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    Moments that Define your Club

    Chocolate Thunder
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:51 pm

    It's impossible to do a definitive list of what makes a football club and its fans what they are. Millions of small events - and some big ones - come together to build up a sense of culture, well thats what I believe. Everyone's list will be different and some will give more value to certain events.

    If you're a Liverpool fan, though, you should know about these things. And maybe it will hint at the joy and pain supporting Liverpool has brought me over the years.

    50. Hell’s angels, February 26, 2002

    There was plenty of apprehension for any British fans going to Istanbul in the early years of this decade. After all, two Leeds United fans were stabbed to death in 2000 before playing Galatasaray and the locals’ ‘Welcome to Hell’ banners had sent shivers down Manchester United spines. However, Liverpool’s visit to Gala in the second Champions League group was different. The visiting fans’ approach was summed up with a banner; “Welcome to hell my arse. If you think this is hell, try the Grafton on a Friday night.”

    The Grafton is a nightclub, famous for ‘grab-a-granny’ nights, where innocent young scallies find themselves at the mercy of predatory Liverpool divorcees. But the attitude was perfect: no fear, no aggressive confrontation and a slice of humour. It sums up the best attributes of the modern Liverpool fan. And, since then, every time the Reds have played in Istanbul, the local supporters have joined their party. And this is the essence of this list. The culture of football is about more than players and managers – in ten years, most of them will have moved on. It exists and grows through the supporters as much as the team.

    49. John Houlding creates an alehouse team, March 15, 1892

    The strict Methodists who formed St Domingo FC – later Everton - were never going to get on with the brewer who ran the club from the Sandon pub. Houlding owned Anfield and argued with his colleagues over the rent and their refusal to sell his sparkling ale at the ground. When the schism occurred, Everton decamped from Anfield as reigning champions, Houlding formed a new club, Liverpool. Without Houlding, we might all support a little club and have serious thirsts…

    48. Red all over, November 1, 1964

    Bill Shankly had a brainwave – to discard the team’s white shorts and wear all red. He chose Ron Yeats for his experiment. After training, Big Ron was sent to put on new shorts. Shankly liked what he saw: “Christ son, you look about seven foot tall, we’re going to play in all-red from now on.” Every player grew a few inches when they listened to Shankly and dressed in red. Another small step on the path to greatness.

    47. First post war champions, 1947

    If ever a city need a boost after the Second World War, it was Liverpool. Bombed heavily, the city was in ruins and short of supplies. The team wasn’t though. Billy Liddell provided Jackie Balmer and Albert Stubbins with the ammunition to shoot the Reds to the top with a team fit for heroes.

    46. Red Stars and falling stars, autumn 1973

    Fresh from winning the Uefa Cup and the title, Shankly went into the 1973-74 European Cup campaign with high hopes. Red Star Belgrade showed Liverpool how far they had to go to be successful, however. The side from what was then Yugoslavia snuffed the Anfield challenge out at the first hurdle, winning both legs 2-1. It was time for more creative thinking from Shankly. He realised that a traditional British centre half like Larry Lloyd, who played in both legs, was a liability in Europe. Lloyd was soon on his way out of Anfield, replaced by the more ball-literate Phil Thompson and Liverpool were back on the path to glory. The hapless Lloyd would eventually get his consolation – two European Cup medals with Nottingham Forest

    45. Howard Gayle in Munich, 1981

    Bayern had come to Anfield, got a 0-0 draw in the semi-final of the European Cup and headed home to plan the trip to the final in Paris. Things got worse in the second leg of the Bavarian capital when Kenny Dalglish was injured in the first 10 minutes. On came Gayle, the club’s first black player of the modern age, bringing some Liverpool 8 attitude with him. Bayern kicked him, he kicked back – harder - and, when his heroic performance was finished and he was substituted, the German side were in trouble. Ray Kennedy scored late to finish them off and though the home side levelled the score, Liverpool were through.

    44. Watford 1 Liverpool 0, FA Cup sixth round, February 21, 1970

    The 1960s had been good to Merseyside. The Beatles ruled the world and Liverpool were on the rise. By 1970, the Fab Four were gone and it looked the same fate for Shankly’s team when they were humiliated by Watford, who were struggling a division below Liverpool. But Shanks knew how to change his tune: out went Ian St John, Ron Yeats, Roger Hunt and Tommy Lawrence – the old stagers. In came Kevin Keegan, Steve Heighway, Larry Lloyd and Ray Clemence. The 70s were looking up, suddenly.

    43. Robbie Fowler’s protest, Liverpool v Brann, Cup-Winners’ Cup quarter-final, March 20,1997

    “It may seem strange and even unfair..." Too bloody right. Even Uefa knew in its statement that it was wrong to fine Fowler £900 after he displayed a shirt supporting sacked Liverpool dockers while celebrating his second goal in a 3-0 win. Through the dark days of the 1990s, as football players lost their link with the fan on the terraces, Fowler remained one of us. Would Shankly have done it? Yes. It is not only goals we remember. Incidentally, Fowler was also banned for a goal celebration that mimicked drug-taking. Paul Merson was lauded for admitting taking real drugs. Strange. Unfair.

    42. Kop takes shape, 1906

    A mound of earth on Walton Breck Road was created for the growing numbers of fans to watch the team. It was called the ‘Spion Kop’ after a battle in the Boer War six years earlier. It was not the only Kop – low hill in Afrikaans – nor the first. But it would become the greatest.

    41. Wimbledon 1 Liverpool 0, FA Cup Final, May 14, 1988

    The pinnacle of Wimbledon’s climb from non-League to Cup winners will be remembered as long as football is played. And yet the victory would have had less resonance had the opposition been any other side. Liverpool were arguable the best team in Europe and played like it until Peter Beardsley had a goal disallowed by the referee, Brian Hill, who awarded the subsequent foul against Wimbledon. Still, funny how we’re there for the historic moments.

    40. Take it as red we’re Liverpool, 1899

    After the break with Everton, the new club in the city wore blue-and-white halved shirts. Then, just as the 19th century came to an end, Liverpool adoped red shirts – Everton switched from pink to blue. Shortly after, the Reds took the Liver Bird, the symbol of the city, as part of the badge. The die was cast and there would never be a need for a ‘People’s Club’ style rebranding of the team associated with the city.

