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    Post by DS Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:33 am

    I know we have a thread about sacking Jol but I think this deserves its own thread.

    Tottenham Hotspur have confirmed the appointment of Juande Ramos as their new manager on a contract that runs until 2011.


    Ramos, who resigned from his post as Sevilla coach on Friday night, replaces Martin Jol who left the North Londoners after Thursday's Uefa Cup defeat to Getafe.

    Ramos' first game in charge of first-team affairs will be next week's Carling Cup clash with Blackpool with with development coach Clive Allen and youth team boss Alex Inglethorpe at the helm for Sunday's Premier League clash against Blackburn at White Hart Lane.

    Spurs have also confirmed that they have requested permission from Leeds to speak to assistant manager Gustavo Poyet with a view to the Uruguayan joining Ramos' coaching staff.

    One man definitely joining Spurs' back-room staff is Marcos Alvarez who resigned from his position as Sevilla's physical trainer to follow Ramos to North London.


    Excitement




    Ramos expressed his excitement at the opportunity to test himself in England and insisted it was a chance he had always coveted.

    "I greatly appreciate the opportunity to work as head coach at Tottenham Hotspur, a club with a great tradition and history," he told the club's official website.

    "Ever since I started my coaching career I have wanted to work in England. It is my sincere hope that I can repay the faith the Spurs board has shown in me.

    "I am looking forward to meeting the players. It is a squad any coach would be excited to work with. I genuinely believe that there is the potential to achieve great things together.

    "I was hugely impressed with the Spurs fans both home and away when Sevilla played Spurs last season and it will be a privilege to be the coach of this club with the huge support it enjoys both at White Hart Lane and throughout the world."

    Tottenham sporting director Damien Comolli was delighted that the club's pursuit of the Spaniard had finally borne fruit, declaring: "Juande's arrival is great news for Tottenham Hotspur.

    "He brings with him a wealth of experience, a proven track record and a winning pedigree. Now is the time for us to regroup and look to deliver the results and performances that everyone associated with the Club wants to see.

    "By making the appointment at this stage of the season, with our current, talented group of players, we have given ourselves the opportunity to compete well in all four competitions.

    "Juande is a highly respected coach and his agreement to join us is excellent news. I know he is eager to get started."
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    Post by DS Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:36 am

    And a very related story

    Spurs move for Poyet


    Ramos keen to bring Leeds' assistant boss to White Hart Lane



    Leeds United are resigned to losing assistant manager Gus Poyet after receiving an official approach for his services from Tottenham.


    Poyet stayed away from Leeds' defeat of Millwall on Saturday and following the appointment of Juande Ramos, Spurs have moved for their former midfielder.

    The Premier League club have confirmed they wish Poyet to work alongside Ramos in a new look coaching regime.

    "We have requested permission from Leeds United to speak to Gus Poyet in order to invite him to join the Club to work with Ramos alongside Alvarez," read an official statement.
    Speaking after the 4-2 win over Millwall, United's acting assistant manager Alan Thompson said Dennis Wise had spoken to the team about Poyet leaving.
    "We wish him well. He texted everyone today and said good luck. We do wish him well.
    "He's a big part of what's happening here and he'll be missed but Leeds United is a big club and you have to get on with it. These things happen in football.
    "Good luck to Gus, whatever he does.
    "You look at Gus. He's got great experience, he's a great coach, so he will be missed, but I think he is replaceable and things move on."
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    Post by DS Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:39 am

    So the basic questions are
    Is this a good move?
    Can Ramos make Spurs acheive what Sevilla had like Uefa cup and a title challenge?
    Will the partnership work ?Would this partnership work or it wouldnt matter if Spurs didnt go for Poyet?
    How much budget would he get?
    What would be first signings ? Sevilla players (palop,Alves etc) or non Sevilla players?
    How much time would he have?

    Any other you want to add please do so.
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    Post by Tweesus Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:02 am

    Dark Savante wrote:
    Is this a good move?

    I think so. A lot is being made about the importance of Monchi at Sevilla but Ramos still had to get the squad playing. Spurs also have their own sporting director so its not as though Ramos will do a Benitez.

    Can Ramos make Spurs acheive what Sevilla had like Uefa cup and a title challenge?

    Depends how much he gets to spend next summer. But I think they're only a couple of players away from a very good squad. They need to get back the desire to win though, which they seem to have lost.

    Will the partnership work ?Would this partnership work or it wouldnt matter if Spurs didnt go for Poyet?

    Difficult to predict, but Poyet seems a very amicable person. He also forms a valuable link - knowing the style of the EPL, but also having a knowledge of various tactical systems

    How much budget would he get?

