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Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

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Post n°1

Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Puro Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:06 pm

I was watching a football debate show on Setanta called "Football Matters", and this fellow Samuel talks a lot of sense. He's not afraid to call it like it is. You guys need more pundits like this fellow instead of the Motsons, Grays, Hansens, Pleats and the rest of dumbasses you know.

There were two other guests besides Samuel. There was some dude from News of The World who sounded like Hansen calling Gerrard and Lampard the best central midfielders in the world. Samuel almost cracked up. Biggrin

Biggrin

The guy from NOTW was shown the door or something because he wasn't around for the remainder of the program. There was another guy, older fellow with gray hair who talked a lot of sense as well. When the host asked him "surely the EPL is on par with La Liga and Serie A?" He said that the EPL only has a few good teams that everyone knows, and that even when these teams play one another, their matches aren't as sophisticated as the top matches in La Liga and Serie A. He said the Barcelona-Real Madrid match seems like from another planet in comparison. DAAAMMNN! Shocked

Shocked

You do have some great pundits who call it like it is like Samuel and that other fellow. Unfortunately they're not shown nearly as much as the dumbasses everyone knows. <Ale>

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Machiavel Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:07 pm

He works for the Times Newspaper has a column.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Parks lives Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:08 pm

Samuel has his moments. He's still a complete know it all arse though.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by L r d hAsta LueGo Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:08 pm

Well he used to work for the newsoftheworld himself, and thesun. He was just another person who overated the likes of lampard and gerrard. He sometimes writes good things and speaks sense so kudos to him if he's finally changed his opinion, but in general i don't rate him or his articles they're mostly full of shite. <Ale>

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Cesc Soler Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:09 pm

He's one of the better ones out there, he also does articles for The Times, which is very reputable.

Media bashing about the national team is very much in at the moment, around 2006 everyone including Samuel was hailing "the golden generation".

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Puro Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:09 pm

Raifael wrote:He works for the Times Newspaper has a column.

Thanks Raifael! I'm gonna read his columns from now. That's two from The Times, there's also that McIlvanney fellow who is a great sports writer. <Ale>

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Parks lives Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:10 pm

He still works for the News of the World and was still argueing there's a way to fit in Gerrard and Lampard before the Croatia game.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Cesc Soler Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:11 pm

Have you come across Henry Winter Puro?

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Puro Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:15 pm

Cesc wrote:Have you come across Henry Winter Puro?

No, is he from The Telegraph? Does anyone watch Football Matters? I was pleasantly surprised with their insights. Is it always that good or was it just a one off like LRD and Cesc say just everyone jumping on the bandwagon all of a sudden because England didn't qualify? <Ale>

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Cesc Soler Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:18 pm

Yes thats him.

Don't watch Football Matters, thats on Setanta over here. The Supplement is a similar style of program. Samuel is a regular on that as well.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Kimbo Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:20 pm

Martin Samuel is no more than a bile-spewing retard.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Tweesus Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:32 pm

Simon Barnes>>Martin Samuel

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Puro Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:41 pm

Tweesus of Nazareth wrote:Simon Barnes>>Martin Samuel

I know about that Simon Barnes. He's from The Times as well, and he is one of them with the Beckham hype. I wouldn't be surprised if Barnes is on Beck's PR payroll. A while ago, probably two years ago, Barnes wrote that Beckham "is the best passer in the world". Biggrin

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by lrdsucksgoats Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:43 pm

Tweesus of Nazareth wrote:Tweeds>>Simon Barnes>>Puro>>Martin Samuel

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Tweesus Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:45 pm

Christ the Redeemer wrote:

Tweesus of Nazareth wrote:Tweeds>>Simon Barnes>>Puro>>Martin Samuel

Martin Samuel is a bit of a c**t, but he's still >>> than Puro

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Sheffield gunner Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:49 pm

Football365 had a section where they highlighted some of the inconsistencies in his articles a while back:

Re-Writing History
'After inconvenient truths, an inconvenient theory: England need Lampard in Moscow, where a repeat of the 4-3-3 formation deployed against Russia at Wembley is required and the central midfield area needs strengthening' - Martin Samuel in The Times, October 15.

'England should have played 3-5-2 in Moscow on Wednesday, or at least should have been able to' - Martin Samuel in The Times, October 19.

Tactical Genius
Not only is Samuel a Frank Lampard-obsessed buffoon, he also clearly doesn't watch games all that closely, or even read his own match reports:

'His best result, the 3-0 win at home against Russia, was played using a 4-3-3 system with Shaun Wright-Phillips on the right and Emile Heskey shuttling to the left' - Martin Samuel's column in The Times on October 19.

'It was McClaren's call to pair Heskey with Owen, having initially left him out of his squad, and that partnership has transformed England's past two games' - Martin Samuel's match report of the England v Russia game in The Times on September 13.