    39. The American take over at Anfield, March 28, 2007

    After months of uncertainty, George Gillett and Tom Hicks confirmed their takeover of the club. Those who expected Glazer-style protests were confounded. The fans are welcoming, if cautious – as long as the new boys don’t mess with the traditions of the club.

    38. Dalglish resigns, February 22, 1991

    Sir Alex Ferguson, with characteristic obscenity, says his greatest achievement is “knocking Liverpool off their f****** perch”. When Kenny Dalglish resigned as manager after Liverpool threw away a quartet of leads in the 4-4 draw with Everton in the FA Cup, the team were top of the league. Dalglish left, emotionally in tatters, another victim of Hillsborough. Manchester United filled the vacuum created by tragedy, that’s all. But expecting humility from Ferguson is too much. Grim years loomed ahead.

    37. Panorama, 1964

    The Kop had been making a big noise for some time, but it came to the nation’s attention with the BBC’s Panorama featured the crowd singing on a programme called ‘The Other Mersey Sound’. Afterwards, the whole nation wanted to be like the Kop. Why wouldn’t they? After all, any terrace that could sing ‘Anyone who ever had a heart’ and ‘She loves you’ like that... The Kop rocks.

    36. Liverpool 1 AC Milan 2, Champions League final, Athens, May 23, 2007

    Mass bunk-ins and ticket snatching hit the headlines in the aftermath of defeat but, while the glare of publicity focused on the minority of wrongdoers, the massed body of Liverpool support stood, almost to a man, and applauded Milan on their lap of honour with the Cup. William Gaillard had obviously nipped back inside to get the prawn sandwiches while this was going on.

    35. Liverpool 3 Borussia Mönchengladbach 0, Uefa Cup final, first leg, May 10, 1973

    The game kicked off on May 9 and, with the German side looking comfortable after 27 minutes, the match was abandoned after a torrential rain storm. The next night it was 10p at the gate on the terraces and Shankly had noticed the opposition’s weakness in the air. John Toshack, who had been left out 24 hours previously, was selected and caused havoc. Liverpool took a three-goal lead to Germany – just as well, as Mönchengladbach won 2-0 in the second leg.

    34. The end of an era, July 12, 1974

    The unthinkable news shocked the city. Shankly had resigned. People wept on the streets while the great man gave a strangely composed press conference to announce his departure. A sad day but Shankly’s spirit would never leave the club.

    33. 1978-79

    Where do you start with a season like this? The 7-0 rout of Tottenham Hotspur at Anfield? The 3-0 victory at Old Trafford? One of the finest teams ever to play in England cruised to the title with crushing dominance. Four defeats, 85 goals scored and a mere 16 against. Ah, but Arsene Wenger’s Invincibles went a season unbeaten in 2003-04, you say. But did they have the European champions in the division? A stunning year in more competitive times.

    32. Liverpool 1 FC Bruges 0, European Cup final, May 10, 1978

    Not much of a spectacle but doubling the tally of European Cups meant a great deal to fans of the Reds. And it made a point to Kevin Keegan, who had left Anfield the previous summer “for the challenge” and joined SV Hamburg. “What greater challenge,” Kenny Dalglish, who arrived from Celtic to take over Keegan’s No7 shirt, asked, “is there than to retain the European Cup?” By the time Kenny jumped the advertising hoardings to celebrate his winning goal, Keegan was long forgotten.

    31. John Barnes signs, July 19, 1987

    There was some resentment among Liverpool fans when the club was linked with Barnes. The knee-jerk reaction was to assume it was a matter of race. It wasn’t. Barnes had flirted with Arsenal when Dalglish’s interest was clear and there was a general feeling that the Watford winger did not want to come to Anfield. All doubts disappeared when the Kop saw him play. Part of a team – alongside Peter Beardsley and John Aldridge up front - that rivalled the great Liverpool sides.

    30. Liverpool 5 Alaves 4, Uefa Cup final, Dortmund, May 16, 2001

    After such a long time off the big European stage, it was only fitting that Liverpool should renew their trophy-winning ways in such dramatic style. On the perfect stage, Dortmund’s Westfalenstadion, Alaves' Delfi Geli scored a golden own-goal in a see-sawing match to add the Uefa Cup to Liverpool's knockout treble of the FA Cup and League Cup. The travelling Kop were back in Europe in big numbers. The way “You’ll never walk alone” resonated around the best football stadium in the world created one of the game’s great sounds.

    29. Shankly’s first title, 1964

    Promoted in 1962, Shankly was never one to sit around mid-table, especially with Everton winning the league in the Reds’ first year back in the top flight. His ambition was to create a ‘bastion of invincibility’ at Anfield and the plan was coming to fruition. Manchester United, the main challengers, were beaten 3-0 on Merseyside in March and Arsenal were walloped 5-0 to seal the trophy. Five years after arriving at the club, Shankly was ready to take on Europe.

    28. How to handle defeat, 1971

    On the train back from London after losing to Arsenal in the FA Cup Final, Shankly asked Brian Hall, a university graduate: “Who’s that chairman with the red book.” Hall was bemused. “You know, in China.”

    “Mao,” Hall said and Shankly changes the subject. When they arrived in Liverpool, Shankly addressed the crowds waiting outside the Town Hall. After praising their support and behaviour at Wembley, he surveyed the crowd with pride. “Even Chairman Mao has never seen such a display of Red strength,” he crowed. You still wonder why we’d follow him anywhere?

    27. Athens ticket fiasco

    Nothing could shake Liverpool supporters’ loyalty. At least that was the theory until the club allocated tickets for the Champions League final this year. Thousands of season-ticket holders were left disappointed by the bizarre distribution method and fewer tickets than expected appeared to reach the fans. Rick Parry, the chief executive, exacerbated the problem by refusing “to play the numbers game”. The mess prompted a protest march and anger. Banners complaining about the allocation have since been suppressed at Anfield. So much for the 12th man.

    26. Liverpool 0 Everton 0, League Cup final, March 25, 1984

    During the dark days of Thatcherism, a match in London was as much a political statement as a football trip. Thousands of ski-hatted Scousers, Blue and Red, disgorged from trains into Euston station singing in support of the Miners and Liverpool’s Militant Council. Scouse power in action.
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:51 pm

    25. Liverpool 2 Leeds United 1, FA Cup Final, May 1, 1965

    A year earlier, the Shankly revolution had delivered the title, but Liverpool were still the poor relations in the city. Everton, the Mersey Millionaires, still had notions of superiority. The stick that they used to beat their Kopite neighbours was that Liverpool had never won the FA Cup. On May Day the Cup came home to Anfield, courtesy of goals from Roger Hunt and Ian St John. The balance of power had shifted on Merseyside for ever.

