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    Azzurri Debate: How does the draw impact Azzurri's chances?

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    Post by bluenine Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:39 pm

    I agree. I would prefer Iaquinta & De Rossi over Camoranesi and Ambrosini too. I feel Donadoni gets a bit scared at times and takes the safer option... which was fair enough, considering Italy needed qualification points. But in the group of death, that could prove disasterous. Italy may have to attack and outscore Holland and France.

    But Cassano, nah.... team unity is far more important than experimenting with that brat!

    I would like to see Aquilani and Montolivo getting a shot, perhaps even Rosina... I guess that will most likely happen post Euro2008.

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    bluenine wrote:Donadoni has done away with the creative forward role since Totti retired, and tbh now I think Italy look better without one. This allows Italy to play with 3 strikers, and 2 of them are hardworking ones who double up as wingers and 1 is a target man. This system works much better than having a creative forward behind the target man, coz you end up relying too much on the creative forward.

    Pannuci against Korea, grrrrr... but to be fair, he was being played as a CB as Nesta & Cannavaor were not available and Matrix looked very iffy in the group game - Italy actually played that game with 4 fullbacks!!

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    I wouldnt count cassano out of this. if he can just become a bit stable i think he could take over from totti in the creative forward role. i also hope Aquilani makes impact since i think some new players will have to break through in order for italy to surprise other teams. i can see italy lacking some creativity if both Ambrosini+Camoranesi+Gattuso play. I honestly hope Pannuci doesnt get in the squad. i can still remember him against korea Grr
    they have been very effective and i get your point. i want cassano for what he brings to the game which is more flair. i want italy to play like they were intending to do in euro 2004 which in the start looked very bright imo. the current side is a bit too pragmatic and boring for my taste. i think that if they going to play with the system you mentioned then they should at least use players in midfield that can help out more in the creative part of the game. for example they should maybe de rossi instead of ambrosini. they relie to heavily on pirlo. hopefully Iaquinta keeps up then he would be hard to denie a place in the first team instead of cameranesi.
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:29 pm

    i agree i think he is scared more then defensive. in the start he did intend to play with 3 strikers but it turned out to be more two wingers behind a striker who work alot in midfield. he has done what is needed in the qualifications but he might has to show balls when Euros arrive. you cant safeball there. Have been impressed with Aquilani when i saw him but i cant see Donadoni taking a chance on him. i havent seen Rosina this season but i remember him last season and he did well but again i think he is even further away from the team. As long as they beat France i would satisfied.
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    Post by bluenine Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:02 pm

    ok As long as Italy knocks France out, I will be more than happy Wink Want to see domenech get sacked!

    supermadrid wrote:i agree i think he is scared more then defensive. in the start he did intend to play with 3 strikers but it turned out to be more two wingers behind a striker who work alot in midfield. he has done what is needed in the qualifications but he might has to show balls when Euros arrive. you cant safeball there. Have been impressed with Aquilani when i saw him but i cant see Donadoni taking a chance on him. i havent seen Rosina this season but i remember him last season and he did well but again i think he is even further away from the team. As long as they beat France i would satisfied.
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:19 pm

    bluenine wrote:ok As long as Italy knocks France out, I will be more than happy Wink Want to see domenech get sacked!

    supermadrid wrote:i agree i think he is scared more then defensive. in the start he did intend to play with 3 strikers but it turned out to be more two wingers behind a striker who work alot in midfield. he has done what is needed in the qualifications but he might has to show balls when Euros arrive. you cant safeball there. Have been impressed with Aquilani when i saw him but i cant see Donadoni taking a chance on him. i havent seen Rosina this season but i remember him last season and he did well but again i think he is even further away from the team. As long as they beat France i would satisfied.
    I might even be able to be watch the match. what i would give to be right behind Domenech after italy score to 3-0 and watch his reaction jocolor
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    Post by bluenine Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:30 pm

    I am trying my best to get tickets for that one too. Will be in switzerland at that time anyways... shud be fun!

    supermadrid wrote:
    bluenine wrote:ok As long as Italy knocks France out, I will be more than happy Wink Want to see domenech get sacked!

    supermadrid wrote:i agree i think he is scared more then defensive. in the start he did intend to play with 3 strikers but it turned out to be more two wingers behind a striker who work alot in midfield. he has done what is needed in the qualifications but he might has to show balls when Euros arrive. you cant safeball there. Have been impressed with Aquilani when i saw him but i cant see Donadoni taking a chance on him. i havent seen Rosina this season but i remember him last season and he did well but again i think he is even further away from the team. As long as they beat France i would satisfied.
    I might even be able to be watch the match. what i would give to be right behind Domenech after italy score to 3-0 and watch his reaction jocolor
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:45 pm

    Germany won Euro 96 from the group of death in 96 and the same with France in Euro 2000 so i wouldnt rule out Italy on the basis that they have a hard group.

    As for the team, De Rossi and Oddo should start. Italy also need Cassano, either to play on the left or the right of Toni and Quagliarella is also laying better now. We need creative players in those 2 wing positions who can make a difference. IMO im not sure whether Di Natale and Camoranesi are good enough.

