England squad for Austria and Croatia

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:

Football Genius wrote:the lack of positioning is fucking woeful for an experienced player, he thinks he can do what he wants....

remind you of anybody else, mmmmmm, a certain fooking gerrard

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:

Football Genius wrote:the lack of positioning is fucking woeful for an experienced player, he thinks he can do what he wants....

remind you of anybody else, mmmmmm, a certain fooking gerrard

Football Genius wrote:

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:

Football Genius wrote:the lack of positioning is fucking woeful for an experienced player, he thinks he can do what he wants....

remind you of anybody else, mmmmmm, a certain fooking gerrard

Here Frank, a novel idea.... why don't you actually watch a game of football with no preconceptions and you may be able to make an objective judgement, Gerrard crossed the half way line like once in the last game when Lampard was dragged back in the team, if thats not discipline i don't know what is...

Football Genius wrote:

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:

Football Genius wrote:the lack of positioning is fucking woeful for an experienced player, he thinks he can do what he wants....

remind you of anybody else, mmmmmm, a certain fooking gerrard

Here Frank, a novel idea.... why don't you actually watch a game of football with no preconceptions and you may be able to make an objective judgement, Gerrard crossed the half way line like once in the last game when Lampard was dragged back in the team, if that's not discipline i don't know what is...

Krimbo wrote:He's slow as an ox and his crossing and freekicks have deteriorated big time. I can't remember the last time he played well for england. Was it Greece 2002? Surely there must be a more recent game?

shazlx wrote:

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:

Football Genius wrote:the lack of positioning is fucking woeful for an experienced player, he thinks he can do what he wants....

remind you of anybody else, mmmmmm, a certain fooking gerrard

We need to get rid of Gerrard, Lampard and Beckham. I thought it was one down with Beckham dropped then he came back. I thought the same with Lampard, then he came back. I'm no longer waiting on Gerrard.

L r d wrote:

Krimbo wrote:He's slow as an ox and his crossing and freekicks have deteriorated big time. I can't remember the last time he played well for england. Was it Greece 2002? Surely there must be a more recent game?

Estonia...brazil....why do you bother posting if you are so clueless?

Krimbo wrote:

L r d wrote:

Krimbo wrote:He's slow as an ox and his crossing and freekicks have deteriorated big time. I can't remember the last time he played well for england. Was it Greece 2002? Surely there must be a more recent game?

Estonia...brazil....why do you bother posting if you are so clueless?

Estonia? I don't think i saw the game. I haven't seen him play well against Brazil either, he was a joke in 2002 and mediocre in the recent friendly. You're grasping at straws.

shazlx wrote:

Football Genius wrote:

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:

Football Genius wrote:the lack of positioning is fucking woeful for an experienced player, he thinks he can do what he wants....

remind you of anybody else, mmmmmm, a certain fooking gerrard

Here Frank, a novel idea.... why don't you actually watch a game of football with no preconceptions and you may be able to make an objective judgement, Gerrard crossed the half way line like once in the last game when Lampard was dragged back in the team, if that's not discipline i don't know what is...

That's not discipline, that's timidity and a lack of tactical understanding. A good DCM should move slightly up and down to help pull the opposition midfield apart.

L r d wrote:How is the guy over the hill? It was his first game in over a month i'd expect him to be a little rusty. He only recently was outperforming everybody in la liga.

He has to move in the middle due to the shite with have in there He saved Mclaren's job and this is the thanks he gets, to be dropped for swp If he played in Russia we would have won. Lampard/Gerrard remained the problem in Austria not Becks

L r d wrote:

Krimbo wrote:

L r d wrote:

Krimbo wrote:He's slow as an ox and his crossing and freekicks have deteriorated big time. I can't remember the last time he played well for england. Was it Greece 2002? Surely there must be a more recent game?

Estonia...brazil....why do you bother posting if you are so clueless?

Estonia? I don't think i saw the game. I haven't seen him play well against Brazil either, he was a joke in 2002 and mediocre in the recent friendly. You're grasping at straws.