    24. Liverpool 1 Real Madrid 0, European Cup final, May 27, 1981, Paris

    To really play with the big boys, you need at least three European Cups. After all, small clubs can win two – Nottingham Forest, FC Porto, Manchester United. This was the hat-trick in the Parc des Princes, against one of those big boys. Alan Kennedy completed the job with a late goal at a time when no team in Europe relished playing Liverpool.

    23. Replacement on the cheap. Dalglish signs, August 10, 1977

    Kevin Keegan leaves for £500,000. In comes Kenny Dalglish for £440,000. A player like that and money left over? Deal of the century. Genius from Bob Paisley in buying the greatest player to grace Anfield.

    22. Celtic v Liverpool, April 30, 1989

    The first game after Hillsborough was a friendly in the truest sense of the word. Instead of selling Liverpool fans tickets in a block, Celtic spead them all around Parkhead in small groups, without any segregation. Liverpool won 4-0 but nobody cared. When the whole ground sang You’ll Never Walk Alone at the end, everybody in the stadium cried. Those who lack faith in football fans should have been there that day.

    21. The Kop fights back

    The game is becoming increasingly globalised with foreign ownership and fans from all corners of the world but, worried about the dilution of Liverpool values, a group of supporters got together to create a movement devoted to protecting the soul of the club. Reclaim The Kop started on January 1 this year and aims to educate newcomers to supporting Liverpool in our ways and keep our culture distinctive. A force for the good in the 21st century and the first wave in a new fans’ movement.

    20. Juventus 0 Liverpool 0, Champions League quarter-final, second leg, April 13, 2005

    A flashpoint game. At Anfield the Juventus Ultras showed their contempt for Liverpool’s apologies for Heysel by turning the back on the conciliatory mosaic. There followed dark threats about vendettas in Italy. The second leg looked as if there was bound to be trouble. However, the Liverpool fans in Italy kept a low profile and behaved almost impeccably. The match ended in a 0-0 draw, which sent Liverpool through after their 2-1 victory at Anfield. But, more importantly, there was no violence. The best result.

    19. Everton 0 Liverpool 5

    “And we played the Toffees for a laugh and left them feeling blue, 5-0!” A glorious day at Goodison. The home side, with Glen Keeley on loan from Blackburn Rovers playing in defence, could not match a rampaging Liverpool side. Dalglish tormented Keeley for 20 minutes until he was sent off and then Ian Rush ran wild, scoring four. A day still celebrated in song whenever Reds get together.

    18. Emlyn Hughes’ magic touch, May 1977

    Back from Rome with the European Cup, the players, er, celebrated. When he rose to address the crowd Hughes appeared a touch unsteady on his feet. Carrying an injury, no doubt. “I want you to sing a song,” he said. “Liverpool are magic, Everton are tragic.” It was, indeed, the soberest of notions and, recognising that, the red hordes sang it back. Meanwhile, Terry McDermott, more ahead of his time than Martin Peters – 30 years in fact – was answering the call of nature and splashing a group of nurses. The next time they ask for a day’s slice of a footballer’s salary, we’ll send Terry round.

    17. Liverpool 3 FC Bruges 2, Uefa Cup final first leg, April 28, 1976

    Another of the great comebacks. Two down in the first 12 minutes, Liverpool looked out of it for an hour as the Kop built up a head of steam. Then, in a wild five minutes, Liverpool shot into the lead with Ray Kennedy, Jimmy Case scored before a Kevin Keegan penalty sealed victory. The Reds were one down to an early goal in the second leg, too, before Keegan equalised from a free kick. Europe learnt early that you can’t relax when in front against Liverpool.

    16. Liverpool 1 Chelsea 0, Champions League semi-final, second leg, Anfield, May 1, 2007

    They’d seen it all before. This time Chelsea would be ready. Surely. Er, no. The Anfield storm blew Jose Mourinho’s team away, again. They were lucky to take the match to penalties as the other three sides of the ground joined the Kop in creating a hurricane of noise.

    15. Wolverhampton Wanderers 1 Liverpool 3, May 4, 1976

    The Black Country has seen nothing like it. Untold thousands of Liverpool supporters descended on Molineux in anticipation of seeing the victory that would secure the title. Wolves, fighting relegation, had other thoughts, and went ahead early on. But the relentless pressure wore the home side down and, just when safety looked in sight for Wolves, John Toshack equalised. Kevin Keegan got a second and Ray Kennedy provided the icing on the cake. Thousands of Scousers poured on to the pitch to celebrate. Soon they would be invading Europe in similar numbers.

    14. Liverpool 1 AS Roma 1 (Liverpool win on penalties), European Cup final, May 30, 1984

    A night of great tension and violence, remembered by the television audience for Bruce Grobbelaar’s crazy-legged bravado during the penalty shootout and by those who were in Rome for the sustained assault on Liverpool fans before and after the match, events barely reported in Britain. A day that showed how ugly European football could be. It would get worse.

    13. Last day of the Kop, April 30, 1994

    The terraces were about to become history at Anfield but the Kop had one last fling when Norwich City arrived for the final day of the season. Designated a ‘Flag Day,’ the old terrace rocked like on the great nights as the game went on barely noticed in front of a full house. An era was ending but, in the vibrancy of the flags and banners, a new age was starting. The ethos of the Kop could not be as easily demolished as those concrete steps

    12. Liverpool 3 Everton 2, FA Cup Final, May 20, 1989

    What should have been a festive occasion was overshadowed by events five weeks earlier. An exciting match but better remembered for the collective sadness of a city. 'Abide With Me' sung in a Scouse accent was a first – normally it was only our own communal songs - and the eeriness of the minute’s silence, broken only by the cackle of police radios, lives in the mind longer than the action on the pitch.

    11. Liverpool 3 Everton 1, FA Cup Final, May 10, 1986

    A year earlier, Kenny Dalglish had taken over as manager amid the debris of Heysel. Seven days before the first all-Merseyside Cup Final, the player-manager had scored the only goal against Chelsea to take the title from under Everton’s noses. Now, on a frenzied day in the old stadium, Everton took the lead and Liverpool looked about to disintegrate when Jim Beglin and Bruce Grobbelaar squared up. Then Jan Molby took over, Ian Rush scored twice and the Double was secured. And the trains, coaches, minibuses and cars rolled northwards still decked in red and blue with little hint of trouble. Sadly, it could not happen now.

