If Ramos does go to Spurs, what then for Sevilla?

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I personally think their already shaky season will go downhill, because I can't see who they'll bring in that can motivate the players and get them producing results again. Dani Alves will leave in January, as might a couple of others.

Still waiting for the Spanish press to pick up on this, so we can really find out what's going on on Ramos' side.

Also, I'm surprised to see all the English papers immediately jumping to the conclusion that Ramos will join immediately. Even if he had a verbal agreement with them, it was to take over next summer, and he may not agree to leave Sevilla midway through the current season. So it's not as cut and dry as it seems to many people...I still wouldn't rule out the likes of Klinsmann. Or it may also be Poyet coming in as Asst. Manager, handling things till the end of the season, and Ramos eventually joining.

Can't see Klinsmann wanting to be a number two; could se Poyet coming though. Also pointless Ramos coming now. Sevilla would have to be compensated and Tottenham are unlikely to do much this season anyway. Should look to survive first and then mid-table and then Intertoto. From Sevilla's point of view they should let Ramos go early if there is no chance of getting him to stay next season, as they may as well get compensation for him.

graham hunter on sky last night said he'd be v suroprised if ramos left seville immediately, he was also of the opinion that if it happened it'd be next summer, but a bit of a dampner on ssn presenter

From goal.com:

Juande Tells Sevilla He Wants To Leave Now


Juande Ramos has told Sevilla that he wants to leave the club immediately after receiving an ultimatum from Tottenham Hotspur to take over from Martin Jol.

The coach took training as normal on Friday morning, but then communicated his desire to take up the incredible offer from the Premiership side, according to Marca.

A meeting with club president José María del Nido and sporting director Monchi was thought to be ongoing at the club's training complex.

Tottenham are reported to have offered Ramos a four-year deal worth €28m, dwarfing the salary that he has been on with the Andalucian outfit.

Del Nido could be prepared to let the coach leave if the conditions are right and it is believed that an emergency meeting of the board was called last night to discuss how much compensation to demand.

Monchi was in London this week and attended Tottenham's UEFA Cup tie with Getafe after being told in advance that Jol was set to be sacked.

The English press have reported en masse that the north London club want Ramos installed as soon as possible and have told him to either accept the latest offer or they will look elsewhere.

Having made a move to England his priority, the 53-year-old is keen to move on, despite being in the middle of a Champions League campaign with Sevilla.

Relations with Del Nido have been strained and the financial lure for him personally and to bolster his team with at Tottenham has been a huge pull.

It's funny, with all of the criticism the other day of Benitez being overrated and how he just inherited Cuper's team and that's where his success at Valencia came from...Ramos is really not any different. Caparros really laid the foundation for today's Sevilla, not to mention that it was Monchi who was exclusively responsible for the players brought in. I feel like Sevilla are more likely to find a manager that can come in a do a job than Ramos is to go and have success in Tottenham.

Jaime wrote:It's funny, with all of the criticism the other day of Benitez being overrated and how he just inherited Cuper's team and that's where his success at Valencia came from...Ramos is really not any different. Caparros really laid the foundation for today's Sevilla, not to mention that it was Monchi who was exclusively responsible for the players brought in. I feel like Sevilla are more likely to find a manager that can come in a do a job than Ramos is to go and have success in Tottenham.

this is very much a case of people with a little knowledge (eg the spuds board) being dangerous. They obviously nkow nothing of the set-up at Sevilla, otherwise they would question whether he really is the right person. i think he may make a go of it, but there is a BUT. He wont do naff all on signings at spuds either mind comolli does all that

The Spurs board have basically f@cked up 2 clubs with their stupidity. Ramos is a good manager, but I can't see him doing any better than Jol did, and both clubs are now going to have a huge turnover of players.

Very interesting input here, thx guys Particularly good insight re. who had been behind Ramos' success. It comes across as a similar situation as Chelsea, where Mourinho was lucky to have had the foundations of the team laid down by Rainieri.

If Ramos doesn't go to Spurs, what then for Sevilla?

Jaime wrote:It's funny, with all of the criticism the other day of Benitez being overrated and how he just inherited Cuper's team and that's where his success at Valencia came from...Ramos is really not any different. Caparros really laid the foundation for today's Sevilla, not to mention that it was Monchi who was exclusively responsible for the players brought in. I feel like Sevilla are more likely to find a manager that can come in a do a job than Ramos is to go and have success in Tottenham.

too true.
Juande is good i think but not as great he is said to be. if the foundations is already there he can prob do a job. Monchi is imo the keyfactor and the hole organisation of sevilla has been perfect with good young players always coming through to provide along with Monchis buys. with that said Juande has done well to take over but im not sure he can take over from Jol because he they dont have the same defensive stability that sevilla had after caparros.

