Let the banter begin, Prem Weekend 1st December-->

Ray Parlour wrote:

Christ the Redeemer wrote:You honestly don't know?

Wouldn't ask if I didn't.

Alright, they epitomise everything that's wrong with the Premiership, the hype they get for the slightest accomplishment is ludicrous, and is driven by the Londoncentric bourgeois cretins who run the mass media.

I'm not a regular

2744 posts suggests otherwise, but fair enough.

Christ the Redeemer wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:

Christ the Redeemer wrote:You honestly don't know?

Wouldn't ask if I didn't.

Alright, they epitomise everything that's wrong with the Premiership, the hype they get for the slightest accomplishment is ludicrous, and is driven by the Londoncentric bourgeois cretins who run the mass media.

I'm not a regular

2744 posts suggests otherwise, but fair enough.

We are the only ones that get hype. This is a Manchester United Nation. Your hyped just as muched if not more. Regarding the hype the only thing I can see you complaining about is Arsenal's 'kids' which has been exaggerated to an extent but everyone can see they have talent.

I can't say anything about London but would it not be the same if the capital was elsewhere in England. To single Arsenal out because we are the biggest club in London is bullshit. Most of the hype is warranted i you ask me

Regarding the posts. You have more than me even though you created another account at a later stage. I don't see the arguement. I've been a member just over a year so the post count is about right if you ask me.

Ray Parlour wrote:
We are the only ones that get hype.

No.

This is a Manchester United Nation.

Hardly.

Your hyped just as muched if not more.

I'm not a Man U supporter.

Regarding the hype the only thing I can see you complaining about is Arsenal's 'kids' which has been exaggerated to an extent but everyone can see they have talent.

Or the fact that every other week there's someone on the TV or radio praising Wenger's transfer strategy even though it results in a degradation of the quality of football and strengthens the elitism of the ruling clubs?

I can't say anything about London but would it not be the same if the capital was elsewhere in England. To single Arsenal out because we are the biggest club in London is bullshit.

It would be, but that's not what I said.

Most of the hype is warranted i you ask me

It would be, you're an Arsenal fan. You believe the hype.

Regarding the posts. You have more than me even though you created another account at a later stage.

I have many accounts. Lrd deleted one of them, so I moved on to this one. I am a regular member.

I don't see the arguement. I've been a member just over a year so the post count is about right if you ask me.

I am a regular member. You having a large number of posts, albeit less than me, does not preclude you from being a non-regular poster. To me, it suggests you are. But no matter.

A typical example of Arsenal hype is to say Denilson is worth £6 million or whatever it was just because of a few games in the Arsenal reserves. I still laugh at that one.

We've done great so far, but the season just started. December will be very tough: Villa away, NUFC away & Boro away followed by Chelski and Spuds at home and then Pompey and Everton away (and a CC and Cl fixture). Would be surprised if we will be still on top of the EPL when 2008 starts, hope to be at least close to the top.

Don't know about Villa away, could be anything.

On the other matches predict Hammers to cause an upset v CSKA Poledancing

Christ the Redeemer wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:
We are the only ones that get hype.

No.

This is a Manchester United Nation.

Hardly.

Your hyped just as muched if not more.

I'm not a Man U supporter.

Regarding the hype the only thing I can see you complaining about is Arsenal's 'kids' which has been exaggerated to an extent but everyone can see they have talent.

Or the fact that every other week there's someone on the TV or radio praising Wenger's transfer strategy even though it results in a degradation of the quality of football and strengthens the elitism of the ruling clubs?

I can't say anything about London but would it not be the same if the capital was elsewhere in England. To single Arsenal out because we are the biggest club in London is bullshit.

It would be, but that's not what I said.

Most of the hype is warranted i you ask me

It would be, you're an Arsenal fan. You believe the hype.

Regarding the posts. You have more than me even though you created another account at a later stage.

I have many accounts. Lrd deleted one of them, so I moved on to this one. I am a regular member.

I don't see the arguement. I've been a member just over a year so the post count is about right if you ask me.

I am a regular member. You having a large number of posts, albeit less than me, does not preclude you from being a non-regular poster. To me, it suggests you are. But no matter.

Ronaldo and Roo and co get just as much praise about the Arsenal team and by the way you go on about it one would think your a United fan I've never seen once when you've sided with us over them.