    10. Johnny Todd at Anfield, Liverpool v Toulouse, August 28, 2007

    You know it as the Z-Cars theme. It is the song that Everton run out to at Goodison Park. It is anathema across Stanley Park. When 11-year-old Rhys Jones was shot, the city was appalled. At Anfield, they showed their respect for the young Evertonian – and the anger at the killers – by playing his team’s song. Driven by Tony Barrett, a local journalist, the ensuing show of Scouse solidarity at once moved and inspired pride.

    9. Heysel, May 29, 1985

    Drunks, anger, charges, dead bodies. A sickening night, forever shrouded in a fog of tear gas and fear. Uefa’s choice of stadium set up a disaster, Liverpool fans did the rest. A night few can look back on with pride. A low point.

    8. Liverpool 1 Chelsea 0, Champions League semi-final, second leg, Anfield, May 3, 2005

    After a 0-0 draw at Stamford Bridge, Jose Mourinho brought his side north confident that they would reach Istanbul. That was until they met the wall of noise waiting at Anfield. After four minutes, Liverpool were up by a disputed Luis Garcia goal that Chelsea claimed did not cross the line. Did the crowd’s ferocity influence the referee and linesman? Only they know but anyone who was there as the six minutes of stoppage time ticked away knows the meaning of the word atmosphere.

    7. Winning and losing, 1989

    Seconds to go at Anfield and another double looming. Although the team are 1-0 down to Arsenal, unless the London club score a second, then the title is coming home. Then Michael Thomas gets the run of the ball, get clear through on goal and delivers the championship to Highbury in the final seconds of the season. Anfield is stunned into silence. Then, a voice says: “You know what? Worse things happen. We know.” Two months on from Hillsborough, thousands of voices said the same thing around the ground and no tears were shed for a losing team. Arsenal and their fans were visibly shocked by their reception.

    6. Liverpool 3 St Etienne 1, European Cup quarter final, 1977

    Things were going so well. Just 1-0 down from the away leg, Kevin Keegan evened the game up in the first minute. The place exploded – the gates had been locked more than an hour before kick-off and the anticipation had been building. Then things got tight and, after half-time, when Fabien Bathenay scored from distance, everything seemed to be going wrong. Ray Kennedy lifted hopes with a headed goal but, with 10 minutes left, Liverpool were out on away goals. Enter David Fairclough, supersub. With six minutes left, Kennedy knocked the ball long. It seemed that the rake-thin Fairclough could neither outrace the St Etienne defence, nor stay on his feet as the centre half bundled into him. Yet he did, and struck the ball towards the goal. It seemed to bobble yet it found the net. Chaos. The roof almost came off the Kop. The old ground would not shake like this until Chelsea arrived nearly three decades later.

    5. Truth Day, Liverpool v Arsenal, FA Cup third round, January 6, 2007

    Kelvin McKenzie, short of publicity, decided to recycle his Hillsborough lies. The BBC, mistaking bombast for opinion, decided to give the man an outlet on television. The Kop responded by spending the first six minutes of this BBC-televised tie standing up and displaying a mosaic saying: The Truth. During this time – the game at Hillsborough was six minutes old before it was stopped – the crowd chanted ‘Justice for the 96’. The teams, reduced to bit-part players, wandered around the pitch unnoticed. It was a protest the like of which has never been seen before at a football ground and, watching, I have never been prouder.

    4. Liverpool 3 Borussia Mönchengladbach 1, European Cup final, Rome, May 25, 1977

    They came every way they could to the Eternal City, more that 20,000 fanatics, some taking a nightmare five-day train journey that would today provoke a human-rights lawsuit. What they saw was an immense performance from Kevin Keegan against a fine German side, stunning goals from local boys Terry McDermott and Tommy Smith to set up a victory that was sealed by a Phil Neal penalty. They danced in the streets and fountains and waved those red chequered flags with glee. European adventures come no better.

    3. Half-time, Liverpool v AC Milan, European Cup final, Istanbul, May 25, 2005

    “That’s it. Game over,” Andy Gray said, unable to keep the tone of satisfaction out of his voice. Of course, no one in the Ataturk could hear the television commentary but, at 3-0 down as the break loomed, Liverpool looked beaten. Then, with the players trooped down the tunnel, someone started singing You’ll Never Walk Alone. It started hesitantly, with an undertone of anger, but suddenly turned into the ultimate assertion of culture and belief. When it finished, the tension had lifted and the 40,000 Liverpool fans were no longer broken and defeated, even if the team was. Did this act of faith inspire the subsequent comeback from the team? If it didn’t, they don’t have a shred of soul between them.

    2. Bill Shankly arrives, December 1, 1959

    The man from Glenbuck came to Anfield, via Huddersfield Town, to find a club in almost terminal decline. Mired in the second tier for five years, Liverpool were going nowhere. “Quite a character,” the local paper mused. But it was a little bit more than that. This was year zero: nothing would ever be the same again. In the book Here We Go Gathering Cups in May, John Maguire, one of the writers, says: “Who knows what type of person I’d be now if that Scottish fella hadn’t walked into Anfield on a cold December day in 1959…” Maguire was not even born when Shankly left the club, but he understands his legacy. It would be a perfect ending if this was the most important moment to Liverpool fans. If only.

    1. April 15, 1989. Hillsborough

    First the objections. Why is this more important than Heysel? It is not a case of one set of dead being more valued than another. People were called to account for Heysel – not enough, sure, but an attempt was made to apportion responsibility. People were jailed, the Belgian government held an inquiry. Officials lost their jobs. There was justice of sorts. That disaster would not have happened without the dreadful behaviour of Liverpool fans. We accept that. It was a peculiar set of circumstances that, removing any one link in a causal chain, could have been avoided.

    Hillsborough was different. It could have happened to anyone – ask Tottenham Hotspur fans, who had a lucky escape when they played Wolves in 1981.

