved the 3 points. Roma were not far off with some of their shots though.

    Sometimes I honestly think you're watching different games.

    The game was very dull indeed. I think a draw was the fairest result even though Roma made the clearest chances. United looked livelier on the wings, and Rooney took the goal brilliantly. Nani also skinned the Roma defence a few times.

    It wasnt the best game, it was very even and in the end Roma had the better chances. However before the goal Roma didnt really look threatning, they had lots of neat passing (around 35 yards away from goal) but they really lacked a potent goal threat. Only when they brought a striker on, did they look like scoring.It was the same last season in Rome, they didnt look like scoring in open play until they brought a centre forward on.

    I dont think that their famed no forward formation works against a side with good (fast) defenders, as they lack midfielders (like a Ronaldo or a Lampard) who love scoring and are always trying to get into the penalty area and score.
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    Post by Rez Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:48 am

    Tweedle wrote:Nani didn't have that good a game in truth. He was excellent or very poor - he put you in a lot of danger twice, so even though he created your best chances, I'd still only give him a 7 if we were doing ratings.

    Rio I'd give 8 to - I think he was easily the best player out there last night

    I thought Rio was excellent, Totti was their best player and Ronaldo had a few good moments.

    Nani varied between fantastic and awful, but he has shown that he has the potential to be a very good player.
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    Post by Parks lives Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:49 am

    I don't think Rossi was there best player. For me it was between De Rossi and Aquailani, great midfield partnership.
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    Post by Isco Benny Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:06 pm

    Rio was brilliant last night.

    We talk about big game players- Rio is one of them. Usually a bit $h!t against the smaller, less significant games,

    but World Cups, Champions Leagues- he was awasome against a very very good attacking Roma side.

    Roma ahould do considerably better this season in the CL than the last. A heavyweight of Europe
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    Post by Lard Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:35 pm

    Rez wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Nani didn't have that good a game in truth. He was excellent or very poor - he put you in a lot of danger twice, so even though he created your best chances, I'd still only give him a 7 if we were doing ratings.

    Rio I'd give 8 to - I think he was easily the best player out there last night



    I thought Rio was excellent, Totti was their best player and Ronaldo had a few good moments.



    Nani varied between fantastic and awful, but he has shown that he has the potential to be a very good player.

    Of course he has the potential, but who cares if he ruins a few chances if he also makes a really good chances. Most were all of his own making anyhow. All our good chances came from Nani is some way. He hasnt come into the free flowing team of last year, he has come into a team playing shite, new country only 20 people far to harsh on this guy.
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    Post by DS Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:56 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:
    Nightwing wrote:FFS Carrick(!!!) Doh
    thank fook for that, i see somebody thought he played well, i only saw extended highlights but he looked goddamn awful.
    Dont think there was a need here.
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    Post by bluenine Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:46 pm

    Aquilani is out for 2 months... feel bad for the lad, just when he was making his presence felt for the azzurri.

    Parks lives wrote:I don't think Rossi was there best player. For me it was between De Rossi and Aquailani, great midfield partnership.
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    Post by Rez Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:31 pm

    L r d wrote:
    Rez wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Nani didn't have that good a game in truth. He was excellent or very poor - he put you in a lot of danger twice, so even though he created your best chances, I'd still only give him a 7 if we were doing ratings.

    Rio I'd give 8 to - I think he was easily the best player out there last night



    I thought Rio was excellent, Totti was their best player and Ronaldo had a few good moments.



    Nani varied between fantastic and awful, but he has shown that he has the potential to be a very good player.

    Of course he has the potential, but who cares if he ruins a few chances if he also makes a really good chances. Most were all of his own making anyhow. All our good chances came from Nani is some way. He hasnt come into the free flowing team of last year, he has come into a team playing shite, new country only 20 people far to harsh on this guy.

    I agree he created a few of the opportunities himself, I do think the criticisms about him giving the ball away in dangerous areas are justified.

    He has 3 assists and a goal so he has made a good start to his united career. His game is still very raw, but Luso told us that would be the case.

    Now its time for Anderson to start a few games. I cant wait to watch him play, as from what i have seen of him - before he joined united - he is the real deal.
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    Post by Calidad Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:05 pm

    I've not been overly impressed by Nani really. I'd never seen him play in Portugal, so other than the U21 (where I didn't see anything to get excited about) - so him playing for Utd is really the most I've seen of him. He has good technique and a decent shot. Doesn't look particularly skillful, his crossing and passing are average. IMO isn't worth the price tag, and won't be a patch on Giggs (in his prime) Least with Ronaldo you could always tell that he had awesome ability and something special about him.
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    Post by DS Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:15 pm

    bluenine wrote:Aquilani is out for 2 months... feel bad for the lad, just when he was making his presence felt for the azzurri.