    Not sure, £30m next summer maybe, + money from sales

    What would be first signings ? Sevilla players (palop,Alves etc) or non Sevilla players?

    Not neccessarily Sevilla players. As I have said, he won't be in charge of transfers. He's likely to have a decent knowledge of the Spanish market though
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:26 am

    Spurs may face 'tapping-up' claim

    Sevilla president Jose Maria Del Nido says Tottenham illegally approached Juande Ramos and he plans to report them to football's governing bodies.
    Ramos quit the Spanish club on Friday evening and was named as Martin Jol's successor at Spurs the next day.

    Del Nido told the Sunday Express: "If Spurs wanted Ramos they had to speak to me, but they approached him directly.

    "They have acted incorrectly and I shall report them to Fifa and Uefa to defend my rights."

    The paper says that Sevilla are asking for £3.3m in compensation from the White Hart Lane club.

    Leeds chairman Ken Bates was also unhappy about the way Spurs have pursued his assistant manager Gus Poyet.

    Bates says he first learned of the news from a report on television.

    "I was watching the Uefa Cup ties on Thursday when Sky told me my assistant manager was off to Spurs," he said.

    "What's that all about?"

    Spurs have also been criticised for their handling of Jol's sacking.

    Jol says he only found out he had been sacked as Tottenham manager when his nephew Rob told him seconds after the 2-1 Uefa Cup defeat to Getafe on Thursday night.

    Reports that the Dutchman had been dismissed filtered through to supporters at White Hart Lane, who chanted his name in support.

    Jol admitted he was "embarrassed" that supporters knew his fate before he did.

    He told The People: "The first I knew was when I saw my nephew in the tunnel immediately after the game and he pulled me to one side and told me what everyone else seemed to know already.

    "So it is rubbish to say that I heard it before the game."

    Despite that embarrassment, Jol denies he angrily confronted Spurs chairman Daniel Levy as some reports suggested.

    "I don't have a problem with Daniel or the club because they treated me very well throughout my time there.

    "I am going to have a few weeks off but I would love to stay in English football.

    "I have a house here, my daughter is settled in school and we love it in England."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/7066055.stm
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    Post by Zack Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:49 am

    I think this season will be like a void and He Ramos will try and Salvage some respectablity. Everyone knows, when a new man comes in, he and his coaching staffs needs time to get to know the players, get there own system working, inbed there own new signings etc

    Can Ramos help us challange a top 4 place next season? Ofcourse he can, but certinly not this season.

    All in all, I am happy that we atleast got a new man in and weren't in Limbo for the coming months. I think our Sporting Director will be more pleased with Ramos than with Jol (It was evident that those two didn't agree with eachother)..

    With regards to Jol, the sacking was neccesary, but the way he was treated by the board, after the way he has transformed us was disgraceful. Jol will alway be a legend for us, why? Coz he was always committed and passionete and brought us exciting players and at times exciting promise.

    Lets see what the Ramos era brings....
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    Post by Tweesus Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:49 am

    You can still win the UEFA cup ok
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    Post by Zack Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:56 am

    Perhaps, even with that we have a up-hill task, after losing our home game!

    I was thinking more of the F.a Cup....

    Anyways, it all depends how quickly Ramos settles down....
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:02 am

    Tweedle wrote:You can still win the UEFA cup ok

    Or a domestic cup, or look for UEFA cup qualification for next year. The season's a write off for Spurs in terms of the big enchilada, CL qualification, but there's plenty left to play for, we're only at the end of October.


    Ramos is a mark above Jol tactically, and built a good team at Seville without a massive amount of money. Given time and a decent budget he could do very well indeed.

    I expect him to sell Bent and buy Kanoute, and then look at getting a proper left winger and a balanced central midfield (rather than two sitting midfielders or two goalscoring midfielders). They could also do with a centrehalf as Dawson seems to have lost what composure and sense he had, and is becoming a talentless hoofer - a poor man's John Terry, who is himself a poor man's Terry Butcher.

    And then there's the big position - goalkeeper. They should sell Robinson to whoever will buy him and find themselves another keeper, because he's at fault for about 1 in every 3 goals that they concede, so about one goal a week of late. That's not good enough for a side looking to break the top four next season.

    Spurs have a decent squad, and have missed King and Lennon enormously. With those two back and a couple of additions in January (if I were Ramos, I'd go for the keeper there and then), they'll be a vastly different prospect and may actually get somewhere this season. Otherwise, write it off and make sure they get it right for next time.
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    Post by Tweesus Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:10 am

    Rabbit wrote:


    Ramos is a mark above Jol tactically, and built a good team at Seville without a massive amount of money. Given time and a decent budget he could do very well indeed.