    But it happened to us and, instead of trying to get to the bottom of the problem and ensure the safety of fans, those charged with the protection of the public found it easier to blacken the name of innocent supporters – a libel that lingers on today. The consequences linger with the lies – the lack of standing, the prohibitive ticket prices. And knowing the sectarian nature of football support and its uncritical biases, it was easy to convince people that we stole from our own dead and urinated on the bodies and the police. Would you do it? Then why are you happy to believe I did. This was not just Liverpool’s disaster, it was all supporters’ disaster. And no game is worth 96 bodies – or 39. The most important moment in our history. Let’s hope the 96 get justice one day, then maybe it will be knocked off the top.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2778185.ece
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    Yes I do realise that was alot but hey I enjoyed that read and admittedly it pulled on the ol heart strings in parts.

    So what moments define your club best then, be it positive or negative?
    Chocolate Thunder
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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:55 pm

    The top 50 Manchester United moments
    From the stock market flotation of 1991 to a flirtation with third-tier football in 1934 - Bill Edgar, Times football writer and Manchester United fan, identifies the moments that made the club what they are today

    50 Stock Exchange flotation, 1991

    United were not the first football club to take this route, but it helped consolidate their position as the wealthiest outfit in the country.

    49 Thrashed by Barcelona, 1994

    United harboured hopes of becoming European champions but – hampered by the rule that restricted foreign players and classed non-English players from the British Isles as such – they were put firmly in their place by Romario, Stoichkov and Co.

    48 Betting scandal, 1915

    With United in danger of relegation from the top division, three of their players conspired with four Liverpool players to fix the match. All were banned for life.

    47 Playing at home in Plymouth, 1977

    Hooliganism followed United during the mid-1970s and, as punishment for their fans’ behaviour in the first leg away to St Etienne, they had to play the return at least 200 kilometres from Manchester, and duly progressed after a 2-0 win at Home Park.

    46 Louis Edwards scandal, 1980

    Granada Television’s World in Action programme accused United chairman Louis Edwards of suspect dealing in the meat industry and bribing the parents of schoolboy players. The police and football authorities began investigating but Edwards soon died of a heart attack, leaving the inquires to peter out.

    45 Whiteside’s winner, 1985

    Norman Whiteside had already shown his liking for the big occasion by scoring in the FA Cup and League Cup finals of 1983 and playing in the 1982 World Cup finals. Facing Everton, the league champions, in the 1985 FA Cup Final in a United side down to ten men, he curled a brilliant shot home in extra-time to ensure a 1-0 win.

    44 MUTV launched, 1998

    To emphasise their ambition and commercial standing, United formed their own television channel, three years before any other English club. Chelsea TV followed in 2001.

    43 Signing of Rooney, 2004

    Wayne Rooney was English football’s hottest property for years so United flexed their financial muscle to prize him from Everton for a transfer fee of up to £29million.

    42 Michael Knighton’s juggling, 1989

    The prospective owner played keepy-uppy in the sunshine before the opening-day hammering of Arsenal but the deal fell through amid claims that he could not find backers.

    41 Ray Wood’s injury, 1957

    United were firm favourites to complete the first League and Cup Double of the 20th century but Peter McFarland’s violent foul on Ray Wood after six minutes forced the United goalkeeper off. In the days before substitutes and proper punishment for foul play, United had to play 10 against 11 (instead of 11 against 10) and duly lost 2-1.

    40 Holders drop the FA Cup, 2000

    Apparently encouraged by the FA to play in the inaugural Club World Championship in Brazil, United withdrew from the FA Cup having won it the previous season. They were criticised for showing a lack of respect to the famous competition.

    39 Barcelona blown away, 1984

    After losing the first leg of their Cup Winners’ Cup quarter-final 2-0 in Spain, United stormed back on a raucous night at Old Trafford to beat Diego Maradona’s side 3-0, with two goals from Bryan Robson and one from Frank Stapleton.

    38 Docherty’s affair, 1977

    Newspapers revealed that manager Tommy Docherty was having an affair with Mary Brown, wife of United physio Laurie, so United, embarrassed by the scandal, sacked him.

    37 Giggs’ weaving run, 1999

    United were a man down in extra-time of their FA Cup semi-final replay against Arsenal when Ryan Giggs intercepted Patrick Vieira’s pass on the halfway line and swayed around several challenges before blasting the winner and baring his chest. The goal gave United the belief that they could achieve the treble.

    36 Comeback at Anfield, 1988

    The league table showed United were inferior to Liverpool throughout the 1980s yet they raised their game when up against their bitter rivals. Facing one of the great Liverpool sides, they fell 3-1 behind but, with ten men, recovered to draw 3-3, extending their league record against the Merseysiders to one defeat in 17 games. Gordon Strachan celebrated his equaliser provocatively, pretending to smoke a cigar

    35 Kung-fu fighting, 1995

    Eric Cantona had a unique way of dealing with life’s problems so, when a spectator abused him at Selhurst Park in the match against Crystal Palace, he launched his feet into the man’s chest and was banned for eight months.

    34 Agonising collapse, 1992

    Nerves and a congested fixture list foiled United’s pursuit of a first league title for 25 years. Defeats in late April at home to Nottingham Forest and away to West Ham United and a draw away to Luton Town, all in the space of five days, left Leeds United in pole position. The failure only added to the sense of exhilaration when the holy grail was finally reached a year later.

    33 BSkyB’s failed takeover, 1998

    Fourteen years after Robert Maxwell proved unable to take control of United, Rupert Murdoch tried his luck and seemed to have got his way when the club recommended that shareholders accept BSkyB’s offer. But, after the deal had been referred to the Monopolies and Mergers Commission, the Department of Trade and Industry blocked it.

    32 Robson signs, 1981

    Ron Atkinson described Robson as “pure gold” when signing the England midfield player from West Bromwich Albion and the player repaid the compliment by helping to ensure United finished in the top four throughout the manager’s five-year reign.

    31 Fergie gives Beckham the boot, 2003

    Angered by David Beckham’s supposedly failure to mark an opponent when Arsenal scored in their FA Cup win at Old Trafford, Sir Alex Ferguson kicked a boot that flew at David Beckham, scarring his forehead. It symbolised the manager’s frustration at the celebrity circus surrounding the player and Beckham was sold at the end of the season.

    30 United turn on Wembley style, 1948

    In what was considered one of the great FA Cup Finals, United beat Blackpool 4-2 to help create their reputation for stylish football that remains today.

    29 Nike deal, 2002

    The sportswear company agreed to give United £300million over the next 13 years, cementing their position as England’s richest club.