Mentions of the 4-3-3 formation that nobody but Samuel spotted on the night: None.

http://orange.football365.com/Story/0,17169,8749_2809811,00.html

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Pierre Littbarski Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:07 pm

L r d wrote:Well he used to work for the newsoftheworld himself, and thesun. He was just another person who overated the likes of lampard and gerrard. He sometimes writes good things and speaks sense so kudos to him if he's finally changed his opinion, but in general i don't rate him or his articles they're mostly full of shite.

They're like politicians in that they change depnding on teh audience.

If he writes for a broadsheet he will talk of the sophistication of Italian football - if he's writing for a tabloid it will be "England have world class players in every position".

I disagree with most of Sameul's opinions but he's a good writer.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by rza Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:16 pm

Puro wrote:

The guy from NOTW was shown the door or something because he wasn't around for the remainder of the program. There was another guy, older fellow with gray hair who talked a lot of sense as well. When the host asked him "surely the EPL is on par with La Liga and Serie A?" He said that the EPL only has a few good teams that everyone knows, and that even when these teams play one another, their matches aren't as sophisticated as the top matches in La Liga and Serie A. He said the Barcelona-Real Madrid match seems like from another planet in comparison. DAAAMMNN!

That's what i said.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Isco Benny Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:30 pm

rza wrote:

Puro wrote:

The guy from NOTW was shown the door or something because he wasn't around for the remainder of the program. There was another guy, older fellow with gray hair who talked a lot of sense as well. When the host asked him "surely the EPL is on par with La Liga and Serie A?" He said that the EPL only has a few good teams that everyone knows, and that even when these teams play one another, their matches aren't as sophisticated as the top matches in La Liga and Serie A. He said the Barcelona-Real Madrid match seems like from another planet in comparison. DAAAMMNN!

That's what i said.

You sounds suprised - the old chestnut about the EPL being less "sophisticated" than Serie A and La Liga has been around since the dawn of time. Hardly a ground breaking concept; however sophisticated or not, the EPL more than holds its own both in the UEFA and CL so unless the Serie A and La Liga clubs are being nice and giving everyone else a chance, it means f@ck all <Ale>

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:35 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

L r d wrote:Well he used to work for the newsoftheworld himself, and thesun. He was just another person who overated the likes of lampard and gerrard. He sometimes writes good things and speaks sense so kudos to him if he's finally changed his opinion, but in general i don't rate him or his articles they're mostly full of shite.

They're like politicians in that they change depnding on teh audience.

If he writes for a broadsheet he will talk of the sophistication of Italian football - if he's writing for a tabloid it will be "England have world class players in every position".

I disagree with most of Sameul's opinions but he's a good writer.

I suppose we're all like that - we make subtle changes in our behaviour depending on who you're around. No-one talks to their Grandma or Partners parents the same way they talk to their mates, for example.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by TheCrazy58 Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:01 pm

I watch Sunday Supplement (used to be called Jimmy Hill's Sunday Supplement with Hill hosting it until Sky sacked him Sad

Sad

) from time to time. Patrick Barclay - not sure who he writes for, Sunday Times? - has been good the times I've seen him.

I like the Guardian coverage best - good writers like Kevin McCarra and Richard Williams. They do a twice weekly podcast chaired by James Richardson which is very funny as well as informative. They cover not only English footbball but Bundesliga, La Liga (the wonderful Sid Lowe), and Serie A (Jimbo himself usually).There should be one later today, it's worth a listen.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by monty Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:08 pm

Samuel is Sports writer of the year. but I find his articles to be pretty $h!t, used to like Winter but agree that The Guardian's stuff is probably the best stuff to read

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by The-Frank-Tavern Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:31 am

he was spot on on sunday supplement the other week, he said kids shouldn't be playing on full size pitches.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by DeLux Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:33 pm

Has anyone read today's article? He claims that Fletcher would get into a Liverpool-Man Utd XI ahead of Xabi Alonso and Mascherano. A tabloid journo masquerading as a high-brow sports writer if ever there was.

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Dick Grayson Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:43 pm

Parks lives wrote:Samuel has his moments. He's still a complete know it all arse though.

Samuel has a very good article on the Redbloods in todays Mail,,,he likes to see himself as the Oscar Wilde of sports journalism methinks! Twat, but mostly an ok twat!

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Re: Martin Samuel, who is this guy?

by Dick Grayson Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:47 pm

Olé wrote:Has anyone read today's article? He claims that Fletcher would get into a Liverpool-Man Utd XI ahead of Xabi Alonso and Mascherano. A tabloid journo masquerading as a high-brow sports writer if ever there was.

That may be based on the fact that Fletcher habitually PWNS Gerrard/lampard/Mascherono et al!

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