    They could have done a hell of a lot worse. His nomination for World Manager of the Year demonstrates the guys ability. This is a top class manager.

    I expect him to sell Bent and buy Kanoute, and then look at getting a proper left winger and a balanced central midfield (rather than two sitting midfielders or two goalscoring midfielders). They could also do with a centrehalf as Dawson seems to have lost what composure and sense he had, and is becoming a talentless hoofer - a poor man's John Terry, who is himself a poor man's Terry Butcher.

    The papers are running stories today that he definately wants to bring back Kanouté and that he also wants to bring Alves over (which is strange as Chimiffer is more than adequate. Certainly need a decent AM though and a centre back. I'd love to see them get serious on Lucho.

    And then there's the big position - goalkeeper. They should sell Robinson to whoever will buy him and find themselves another keeper, because he's at fault for about 1 in every 3 goals that they concede, so about one goal a week of late. That's not good enough for a side looking to break the top four next season.


    'Various' papers are stating that Ramos realises that the guy's a liability and will look to offload him ASAP. Palop Ale
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    Post by Zack Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:20 am

    Sometimes I wish the papers are true! Coz getting a new goalkeeper is the 1st Priority...

    Ramos's credentials are no doubt top notch and I am sure tactically he will be better than Jols.

    I think we don't need wholesale changes, he needs to address our 4 weaknesses, 1)Goalkeeper 2)Experienced defensive Cover 3) A Left Winger 4) Creative AM...

    With regards to Kanoute replacing Bent, I would certinly love it, but I don't think the Board will sell Bent so soon, after splashing 16m on him....They will look quite silly..

    I even think if we do bring back Kanoute, the striker most likely to leave might well be Berbatov, which i WON'T be pleased with...
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:18 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:So the basic questions are
    Is this a good move?

    Yes - this our trading in Bruce Rioch for Wenger, Ranieri for Mourinho etc.

    MJ was a good coach, but his lack of ruthlessness, both from a tactical and mental standpoint, is what cost him.

    Dark Savante wrote:Can Ramos make Spurs acheive what Sevilla had like Uefa cup and a title challenge?
    Not sure about the title, but given the resources, I'm confident he can make us a bonafide challenger to the top 4 in the long run. A good cup run this year would help.

    Dark Savante wrote:Will the partnership work ?Would this partnership work or it wouldnt matter if Spurs didnt go for Poyet?

    Ramos may have suggested Poyet himself... i don't think it'll make that much of a difference tbh.

    Dark Savante wrote:How much budget would he get?

    He won't get any money to spend. That's Daniel Comolli's responsibility.

    Dark Savante wrote:What would be first signings ? Sevilla players (palop,Alves etc) or non Sevilla players?

    We don't have the spending power to get Alves. Renato & Drago would be nice :smiiley:

    First off, he should make us more solid defensively. That means.

    A new GK (Frey, or someone from the Bundesliga), plus an experienced CB (Ayala).

    If we're in good shape for next year, add a creative wide/attacking Midfielder - Diego or Quaresma would be awesome.

    Dark Savante wrote:How much time would he have?

    The EPL standard 3 seasons, provided it doesn't go tits-up.

    Dark Savante wrote:Any other you want to add please do so.

    Convince Berbatov to stay, and find a miracle cure for Ledley King's injuries.
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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:23 pm

    Damien Comolli...
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    Post by Calidad Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:26 pm

    Problem is I don't see Spurs breaking the top four anytime soon, irregardless of who the manager is.

    Good luck to him & Spurs though.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:34 pm

    Calidad wrote:Problem is I don't see Spurs breaking the top four anytime soon, irregardless of who the manager is.

    Good luck to him & Spurs though.

    Apart from Man Utd, the rest aren't bulletproof IMO.
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    Post by DS Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:54 pm

    Also what would be intersting is the tactics he would play , Sevilla played tactics rarely seen in the game at the moment so it will be interesting to see what system he develops for Spurs.
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    Post by Cesc Soler Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:42 pm

    Dear Supporter,

    Today we welcome members of our new coaching team to the Lane - Juande Ramos and Marcos Alvarez and, in doing so, we bring to an end an unsettled two months for our Club.

    Much has been written and speculated about the Club in the past few weeks. Quite clearly there are always two sides to every story but, in the interests of the Club, we have endured much criticism without responding or retaliating. We have instead issued statements, when appropriate, containing accurate and relevant information.