    28 Giggs swaps sides, 1988

    Ryan Giggs played at Manchester City as a schoolboy but he was poached by United, who have been repaid with 15 years of flair, consistency and success.

    27 Saints Day, 1976

    United reached their first FA Cup Final in 13 years in 1976 when they met Southampton. While the game ended in a surprising defeat, it established United’s habit of reaching this fixture – five times in ten years from 1976 to 1985 – just as the game was being shown around the world in more and more countries on television, thereby increasing their worldwide following.

    26 United almost third rate, 1934

    Only a last-day win away to Millwall saved United from relegation to the third tier. Such was their lowly status in the 1930s that just 3,900 watched the match against Middlesbrough in 1931.
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    25 Fergie’s U-turn, 2002

    Sir Alex Ferguson had announced that he would retire at the end of the 2001-02 season and the campaign started badly. The manager decided he couldn’t get let go, though, and stayed to engineer further league titles in 2003 and 2007.

    24 United raid City, 1906

    Manchester City were forced to sell a raft of players after making illegal payments, while Billy Meredith also had to leave them for allegedly bribing an Aston Villa player. An auction was planned where all clubs could attempt to buy them but United courted and signed four in advance in secret, including Meredith, angering their rivals. The new players helped United win their first trophies, the league titles of 1908 and 1911 and the FA Cup of 1909.

    23 Denis Law arrives, 1962

    The Scotland striker was signed from Torino and became European Footballer of the Year in 1964 and a cult hero at Old Trafford.

    22 Busby steps down, 1969

    Sir Matt Busby had built up Manchester United almost single-handedly so the decision to maintain his enormous presence in the background, as general manager, seemed to hamper Wilf McGuiness, his successor. A decline set in.

    21 Title collapse, 1986

    United had begun the season in scintillating style with ten successive victories and seemed likely to end their long search for the league title. But their challenge gradually fell apart and they lost the lead in February on a weekend when they were beaten by West Ham United at Upton Park.

    20 Old Trafford is bombed, 1939-1945

    The war-time damage inflicted on Old Trafford forced United to play at Manchester City’s Maine Road ground until 1949. It reinforced the feeling that the club had to start again from scratch having not won a trophy since 1911, and they did so to great effect.

    19 Cantona signs, 1992

    Almost as an after thought, Sir Alex Ferguson asked Leeds United if he might be allowed to have Eric Cantona and he was granted his wish for just £1 million. The France forward inspired four league titles in his five seasons at the club and galvanised the young players with his diligent training.

    18 Relegation, 1974

    The shock of demotion six years after conquering Europe shook up the club. Tommy Docherty built an exciting team that attracted the highest average attendances in the country despite playing in the second tier and they stormed back to the top flight.

    17 Old Trafford expands, 2006

    The increase in capacity to 76,000 meant the stadium held 16,000 more seats than any other English club.

    16 Robins keeps Fergie bobbing along, 1990

    Sir Alex Ferguson was thought to be close to the sack but Mark Robins scored the only goal in the FA Cup third round tie away to Nottingham Forest and United went on to win the manager’s first trophy, buying him time that he put to good use.

    15 Fergie’s Jimmy Hill outburst, 1994

    After television highlighted a foul by Eric Cantona in United’s FA Cup victory away to Norwich City, Sir Alex Ferguson showed he had little time for perceived unfair media criticism, accusing the BBC’s football panel of being Liverpool fans and announcing that “Jimmy Hill is a prat” – a line that was repeated in front-page headlines the following day.

    14 League title, 1952

    In the season when the phrase “Busby Babes” was first mentioned, United won their first league championship under Sir Matt Busby.

    13 Keane joins United, 1993

    Roy Keane had told Blackburn Rovers he would sign for them from Nottingham Forest but United intervened and the Irishman changed his mind. He was their driving force from midfield for 12 years.

    12 American nightmare, 2005

    A club with no debt was plunged deeply into the red via the takeover by Malcolm Glazer and his family. Many United fans were so aghast that they formed their own club, FC United.

    11 Perfect ten, 1956

    United shrugged off the opposition of English football authorities to become European pioneers. They won their first home match 10-0 against Anderlecht.

    10 Entertainment, please, 1981

    Jose Mourinho’s recent dismissal by Chelsea was far from the first case of a manager losing his job because his team’s football was too dull. Dave Sexton had just finished the season with seven successive league wins but he was ditched in favour of the extrovert Ron Atkinson, who brought a flamboyancy to United’s play.

    9 George Best emerges, 1963

    The swaggering Northern Irishman is widely considered to have been the greatest British player and his presence helped swell interest in United during the 1960s.

    8 Keane’s prawn sandwich blast, 2000

    Roy Keane was so angered by the criticism from the corporate areas of Old Trafford during the Champions League match against Dynamo Kiev that he dismissed their occupants as prawn sandwich eaters who had little knowledge of the game.

    7 Bruce’s header, 1993

    United had trailed at home to Sheffield Wednesday until late in the game in the league run-in but, after conjuring up the equaliser, Steve Bruce added the winning goal deep into stoppage time to leave Brian Kidd, the assistant manager, on his knees on the pitch in delight and United ahead of Aston Villa in the table. Three weeks later they wrapped up their first league title in 26 years.

    6 Bobby Charlton’s debut, 1956

    As perhaps the most famous English player of all time, his presence in the team for 17 years helped to make United famous around the world.

    5 The Nou Camp, 1999

    United’s first European Cup for 31 years and the first such League-FA Cup-European Cup treble by an English team were achieved through two goals in stoppage time against Bayern Munich in the final.

    4 European champions at last, 1968

    Ten years after the destruction in a plane crash of the United team that had seemed destined to win the European Cup, Sir Matt Busby guided a rebuilt side to glory against Benfica on an emotional night at Wembley.

    3 Fergie’s appointment, 1986

    Sir Alex Ferguson became manager, kicked out the drinkers, overhauled the youth system and achieved his stated aim of knocking Liverpool off their perch.

    2 Munich air crash, 1958

    Eight United players were killed when their plane crashed in Munich after a refuelling stop on the return from a European Cup tie in Belgrade. The wiping out of the standard bearers of English football brought world-wide sympathy for the club and fired imaginations as to what they might have achieved.