I can't help if someone is complementing our team and the way can I? Sorry explain to me what elitism is please?

Well I don't see your point of course I'm going to believe what is being said about my team is because it's true.

I'm still learning but most of my time on here is spent acquiring different views and opinions on the game.

Owen wrote:A typical example of Arsenal hype is to say Denilson is worth £6 million or whatever it was just because of a few games in the Arsenal reserves. I still laugh at that one.

In all fairness, that was Agooner, and he does set a new benchmark for single minded, thick as pigshit Arsenal hyping. And it was 'at least 8 million'...

Owen wrote:A typical example of Arsenal hype is to say Denilson is worth £6 million or whatever it was just because of a few games in the Arsenal reserves. I still laugh at that one.

I have some sympathy with that in that if someone bid 6 million then it would be rejected. Its impossible to define what someone is worth really as so much depends on a the situation of the player leaving the club.

Ray Parlour wrote:
Ronaldo and Roo and co get just as much praise about the Arsenal team and by the way you go on about it one would think your a United fan I've never seen once when you've sided with us over them.

Firstly, Ronaldo and Rooney have achieved things, Arsenal's youngsters haven't. Secondly, I doubt I'll ever side with Arsenal over Man U, but that proves nothing.

I can't help if someone is complementing our team and the way can I?

You can't help it, unless you are party to it. But I don't dislike you, I dislike Arsenal Football Club.

Sorry explain to me what elitism is please?

In this conversation I mean that in every country, particularly in England, there are a handful of clubs who win everything, almost without exception. If all the promising youngsters go to the top 20 or 30 clubs in Europe then it destroys the competitiveness of football and actually lowers the overall quality of players produced by such a system as so many players who could otherwise become good but unspectacular get no chances to play at the big clubs and get to the age of 22 having played no more than 75 first team games.

Well I don't see your point of course I'm going to believe what is being said about my team is because it's true.

No, it isn't. Denilson is not worth at least 8 million. The Arsenal youngsters play some neat and pretty football, but have won NOTHING.

I'm still learning but most of my time on here is spent acquiring different views and opinions on the game.

Which is fine. Like I say, I don't dislike you or (most of) the other Arsenal fans (hypesters). But I dislike the manager, the club, the style of play...

Hlebanukkah wrote:

Owen wrote:A typical example of Arsenal hype is to say Denilson is worth £6 million or whatever it was just because of a few games in the Arsenal reserves. I still laugh at that one.

I have some sympathy with that in that if someone bid 6 million then it would be rejected. Its impossible to define what someone is worth really as so much depends on a the situation of the player leaving the club.

I'd sig this, but what'd be the point?

Christ the Redeemer wrote:

Ray Parlour wrote:
Ronaldo and Roo and co get just as much praise about the Arsenal team and by the way you go on about it one would think your a United fan I've never seen once when you've sided with us over them.

Firstly, Ronaldo and Rooney have achieved things, Arsenal's youngsters haven't. Secondly, I doubt I'll ever side with Arsenal over Man U, but that proves nothing.

I can't help if someone is complementing our team and the way can I?

You can't help it, unless you are party to it. But I don't dislike you, I dislike Arsenal Football Club.

Sorry explain to me what elitism is please?

In this conversation I mean that in every country, particularly in England, there are a handful of clubs who win everything, almost without exception. If all the promising youngsters go to the top 20 or 30 clubs in Europe then it destroys the competitiveness of football and actually lowers the overall quality of players produced by such a system as so many players who could otherwise become good but unspectacular get no chances to play at the big clubs and get to the age of 22 having played no more than 75 first team games.

Well I don't see your point of course I'm going to believe what is being said about my team is because it's true.

No, it isn't. Denilson is not worth at least 8 million. The Arsenal youngsters play some neat and pretty football, but have won NOTHING.

I'm still learning but most of my time on here is spent acquiring different views and opinions on the game.

Which is fine. Like I say, I don't dislike you or (most of) the other Arsenal fans (hypesters). But I dislike the manager, the club, the style of play...

I do see your point but since this team has been pieced together just as quickly as the Unbeatables were scratched you've got to give them credit for the way they are playing. Rooney and Co have won stuff granted but they have played in a team with much more financial muscle than Arsenal and hasn't faced the retransformation. You could also argue we were very lucky to lose the Carling Cup Final las season which would of been the first trophy the batch of these new 'youngsters' have won.