    Cannavaro Materazzi at the back also worries me slightly but not much we can do about that unless Nesta comes out of retirement.
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    Post by Gigliati Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:49 pm

    I would continue with Barzagli-Cannavaro if I were Donadoni! They have looked very confident through out the qualifying campaign.

    BoBo Vieri wrote:Germany won Euro 96 from the group of death in 96 and the same with France in Euro 2000 so i wouldnt rule out Italy on the basis that they have a hard group.

    As for the team, De Rossi and Oddo should start. Italy also need Cassano, either to play on the left or the right of Toni and Quagliarella is also laying better now. We need creative players in those 2 wing positions who can make a difference. IMO im not sure whether Di Natale and Camoranesi are good enough.

    Cannavaro Materazzi at the back also worries me slightly but not much we can do about that unless Nesta comes out of retirement.
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    Post by A & K Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:30 am

    supermadrid wrote:i agree i think he is scared more then defensive. in the start he did intend to play with 3 strikers but it turned out to be more two wingers behind a striker who work alot in midfield. he has done what is needed in the qualifications but he might has to show balls when Euros arrive. you cant safeball there. Have been impressed with Aquilani when i saw him but i cant see Donadoni taking a chance on him. i havent seen Rosina this season but i remember him last season and he did well but again i think he is even further away from the team. As long as they beat France i would satisfied.

    Do you have Italian blood supermadrid? Why do care so much Italy beat France:scratch:
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    Post by bluenine Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:08 am

    Alive, I guess Monsieur Domenech has made an impact even outside of Italian fans.... he is not your best PR guy!

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    Do you have Italian blood supermadrid? Why do care so much Italy beat France:scratch:
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    Post by Super Progress Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:37 pm

    Alive and Kicking wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:i agree i think he is scared more then defensive. in the start he did intend to play with 3 strikers but it turned out to be more two wingers behind a striker who work alot in midfield. he has done what is needed in the qualifications but he might has to show balls when Euros arrive. you cant safeball there. Have been impressed with Aquilani when i saw him but i cant see Donadoni taking a chance on him. i havent seen Rosina this season but i remember him last season and he did well but again i think he is even further away from the team. As long as they beat France i would satisfied.

    Do you have Italian blood supermadrid? Why do care so much Italy beat France:scratch:
    Nah its just my parents and family were raised there and i have always been heavily influcended by that.. i have nothing against the french club teams or anything its just the national team. its a combo of several things. i started watching football around 98 and only liked brazil really and then i made huge bet with friends on who would win in the final and i lost you as know. and then Euro 2000 Grr .
    i had kind of gotten over all that and then Domenech arrived...
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    Post by A & K Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:21 pm

    supermadrid wrote:
    Alive and Kicking wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:i agree i think he is scared more then defensive. in the start he did intend to play with 3 strikers but it turned out to be more two wingers behind a striker who work alot in midfield. he has done what is needed in the qualifications but he might has to show balls when Euros arrive. you cant safeball there. Have been impressed with Aquilani when i saw him but i cant see Donadoni taking a chance on him. i havent seen Rosina this season but i remember him last season and he did well but again i think he is even further away from the team. As long as they beat France i would satisfied.

    Do you have Italian blood supermadrid? Why do care so much Italy beat France:scratch:
    Nah its just my parents and family were raised there and i have always been heavily influcended by that.. i have nothing against the french club teams or anything its just the national team. its a combo of several things. i started watching football around 98 and only liked brazil really and then i made huge bet with friends on who would win in the final and i lost you as know. and then Euro 2000 Grr . Oups, how much was that?
    i had kind of gotten over all that and then Domenech arrived...

    Domenech is a good coach but a silly c**t, he should keep his mouth close anyway.
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    Post by Super Progress Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:40 pm

    Alive and Kicking wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:
    Alive and Kicking wrote:
    supermadrid wrote:i agree i think he is scared more then defensive. in the start he did intend to play with 3 strikers but it turned out to be more two wingers behind a striker who work alot in midfield. he has done what is needed in the qualifications but he might has to show balls when Euros arrive. you cant safeball there. Have been impressed with Aquilani when i saw him but i cant see Donadoni taking a chance on him. i havent seen Rosina this season but i remember him last season and he did well but again i think he is even further away from the team. As long as they beat France i would satisfied.

    Do you have Italian blood supermadrid? Why do care so much Italy beat France:scratch:
    Nah its just my parents and family were raised there and i have always been heavily influcended by that.. i have nothing against the french club teams or anything its just the national team. its a combo of several things. i started watching football around 98 and only liked brazil really and then i made huge bet with friends on who would win in the final and i lost you as know. and then Euro 2000 Grr . Oups, how much was that?
    i had kind of gotten over all that and then Domenech arrived...

    Domenech is a good coach but a silly c**t, he should keep his mouth close anyway.
    it wasnt money i was only 9 at the time. i just had to do something which i wont say. Very Happy i shouldnt have made the bet since i didnt know enough about football and just figured brazil would win against any team it met. I hated zidane and france after that also because they were so dominant and then they beat portugal in semis in euros and i was really hating. anyway i dont think Domenech is a good coach at all. at youth level he has a case but i have followed France since he took over and i have never been impressed. i dont think he had much to do with them reaching runners up spot.

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