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    Inter vs Liverpool discussion thread!!

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    Post by COTR Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:40 pm

    A Tribe Called TS™️ wrote:
    kas wrote:Is it just me who thinks the praise for Gerrard's goal is way over the top and it wasn't actually intended as a shot? I mean, he fired it into an area where there were a lot of Liverpool players lurking.

    Yeah, but this is Gerrard we're talking about. My 1st thought is that it was a scuffed cross.

    If he did intend that then Huddlestone's 2nd against Fulham on Boxing day is a piece of genius. Ale

    There is no indication at all it was a cross

    He had been shooting all night

    of course it was a fucking shot Laughing


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    Post by S4P Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:42 pm

    COTR wrote:He had been shooting all night

    And you criticise Lampard for doing this coater. Razz


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    Post by lrdsucksgoats Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:43 pm

    I've seen the replays and I'm convinced Gerrard's cross went in because of a deflection.

    Kuyt I'm being a bit harder on, from the position he was in he just had to get it on target with power, which he did. Still an ungainly finish though.
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    Post by COTR Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:44 pm

    S4P wrote:
    COTR wrote:He had been shooting all night

    And you criticise Lampard for doing this coater. Razz
    I criticise lampard for many reasons

    the primary one being he is a useless midfielder

    gerrard pwning the inter midfield last night showed he isn't Laughing
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    Post by fcb Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:44 pm

    S4P wrote:In all honesty it looked like a cross-shot. Aiming it towards the goal, probably not expecting it to go in and just hoping that another player would slide in to finish.

    But then it's Gerrard so it's probably the 3rd greatest goal of all time (only behind Gerrard v Olympiacos and Gerrard v West Ham).

    *Exactly* the impression I had - I was watching the highlights, and didn't know which minute he scored so I wasn't expecting it...but the moment he hit it, I thought "ahh he's aiming for those players over there to tap it in", except it rolled all the way into the corner.

    I guess this is one of those pointless debates like Lampard's goal against Barça. People's perceptions will always differ.

    btw, Lampard's was a fluke.
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    Post by SuperMario Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:47 pm

    Taking Babel off was Rafa's masterstroke. Before that it was 10 v 10, therafter Pool really had an addtional man on the pitch.

    Pity Rafa waited too long with his move. First he tried to talk/scream some sense into Babel when he was still on the pitch, but to no avail, what a waste of space...
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:08 pm

    De Guzman wrote:Taking Babel off was Rafa's masterstroke. Before that it was 10 v 10, therafter Pool really had an addtional man on the pitch.

    Pity Rafa waited too long with his move. First he tried to talk/scream some sense into Babel when he was still on the pitch, but to no avail, what a waste of space...

    Very Happy

    Benitez got lucky I thought - Babel looked liked the the only 'pool player wwho could offer something different until Crouch came on. Kuyt (> Berbatov - lol!) when was the last time he scored a "clean" goal ?!
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    Post by Fey Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:39 pm

    That is Babel..he always looks dangerous...while infact he never is!! A sheep in wolves clothes...nothing less!
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    Post by Roger Hunt Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:59 pm

    S4P wrote:But then it's Gerrard so it's probably the 3rd greatest goal of all time (only behind Gerrard v Olympiacos and Gerrard v West Ham).

    Obviously you are forgetting Gerrard's 30-yard screamer against Man U (in 2002 I think) and Gerrard's 40-yard screamer against Germany (in 2001).

    So only 5th best and then it's competing against the Greatest Header Ever in a Champions League Final TM
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    Post by DS Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:01 pm

    COTR wrote:
    S4P wrote:
    COTR wrote:He had been shooting all night

    And you criticise Lampard for doing this coater. Razz
    I criticise lampard for many reasons

    the primary one being he impersonating as a midfielder

    gerrard pwning the inter midfield last night showed he isn't Laughing
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    Post by Machiavel Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:09 pm

    Fey wrote:That is Babel..he always looks dangerous...while infact he never is!! A sheep in wolves clothes...nothing less!

    He was trying too hard (just like Kuyt), funny part was him trying to get past Maicon. Benayoun should have played, Rafa Evil or Very Mad
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    Post by Allez les rouges Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:01 pm

    Think some people are being unbelievably unfair on Inter (despite some recent more balanced posts from Blue, Bash and Tweedle) – some criticism is predictable and inevitable given their recent status, but they deserve credit for what approached a masterclass in defensive rearguard action before Cordoba's exit and the late goals, which had an element of fortune about them. (Not that Liverpool didn't deserve any luck, but Inter can consider themselves somewhat unfortunate to have lost by more than one goal in the circumstances.) Liverpool might've dominated from the start but it's the height of naivety to suggest the ludicrous sending-off had no influence on the game – I agree with Blue that Inter seemed to be just finding their feet at that stage and who knows what we might have seen 11 v 11. We were cheated of a real spectacle, and as disappointing as Inter's lack of ambition might have been (very harsh to criticize them with ten men though), I think people are being very harsh on the quality of the game in general too – there were a few lovely touches even in a disappointing Inter display to remind one of what one is missing in the thin Premiership gruel; a stunning Zanetti run to beat a couple of players before being dispossessed by the excellent Mascherano stood out for me. Liverpool looked for so long, as so often, like they were struggling to break down a resolute defence and keeper with a mere bludgeon and no rapier to accompany it, but fair play – even if Inter's chances are now very slender they have a duty to their fans and fans of European football in general to show what they're capable of at home.

    Prophetic words from Blue before the game on how disastrous a red card might prove, and I didn't notice the bit where children eats humble pie re Rafa's selection – I thought it was clever when I saw the 4-2-3-1 formation with Lucas and Masch letting Gerrard loose with Kuyt and Babel on the flanks,. and certainly game, set and probably match to Benitez over Mancini on the tactical front.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:36 pm

    Cruciate woe for Cordoba
    Wednesday 20 February, 2008

    Inter have lost defender Ivan Cordoba for the remainder of the season after he sustained a cruciate ligament injury against Liverpool.