    For you, the supporters, there are two particular issues on which I would now like to comment: Firstly regarding reports about Thursday evening - the first time Martin and I met to discuss his position was after the match, there were no discussions prior and there were none of the reported disagreements. We would not have, in any case, asked Martin to take charge of the match under those circumstances. Media speculation which preceded the game, inaccurately reporting Martin as having resigned, was in no way a deliberate measure by this Club, in no way served our purposes and we have resented any suggestion that this was the case. Leaks (which are wholly unacceptable) and speculation accompanied the game and it is a sad and regrettable aspect that individuals get caught in their midst.

    Several events clearly did not happen as we all would have wished and I am the first to admit that things could have been handled differently and better.

    Secondly, I should like to once again outline how the acquisition and disposal of players works at the club. We have a Football Management Group which meets on a regular basis – this is constituted by myself, Damien Comolli (Sporting Director), John Alexander (Club Secretary) and the Head Coach, now Juande Ramos. This group meets to discuss, identify and acquire players in targeted positions and to consider possible disposals. No player is brought into the Club or sold who is not approved by the coaching staff – it would be counter-productive to buy players that won’t be played. It is a system that Juande has worked with for years, which allows him to specify his needs and to concentrate on coaching the team whilst Damien and his scouting network seek options. This process clearly relies on accurate briefing and good decision making. It has a collective responsibility.

    In conclusion, you, our supporters, should know that your Board has always had, and will always have, the long term interests of your Club as its sole focus.

    In the past six years we have accommodated many changes, some of our own instigation and some that were thrust upon us by circumstance. I consider it the mark of the strength of an organisation as to how it deals with change, realigns and moves forward. We have made the changes, popular or unpopular as they may be, that we felt were necessary and right. New possibilities now face us, please lend us your support as we move forward together.

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    Post by Super Progress Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:25 pm

    im not sure he can do as well as he did with sevilla because he didnt create sevilla as a top team. it was already there and the hard job was done by Monchi who he wont have with him.plus he doesnt have as strong a first team or squad as he did with sevilla. esp wingers is something his tactics were built on and he doesnt have that now except for lennon. we will see in the winter transfer window what will happen.
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    Post by fcb Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:17 pm

    A good article from Tim Stannard on F365:

    http://www.football365.com/spanish_thing/0,17033,9405_2833507,00.html
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:46 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:Also what would be intersting is the tactics he would play , Sevilla played tactics rarely seen in the game at the moment so it will be interesting to see what system he develops for Spurs.

    What tactics are those Bilal?
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    Post by DS Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:53 pm

    Allowing a RB to playmake meaning given a free role while the DM covers for to put it simply.
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:55 pm

    kas wrote:A good article from Tim Stannard on F365:

    http://www.football365.com/spanish_thing/0,17033,9405_2833507,00.html

    ok

    A lot is being made of Monchi. In fact, so much so that some imply that Ramos is completely incapable, which isn't true. To have won what he has with Sevilla, the guy has to be a top manager.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:00 pm

    don't underestimate the monchi factor though tweeds. it reminds me somewhat of lyon, a v good system to protect the club against constant manager/coach change. this not to say Ramos is useless but perhaps not as good as the spuds may think. i'd be surprised if Manolo Jiménez doesn't just take the team on in the same way
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    Post by Tweesus Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:04 pm

    The-Frank-Tavern wrote:don't underestimate the monchi factor though tweeds. it reminds me somewhat of lyon, a v good system to protect the club against constant manager/coach change. this not to say Ramos is useless but perhaps not as good as the spuds may think. i'd be surprised if Manolo Jiménez doesn't just take the team on in the same way

    He did very well at Malaga before that though didn't he?

    All I'm saying is that he's no imbecile. The guy is a very good manager. Even with the best players in the world, it can be a stuggle to win a European trophy back to back. We'll see how he does, but personally I think he'll do a good job.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:11 pm

    one season and wanted to stay, mate says they finished about 10th. they actually had a v good set of players at the time by all accounts, they'd reached the QF of the UEFA Cup the previous season and but for a bizarre managerial decision in team selection may well have got to the semis


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    Post by DS Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:12 pm

    Isnt Tottenham his 11 club in 13 years.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:13 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:Isnt Tottenham his 11 club in 13 years.




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    Post by DS Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:17 pm

    Thanks so is he a gypsy or is it a coincidence.
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    Post by The-Frank-Tavern Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:37 pm

    i'd be amazed tbh if he starts the 2009/10 season still in charge
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    Post by L r d hAsta LueGo Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:38 pm

    Each time it was a step up though right?.... this one he wont leave unless he is sacked because of the money he is getting.

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