    1 Busby’s arrival, 1945

    United were just another medium-sized club when Sir Matt Busby became manager after the war and he, more than anyone, was responsible for turning them into giants of the world game, building three great teams and laying down a philosophy of attacking football.
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    38. Dalglish resigns, February 22, 1991

    Sir Alex Ferguson, with characteristic obscenity, says his greatest achievement is “knocking Liverpool off their f****** perch”. When Kenny Dalglish resigned as manager after Liverpool threw away a quartet of leads in the 4-4 draw with Everton in the FA Cup, the team were top of the league. Dalglish left, emotionally in tatters, another victim of Hillsborough. Manchester United filled the vacuum created by tragedy, that’s all. But expecting humility from Ferguson is too much. Grim years loomed ahead.


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    Post by S4P Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:01 pm

    I've only been a fan since the summer of 2003, so I'll only comment on the 3 most painful moments since that time. I'm talking of course about the 3 CL semi-final 2nd legs.

    3. In front at half-time against Monaco and cruising it seemed. Oh no, Ranieri has a bad day at the office with his tactics for the 2nd half, and ultimately puts the final nail in his coffin.

    2. Going into the 2nd leg with a 1-0 lead against a v good Pool side. Knew we would rue some of those missed chances at SB and it was proven so. Deserved to lose that night, we were 2nd best.

    1. Certainly weren't 2nd best in terms of play on this occasion, although we simply couldn't stick the ball in the back of the net. Was it a goal? Who knows.

    In my time as a Man United fan between 1991-2003, the best moment was of course signing Juan Veron. Ale
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:05 pm

    The Arsenal list is dreadful. More than half the list is from the 1950s or earlier and has minor events like us playing a weakened team against Chelsea on Boxing Day one year in the 1940s. Yet it doesn't mention winning our first European trophy, the cup double in 1993 and even worse it doesn't mention Anfield '89! Probably the most dramatic moment in our history (and even in English league history) and it doesn't warrant a mention, which is inexplicable really.

    The list is here if anyone wants to read it. Probably quite interesting if people are interested in the 'good old days' of the 1920s-1950s, not so good as a defining list of Arsenal moments.

    http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article2864726.ece


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    Post by Chocolate Thunder Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:06 pm

    S4P wrote:I've only been a fan since the summer of 2003, so I'll only comment on the 3 most painful moments since that time. I'm talking of course about the 3 CL semi-final 2nd legs.

    3. In front at half-time against Monaco and cruising it seemed. Oh no, Ranieri has a bad day at the office with his tactics for the 2nd half, and ultimately puts the final nail in his coffin.

    2. Going into the 2nd leg with a 1-0 lead against a v good Pool side. Knew we would rue some of those missed chances at SB and it was proven so. Deserved to lose that night, we were 2nd best.

    1. Certainly weren't 2nd best in terms of play on this occasion, although we simply couldn't stick the ball in the back of the net. Was it a goal? Who knows.

    In my time as a Man United fan between 1991-2003, the best moment was of course signing Juan Veron. Ale

    Yes, yes it was Smile


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    Post by Parks lives Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:07 pm

    I also don't agree with alot of our top 50 moments in that list.

    Although Busby & Fergie arriving, Munich, 1968 and the treble are all deservedly well placed, some important moments are missing.

    The great win over Benfica away and George Best announcing himself as one of the best players in the World is the kind of thing that defines us in my opinion.
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    Spankeltoe wrote:I also don't agree with alot of our top 50 moments in that list.

    Although Busby & Fergie arriving, Munich, 1968 and the treble are all deservedly well placed, some important moments are missing.

    The great win over Benfica away and George Best announcing himself as one of the best players in the World is the kind of thing that defines us in my opinion.

    keane's prawn sandwich speech is definitely deserving of it's place so high up the list.

    It provides the definition for the vast majority of old trafford fans, or at least what most of the general public think of them

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    Post by Isco Benny Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:45 pm

    S4P wrote:I've only been a fan since the summer of 2003, so I'll only comment on the 3 most painful moments since that time. I'm talking of course about the 3 CL semi-final 2nd legs.

    3. In front at half-time against Monaco and cruising it seemed. Oh no, Ranieri has a bad day at the office with his tactics for the 2nd half, and ultimately puts the final nail in his coffin.

    2. Going into the 2nd leg with a 1-0 lead against a v good Pool side. Knew we would rue some of those missed chances at SB and it was proven so. Deserved to lose that night, we were 2nd best.

    1. Certainly weren't 2nd best in terms of play on this occasion, although we simply couldn't stick the ball in the back of the net. Was it a goal? Who knows.

    In my time as a Man United fan between 1991-2003, the best moment was of course signing Juan Veron. Ale

    lol! (at least I hope its a joke)
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    Post by DS Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:46 pm

    And you all wondered how a Chelsea fan is so decent.
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    Post by robert Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:27 pm

    S4P wrote:I've only been a fan since the summer of 2003, so I'll only comment on the 3 most painful moments since that time. I'm talking of course about the 3 CL semi-final 2nd legs.

    3. In front at half-time against Monaco and cruising it seemed. Oh no, Ranieri has a bad day at the office with his tactics for the 2nd half, and ultimately puts the final nail in his coffin.

    2. Going into the 2nd leg with a 1-0 lead against a v good Pool side. Knew we would rue some of those missed chances at SB and it was proven so. Deserved to lose that night, we were 2nd best.

    1. Certainly weren't 2nd best in terms of play on this occasion, although we simply couldn't stick the ball in the back of the net. Was it a goal? Who knows.

    In my time as a Man United fan between 1991-2003, the best moment was of course signing Juan Veron. Ale

    Typical new age Chelsea fan, rich owner, awesome squad, 3 points off the top and still a victim mentality Razz
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    Post by S4P Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:32 pm

    Ade wrote:
    S4P wrote:I've only been a fan since the summer of 2003, so I'll only comment on the 3 most painful moments since that time. I'm talking of course about the 3 CL semi-final 2nd legs.

    3. In front at half-time against Monaco and cruising it seemed. Oh no, Ranieri has a bad day at the office with his tactics for the 2nd half, and ultimately puts the final nail in his coffin.

    2. Going into the 2nd leg with a 1-0 lead against a v good Pool side. Knew we would rue some of those missed chances at SB and it was proven so. Deserved to lose that night, we were 2nd best.

    1. Certainly weren't 2nd best in terms of play on this occasion, although we simply couldn't stick the ball in the back of the net. Was it a goal? Who knows.