Yes sure that is a certainty I can't fault you that but can you blame him given the current English situation and most of the players not being up to scratch. There are also other teams who could be accused of this but I haven't seen you girll them.

Well some fans in each team are obviously deluded but Denilsonis definitely not worth £8m. He hasn't played enough to be given a classification yet.

What's wrong with the style of play?
There are some traits which are dislikeable about Wenger but surely the same can be said about every manager?

We have Wigan away this weekend, wont be easy at the JJB with it being Bruce's first game. Im going and should be a cracking atmosphere about 5,500 city fans. Ive heard Bianchi could be in line for a start which is nice, we need to get at least a point to keep the run going and push on from our great start and keep the pressure on the top teams.

Christ the Redeemer wrote:

Hlebanukkah wrote:

Owen wrote:A typical example of Arsenal hype is to say Denilson is worth £6 million or whatever it was just because of a few games in the Arsenal reserves. I still laugh at that one.

I have some sympathy with that in that if someone bid 6 million then it would be rejected. Its impossible to define what someone is worth really as so much depends on a the situation of the player leaving the club.

I'd sig this, but what'd be the point?

Because theres nothing worth to sig?

if we win, we're 3pts off top

debabyjesuser wrote:if we win, we're 3pts off top

When you win...

Christ the Redeemer wrote:

debabyjesuser wrote:if we win, we're 3pts off top

When you win...

i prefer to play it modest and then revel in the glory after the event

It's in the bank, trust me. This weekend, Arsenal's Premiership challenge begins to come to an end, at the hands of the Villa. It's written in the stars. Well, in the Star.

Its not a game we're looking forward to tbh.

well, we are the form side in the division. i'm just so un-used to us winning consecutive games that i can't believe it'll go on any longer. felt the same before each of the last three games, mind

I just think Villa v Arsenal has draw written all over it, Villa are in form and a good team but Arsenal are a class team and very hard to beat.

Here's hoping for a draw! we fucked it up royally last week so a chance to peg them back somewhat is good, of course we still have to fullfill our end of the bargain

We go to Chelsea unbeaten in a few games, with some important players back. Hopefully we'll just perform well...an maybe sneak something.

How much time do these players have under their belts? And who has returned?

robert wrote:How much time do these players have under their belts? And who has returned?

Ashton and Parker have been playing for the reserves, and both played some part against Chelsea...both looked pretty sharp.

Noble is back, and played nearly a full game against Tottenham...Ljungberg has been playing for Sweden in their last 2 matches. So these 4 players are back.

Bellamy returning is also a possibility.

Looks like that dark cloud is finally lifting Ljungberg, Noble and Ashton should make significant impacts to your team.

It's a London Derby, so anything can happen. I'll be happy with just a good performance though.

A draw or a win prefably to go with that performance. Incidentally no one has put up a fixture list so I guess i'll do so.

Saturday:

Chelsea v West Ham Stamford Bridge
Blackburn v Newcastle Ewood Park
Portsmouth v Everton Fratton Park
Reading v Middlesbrough Madejski Stadium
Sunderland v Derby Stadium of Light
Wigan v Man City The JJB Stadium
Aston Villa v Arsenal

Sunday:

Liverpool v Bolton
Tottenham v Birmingham

Monday:

Man Utd v Fulham

According to BBC...

Chelsea are without: Cech, Carvalho, Ferreira, Malouda, Ballack and Essien

We welcome back: Dean Ashton, Scott Parker and Freddie Ljungberg

Chelsea still have: Drogba, Fat Frank, J-Cole, A-Cole, Cudicini, SWP, Shevchenko, Kalou, Makelele .

Team news:

Chelsea: Cudicini, Belletti, Alex, Terry, Bridge, Sidwell, Mikel, Lampard, J. Cole, Kalou, Drogba

Subs: Shevchenko, Wright-Phillips, Makelele, Ben Haim, Hilario

West Ham: Green, Neill, Gabbidon, Upson, McCartney, Solano, Parker, Mullins, Etherington, Boa Morte, Cole

Subs: Ashton, Ljungberg, Collins, Spector, Wright

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Is Pizarro injured or does he just not play very often for Chelsea now?

He has been promoted to chief groundkeeper.

Come on Hammers, a nice birthdaypresent for Deano please!