Do you really think Ramos will leave Sevilla like that, while they are still well placed to go through the second round of the C.L? For his club and supporters he should at least finish this year. If he really leaves that would be mainly for his personal benefits such as having his incomes multiplied by 2 or 3. To be honest, staying at Sevilla would be a better option than going to Tottenham, where things are not looking good right now.

Glenn Hysén wrote:If Ramos doesn't go to Spurs, what then for Sevilla?

Sevilla may well be done with him after this season anyhow, depending on how things go. Del Nido is quite ambitious and I don't think he will be content to see Sevilla back in the UEFA Cup next season. I think Sevilla aim is to establish themselves as a regular in the top 4 of la liga but I don't know, there are two many good teams that, in any given season, can finish any where from 1-6. Still, Del Nido will try and if Juande can't manage it, he'll find someone else who can. One thing abou Sevilla is that they are not scared to make a change in personnel. They've done it with players and managers. The constants are Del Nido and Monchi.

The interesting thing is that one of the (supposed) reasons why Juande wants to leave is because he wants to have total control over the sporting aspects of the club, including signings. As if Monchi has done him wrong these last several years?

And he's not going to have that at Spurs either, because they are one of the few English clubs to have a sporting director (Commolli) that dictates signings

But he will at least have less meddling from an annoying character like Del Nido.

So then he's going for the money.

Jaime wrote:The interesting thing is that one of the (supposed) reasons why Juande wants to leave is because he wants to have total control over the sporting aspects of the club, including signings. As if Monchi has done him wrong these last several years?

I think recently Monchi's signings haven't been as good, specifically Koné and Kerzhakov.

kas wrote:And he's not going to have that at Spurs either, because they are one of the few English clubs to have a sporting director (Commolli) that dictates signings

But he will at least have less meddling from an annoying character like Del Nido.

Comolli used to work for Wenger - our Fifth Columnist at WHL

I thought the Kerzhakov signing was quite clever tbh.

Kone was an interesting one, it's the sort of signing I would expect from a big club. ie. buying a talented young player from a smaller league. But perhaps it was Sevilla's way of saying "we're ready for the big time".

What I find surprising is a bit of lack of planning in the defensive signings - right now they have Drago, Navarro, Escude, Alves, Hinkel, Boulahrouz, Mosquera, and Fazio. Ramos also uses Adriano and Duda at LB. That's a lot of players, most of whom demand first team places.

I think it's a bit early to judge Kone and I think Kerzhakov has done well enough considering he isn't a regular. If I were going to be harsh with Monchi it would be for Boulahrouz. Not so sure about Mosquera either. But Federico Fazio for example, I think could end up being another one of his "findings".

I think Koné's a donkey. He's got all the physical attributes to be a good striker, but as soon as he gets in a goalscoring position he panics and fluffs it. In the couple of games he's played you could create a YouTube compilation of his sitters.

I read an article a while back saying Monchi plans to retire within 2-3 seasons. Sevilla will be hoping he leaves their academy in good shape...it's certainly doing well right now.

Perhaps, but you could have said the same thing about Higuain last season and this year his finishing is much more composed.

Juego de la Okkas wrote:I think Koné's a donkey. He's got all the physical attributes to be a good striker, but as soon as he gets in a goalscoring position he panics and fluffs it. In the couple of games he's played you could create a YouTube compilation of his sitters.

That's probably the only (major) flaw he has, and it's typical of what we saw from some of the African teams at the World Cup...otherwise his creativity is excellent.

I think he can become a good player, but needs a lot of work on his shooting. Or maybe convert him into an attacking midfielder.

Higuain's proved he's a good finisher at River. Kone just isn't a natural goalscorer - which is why he was shunted on to the left of that 4-3-3 formation PSV played.

kas wrote:I read an article a while back saying Monchi plans to retire within 2-3 seasons. Sevilla will be hoping he leaves their academy in good shape...it's certainly doing well right now.

Yeah, Sevilla Atletico in 4th place in segunda! I'd love for us to steal Jose Crespo.

Juego de la Okkas wrote:Higuain's proved he's a good finisher at River. Kone just isn't a natural goalscorer - which is why he was shunted on to the left of that 4-3-3 formation PSV played.

Perhaps, but if he is playing alongside Kanoute, a bonafide goalscorer, it maybe matters less...he still creates a lot of danger imo.

Jaime wrote:

kas wrote:I read an article a while back saying Monchi plans to retire within 2-3 seasons. Sevilla will be hoping he leaves their academy in good shape...it's certainly doing well right now.

Yeah, Sevilla Atletico in 4th place in segunda! I'd love for us to steal Jose Crespo.

He's the LB, no? Saw him at the U-20 World Cup, was very good

Capel could become a new Vicente, though right now he's a bit 1-trick - runs down the line and makes (excellent) crosses.

Crespo's a right back.

Saw Capel against Steaua. I reckon he's faster than Navas, but he still drifts balls in á la Lennon.