Was he a joke when he won la liga. Mediocre in one game where he hadnt played in a month......swp was shite in his last 3 yet he is starting.

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:puro in fairness hargreaves has been injured a lot lately it would be a big risk, as for 4-5-1 with a complete lack of other attacking options he prob has no choice especially as a draw is good enough

Football Genius wrote:

L r d wrote:How is the guy over the hill? It was his first game in over a month i'd expect him to be a little rusty. He only recently was outperforming everybody in la liga.

He has to move in the middle due to the shite with have in there He saved Mclaren's job and this is the thanks he gets, to be dropped for swp If he played in Russia we would have won. Lampard/Gerrard remained the problem in Austria not Becks

LRD, he became over the hill the day he trotted off to the states, where the competition simply won't challenge him tactically and competitively.

Lampard + Gerrard IS a Cr@p combination, it's one or the other we all know this, but it didn't help when Beckham went walk abouts, so we had ZERO width.

I would argue that Beckham has an opportunity to retain his position in the squad IF he can fucking well learn to stay on the right, where he gets this idea he can float all over the pitch i have no idea, particularly when hes got zero fitness

Puro wrote:

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:puro in fairness hargreaves has been injured a lot lately it would be a big risk, as for 4-5-1 with a complete lack of other attacking options he prob has no choice especially as a draw is good enough

So McClaren's rolls the dice with an inexperienced goalie, but doesn't do the same with a class DM in Hargreaves? This is not the game for Barry to be the lone DM I'm afraid. IF Croatia go for it, then Modric, Srna and Niko Kovac are licking their chops at the sight of Lampard and Gerrard in central midfield with Barry behind them. Then you have Arsenal's Eduardo looking at Villa's inexperienced Carson. f@ck it! Let's roll the dice, and hope Croatia just came to draw the match.

L r d wrote:
@ kimbo him ruud ramos cassilas won it. And he's been injured in the mls very good when he played before the injury so stop speaking rubbish.

If we drop Lampard as we did, we will play better football and have a better balance, it's got nothing to do with Becks....

Puro wrote:

The-Frankinsense-Tavern wrote:puro in fairness hargreaves has been injured a lot lately it would be a big risk, as for 4-5-1 with a complete lack of other attacking options he prob has no choice especially as a draw is good enough

So McClaren's rolls the dice with an inexperienced goalie, but doesn't do the same with a class DM in Hargreaves? This is not the game for Barry to be the lone DM I'm afraid. IF Croatia go for it, then Modric, Srna and Niko Kovac are licking their chops at the sight of Lampard and Gerrard in central midfield with Barry behind them. Then you have Arsenal's Eduardo looking at Villa's inexperienced Carson. f@ck it! Let's roll the dice, and hope Croatia just came to draw the match.

Krimbo wrote:

L r d wrote:
@ kimbo him ruud ramos cassilas won it. And he's been injured in the mls very good when he played before the injury so stop speaking rubbish.

If we drop Lampard as we did, we will play better football and have a better balance, it's got nothing to do with Becks....

You've been watching the MLS have you? Everything i have heard has been bad, no one has said he has been good, nevermind very good. I'm guessing it's you that is talking rubbish.

L r d wrote:

Krimbo wrote:

L r d wrote:
@ kimbo him ruud ramos cassilas won it. And he's been injured in the mls very good when he played before the injury so stop speaking rubbish.

If we drop Lampard as we did, we will play better football and have a better balance, it's got nothing to do with Becks....

You've been watching the MLS have you? Everything i have heard has been bad, no one has said he has been good, nevermind very good. I'm guessing it's you that is talking rubbish.