    In my time as a Man United fan between 1991-2003, the best moment was of course signing Juan Veron. Ale

    Yes, yes it was Smile

    *Was it over the line?
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    Post by Machiavel Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:32 pm

    This kind of thread would be great in the European Leagues board.
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    Post by S4P Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:32 pm

    robert wrote:
    S4P wrote:I've only been a fan since the summer of 2003, so I'll only comment on the 3 most painful moments since that time. I'm talking of course about the 3 CL semi-final 2nd legs.

    3. In front at half-time against Monaco and cruising it seemed. Oh no, Ranieri has a bad day at the office with his tactics for the 2nd half, and ultimately puts the final nail in his coffin.

    2. Going into the 2nd leg with a 1-0 lead against a v good Pool side. Knew we would rue some of those missed chances at SB and it was proven so. Deserved to lose that night, we were 2nd best.

    1. Certainly weren't 2nd best in terms of play on this occasion, although we simply couldn't stick the ball in the back of the net. Was it a goal? Who knows.

    In my time as a Man United fan between 1991-2003, the best moment was of course signing Juan Veron. Ale

    Typical new age Chelsea fan, rich owner, awesome squad, 3 points off the top and still a victim mentality Razz

    It's tough for us glory hunters you know Razz
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    Post by S4P Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:34 pm

    Dark Savante wrote:And you all wondered how a Chelsea fan is so decent.

    We're not decent. Before 03 Chelsea fans didn't exist. It was just people who hated Fulham and Millwall who went to the Bridge.
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    Post by Rasiak-9 Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:57 pm

    its a tough one this.

    but its got to be: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TrSZpSHU7Bk

    5.40 is a good moment though. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rqnrezxS5Sg

    (5.08 is very funny)
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    Post by Tom Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:03 pm

    S4P wrote:
    Dark Savante wrote:And you all wondered how a Chelsea fan is so decent.

    We're not decent. Before 03 Chelsea fans didn't exist. It was just people who hated Fulham and Millwall who went to the Bridge.
    its not people, its a cult which is more of a religion. down with thatcher
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:09 pm

    To answer more seriously, if I gave a top ten for Arsenal it would probably be (mostly chronological):

    Moving to North London
    Appointing Herbert Chapman as manager
    Winning the Fairs Cup, 1970
    The Double in 1971
    1979 FA Cup final
    1987 League Cup semi-final replay at WHL
    Appointing Wenger
    Unbeaten league season
    Moving away from Highbury

    And the most important defining event would undoubtedly be winning the league at Anfield in 1989.

    I might have missed a couple of significant occasions out because I haven't given this too much thought and it is a bit biased towards events that happened in my lifetime.
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    Post by Fey Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:13 pm

    CL final? That should be up there..
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    Post by Sheffield gunner Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:16 pm

    Yeah, that probably should be there. I was deciding between that and the league cup semi-final and ended up opting for the match that had a successful conclusion for us!
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    Post by Pierre Littbarski Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:14 pm

    Ade wrote:
    50. Hell’s angels, February 26, 2002

    There was plenty of apprehension for any British fans going to Istanbul in the early years of this decade. After all, two Leeds United fans were stabbed to death in 2000 before playing Galatasaray and the locals’ ‘Welcome to Hell’ banners had sent shivers down Manchester United spines. However, Liverpool’s visit to Gala in the second Champions League group was different. The visiting fans’ approach was summed up with a banner; “Welcome to hell my arse. If you think this is hell, try the Grafton on a Friday night.”

    The Grafton is a nightclub, famous for ‘grab-a-granny’ nights, where innocent young scallies find themselves at the mercy of predatory Liverpool divorcees. But the attitude was perfect: no fear, no aggressive confrontation and a slice of humour. It sums up the best attributes of the modern Liverpool fan. And, since then, every time the Reds have played in Istanbul, the local supporters have joined their party. And this is the essence of this list. The culture of football is about more than players and managers – in ten years, most of them will have moved on. It exists and grows through the supporters as much as the team.



    38. Dalglish resigns, February 22, 1991

    Sir Alex Ferguson, with characteristic obscenity, says his greatest achievement is “knocking Liverpool off their f****** perch”. When Kenny Dalglish resigned as manager after Liverpool threw away a quartet of leads in the 4-4 draw with Everton in the FA Cup, the team were top of the league. Dalglish left, emotionally in tatters, another victim of Hillsborough. Manchester United filled the vacuum created by tragedy, that’s all. But expecting humility from Ferguson is too much. Grim years loomed ahead.

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    Post by Sgoater1 Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:59 pm

    Cant be arsed doing lots but will pick one....

    Beating Gillingham on pens in the Div 2 play-off final !

    We came from 2-0, scoring in the 91st and 95th min to draw with Gillingham and then beat them on pens. If we hadnt done that then we could well be stuck in Div 2 and not in the top 6 of the EPL today.

    In future years i hope one defining moment will be the appointment of Sven.
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    Post by Deano Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:01 pm

    Playoff final for me too, against Preston. It was back to being a Premiership club...or into the lowly parts of the Championship and financial oblivion.
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:48 pm

    Gibbo bringing us back from the dead..

    Moving to the Riverside..

    Getting Robbo as manager..as $h!t as he was in the end, he put us on the map, gave us Juninho, got us to play decent football for a few years...and over the years I got to see us use Ravanelli..Gazza..Emerson..Branca..Merson..Ziege..etc. Gazza was a bit past it by then, but I can still say ive seen him play Very Happy

    Getting Venables in to help Robbo..and save us from relegation. Had we gone down again that would've been it I think..

    Bringing in McClaren, horse teeth was a wanker...but he did a fair amount of good work amongst the shite.

    Blooding the kids..its given a bit of identity to the club, fans know they're watching some players who want to win as much as they do.

    The UEFA Cup QF, SF 2nd legs...2 of the best nights of football im ever likely to see..and the final..although we got totally outclassed on the night..we were in a UEFA Cup final and that was madness in itself.

    The Carling Cup final win..only took us 128 years ok
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    Post by Deano Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:49 pm

    Tuncay Ale
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:51 pm

    Legend in ze making Ale
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    Post by Deano Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:53 pm

    I phoned Southgate up...told him he needed to play him. If he listened to me weeks ago...you'd be top of the league Ale
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:55 pm

    Give it a few more weeks ok

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