    Parks lives wrote:I don't think Rossi was there best player. For me it was between De Rossi and Aquailani, great midfield partnership.
    The knee he twisted while taking a shot?
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    Post by Football Genius Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:19 pm

    I've watched a little of Nani, and in flashes hes shown some very good touches dribbles and executing (crossing and shooting)

    The problem he and the vast majority of young players have is his consistancy, which ultimately will determine whether he becomes a top class player, or a talented one who has indifferent form.

    I personally think he'll come good, he looks determined from his body language and performances, he obviously is quick and has an eye for goal, i think its probably his passing that needs some work, i.e when to pass when to run at a player (very much Ronaldos problem when he arrived)

    I'd be more concerned about Anderson, simply because currently the role he enjoys playing doesn't exist at Utd, especially with Tevez and Rooney roaming into that space inbetween defence and midfield also.
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    Post by Calidad Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:23 pm

    Football Genius wrote:I've watched a little of Nani, and in flashes hes shown some very good touches dribbles and executing (crossing and shooting)

    The problem he and the vast majority of young players have is his consistancy, which ultimately will determine whether he becomes a top class player, or a talented one who has indifferent form.

    I personally think he'll come good, he looks determined from his body language and performances, he obviously is quick and has an eye for goal, i think its probably his passing that needs some work, i.e when to pass when to run at a player (very much Ronaldos problem when he arrived)

    I'd be more concerned about Anderson, simply because currently the role he enjoys playing doesn't exist at Utd, especially with Tevez and Rooney roaming into that space inbetween defence and midfield also.

    I think Anderson has more potential than Nani. I don't think Nani will ever be more than a 'good' player.

    Ronaldo lacked consistency for the early part of his career at Utd, but he's showed moments of sheer brilliance. I personally haven't seen anything from Nani to suggest he will become a top player.
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    Post by Football Genius Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:29 pm

    I think Nani already looks a better team player than Ronaldo every has, that is why i feel he has the potential to grow into the team to become a permanent fixture, i like Anderson, my concern isn't his ability or being able to adapt to english football, its the opportunities he will be given, at his age he simply needs to be playing to continue his development.
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    Post by bluenine Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:31 pm

    Yeah, most likely its just a thigh tear.... but apparently Aquilani felt a snap, and there are fears that he may have suffered a recurrence of the thigh injury that sidelined him for six months last year. That would be horrible, as it would mean almost 6 months out again!

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    bluenine wrote:Aquilani is out for 2 months... feel bad for the lad, just when he was making his presence felt for the azzurri.

    Parks lives wrote:I don't think Rossi was there best player. For me it was between De Rossi and Aquailani, great midfield partnership.
    The knee he twisted while taking a shot?
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    Post by Lard Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:37 pm

    Calidad wrote:I've not been overly impressed by Nani really. I'd never seen him play in Portugal, so other than the U21 (where I didn't see anything to get excited about) - so him playing for Utd is really the most I've seen of him. He has good technique and a decent shot. Doesn't look particularly skillful, his crossing and passing are average. IMO isn't worth the price tag, and won't be a patch on Giggs (in his prime) Least with Ronaldo you could always tell that he had awesome ability and something special about him.

    Well it's difficult to say that right now. I didn't want us to sign Nani what i saw i didn't really like. But since we have i have been impressed for sure. He is skillful, but he rarely uses tricks maybe the odd stepover. His game is direct and he knows how to find a goal. There is just minor things he needs to brush up on, and of course year by year he will get better. Anderson so far has looked $h!t but again it's early days.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:12 pm

    TRWP wrote:Rio was brilliant last night.

    We talk about big game players- Rio is one of them. Usually a bit $h!t against the smaller, less significant games,

    but World Cups, Champions Leagues- he was awasome against a very very good attacking Roma side.

    Roma ahould do considerably better this season in the CL than the last. A heavyweight of Europe

    really? i seem to remember some really amateurish mistakes in big games against Milan, Real etc.
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    Post by Parks lives Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:25 pm

    Like...
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:42 pm

    Parks lives wrote:Like...

    not understanding the offside rule against Ronaldo.

    Being caught totally flat footed by Crespo.

    i could go on..
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    Post by Parks lives Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:44 pm

    He was excellent against Crespo in the first leg, granted Crespo done him with the header in the return game.

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