Do you ever stop speaking rubbish kimbo? He arrived when the season had started and was injured. His first few games went well, he made some goals and scored a goal and helped an underperforming side play a lot better. He then got injured again for the rest of the season....came back with 2 games to go, and didn't play so great.
People thought it was a waste of money as he was injured for the most part. For once in your life shut the f@ck up

Pele All Dressed In White wrote:
Look, the point is (and Im not a Liverpool fan) if Gerrard plays as the attacking midfielder in the centre of the park, then his lack of tactical discipline doesnt make a big difference, because there is a degree of freedom attached to the position.

Problem is, playing with Lampard in the centre he isnt given this freedom.

Pele All Dressed In White wrote:SWP+Barry+Gerrard+Cole = Balance, because Gerrard mercurial abilities can be expressed whilst SWP, Barry and Cole hole their positions.

L r d wrote:Basically you don't know whats happenend and have chosen to use the negative stuff been written. While someone who has followed what has actually happenend is talking rubbish. Ok have a nice day bye.

Brian2468 wrote:
--------------------Carson------------------------

Richards-----Lescott------Campbell-----Bridge

----------------------Barry-----------------------

---------Gerrard--------------Lampard

Swp-----------------------------------------Cole

---------------------Crouch---------------------

S4P wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:
--------------------Carson------------------------

Richards-----Lescott------Campbell-----Bridge

----------------------Barry-----------------------

---------Gerrard--------------Lampard

Swp-----------------------------------------Cole

---------------------Crouch---------------------

Judging by this line-up I'm assuming that McLaren is fed up with being England manager, and has decided that if he gets sacked the FA will have to pay him a ridiculous amount of compensation.

Pele All Dressed In White wrote:

S4P wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:
--------------------Carson------------------------

Richards-----Lescott------Campbell-----Bridge

----------------------Barry-----------------------

---------Gerrard--------------Lampard

Swp-----------------------------------------Cole

---------------------Crouch---------------------

Judging by this line-up I'm assuming that McLaren is fed up with being England manager, and has decided that if he gets sacked the FA will have to pay him a ridiculous amount of compensation.

4 Chelsea players and your slating it

S4P wrote:

Pele All Dressed In White wrote:
Look, the point is (and Im not a Liverpool fan) if Gerrard plays as the attacking midfielder in the centre of the park, then his lack of tactical discipline doesnt make a big difference, because there is a degree of freedom attached to the position.

Problem is, playing with Lampard in the centre he isnt given this freedom.

Honest question: What did you make of his performances against Estonia and Russia, 2 games where he did have the 'freedom of the park'

$h!t. In a word. However, despite this, he is still the best attacking midfielder in the country and there is no doubt he can play better on form, and can switch with Lampard in this position when necessary. Neither player has been given a proper run of international games in a balanced midfield.

Pele All Dressed In White wrote:SWP+Barry+Gerrard+Cole = Balance, because Gerrard mercurial abilities can be expressed whilst SWP, Barry and Cole hole their positions.

Is this not the same midfield that played so diabolically in Russia?

Yes, but its also the same midfield that played so excellently at home to Russia, that played well against Israel, and played pretty well against Estonia. Thats more good games in the space of a few months than England with a Gerrard/Beckham/Lampard midfield have managed in years. One poor showing away in Russia shouldnt mean the combination is dispensed

S4P wrote:

Pele All Dressed In White wrote:

S4P wrote:

Brian2468 wrote:
--------------------Carson------------------------

Richards-----Lescott------Campbell-----Bridge

----------------------Barry-----------------------

---------Gerrard--------------Lampard

Swp-----------------------------------------Cole

---------------------Crouch---------------------

Judging by this line-up I'm assuming that McLaren is fed up with being England manager, and has decided that if he gets sacked the FA will have to pay him a ridiculous amount of compensation.

4 Chelsea players and your slating it

SWP or Beckham - You could decide that one on a coin toss. SWP is more likely to score but his end product is very much decided on his mood. Some days brilliant, some days woeful.

Bridge -

Lampard - Bench player/last 20 minute player. Definitely not a starting player.

J Cole - Along with Rio has probably been the most consistent player over the last 2 years.

Shows our level of depth with English players and size of our wallet