    The Colombian stopper was stretchered off in agony after landing badly on his knee at Anfield last night and the problem has proven to be as serious as feared.

    Scans conducted at the San Matteo clinic have revealed a break in the anterior cruciate ligament in Cordoba’s left knee and he will now undergo surgery in the next few hours.

    The injury is the same as fellow defender Walter Samuel’s, which the Argentine picked up in the derby against Milan and leaves Roberto Mancini with a worrying defensive shortage for the Champions League last 16 second leg.

    With Marco Materazzi suspended, the pressure will fall on Cristian Chivu and Nicolas Burdisso to hold the defence together.

    There is no precise recovery date for Cordoba as yet, but the best possible case would see him return for the very end of the campaign.

    However, it seems much more likely that it is the end of the season for another of Inter’s key men.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:25 pm

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    Post by Parks lives Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:26 pm

    I've got Samuel and Cordoba in my CL team. Yikes
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:30 pm

    Burdisso-Chivu is still a very decent centre back pairing. Amazing squad depth.

    If any other team lost 3 central defenders they'd be fucked.
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:38 pm

    Tweedle wrote:Burdisso-Chivu is still a very decent centre back pairing. Amazing squad depth.

    If any other team lost 3 central defenders they'd be fucked.

    But Cordoba is the best defender Inter have for a 1v1 battle against a pacy striker. Liverpool will play on the counter, especially with Torres - Burdisso & Chivu won't cope as well as Ivan would in this type of game.
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    Post by Allez les rouges Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:39 pm

    Parks lives wrote:I've got Samuel and Cordoba in my CL team. Yikes

    Cheer up. I had Materazzi in mine, it could be worse Sad
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    Post by Bashmachkin Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:57 pm

    I agree with TS, Inter will miss Cordoba's pace in the second leg when Liverpool will look to play on the counter. He looked in a lot of pain as soon as he went down, and I thought one Inter player was actually signalling that he had broken his leg - he was Inter's best defender, but I guess I attributed Liverpool's late goals simply to fortune, the constant pressure Inter had been under, and perhaps Maicon's poor positioning for the first, rather than to Cordoba's absence.

    On the other hand, it's maybe a good thing that Materazzi won't be available for the game because he is very slow, though he would have been a threat from corners.

    I don't know much about him, and it sounds like he hasn't played many Serie A games this season, but Inter also have Nelson Rivas for the centre of defence. Could he be a better option to partner Burdisso than Chivu, given that Chivu lacks pace too and could offer some creativity in midfield? Or would that be a bit of a risk? It's interesting to consider how Inter could line up for the second leg.
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    Post by jmf Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:08 pm

    I've seen the point made with no counter here in several posts that Materazzi's first yellow was for clipping Torres' leg... I don't know if it was particular to the ESPN broadcast, but from the replay angle, it was quite clear that Materazzi came across to his left and impeded Torres while the ball was rolling ahead to his right - there was obviously zero intent to play the ball and that was the infraction for which I thought the first card was given. Seems even more plausible that he would earn a second for again, playing the man and not the ball.

    FTG...
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:12 pm

    obstruction? it happens all the time in football and refs never blow for it. But it was stupid for him though, if he had run to the ball rather than looking over his shoulder he wouldve probably got there first.
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    Post by jmf Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:16 pm

    BoBo Vieri wrote:obstruction? it happens all the time in football and refs never blow for it. But it was stupid for him though, if he had run to the ball rather than looking over his shoulder he wouldve probably got there first.

    Agreed. But it's Materazzi so not only do we know the refs are waiting to givce it to him - but we know he's asking for it as well.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:18 pm

    jmf wrote:
    BoBo Vieri wrote:obstruction? it happens all the time in football and refs never blow for it. But it was stupid for him though, if he had run to the ball rather than looking over his shoulder he wouldve probably got there first.

    Agreed. But it's Materazzi so not only do we know the refs are waiting to givce it to him - but we know he's asking for it as well.

    Totally agree, he knows his rep, and he knew he was on a yellow so he shouldve been careful.
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    Post by COTR Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:21 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:

    Prophetic words from Blue before the game on how disastrous a red card might prove, and I didn't notice the bit where children eats humble pie re Rafa's selection – I thought it was clever when I saw the 4-2-3-1 formation with Lucas and Masch letting Gerrard loose with Kuyt and Babel on the flanks,. and certainly game, set and probably match to Benitez over Mancini on the tactical front.

    I don't see your point here

    Lucas and kuyt were ok but nothing more. Just because kuyt scored at the end does make my thoughts before the game invalid. The truth is with alonso and maybe kewell or benayoun we would probably have been even more dominant.

    Rafa gets credit for picking a winning formation obviously but we probably would have played a lot better without lucas and kuyt. But we cannot prove a thing
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    Post by bluenine Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:23 pm

    Allez les rouges wrote:
    Parks lives wrote:I've got Samuel and Cordoba in my CL team. Yikes

    Cheer up. I had Materazzi in mine, it could be worse Sad

    I have all 3 of them in my club Sad
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    Post by Deano Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:24 pm

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    Post by The Pröfessör Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:24 pm

    COTR wrote:
    Allez les rouges wrote:

    Prophetic words from Blue before the game on how disastrous a red card might prove, and I didn't notice the bit where children eats humble pie re Rafa's selection – I thought it was clever when I saw the 4-2-3-1 formation with Lucas and Masch letting Gerrard loose with Kuyt and Babel on the flanks,. and certainly game, set and probably match to Benitez over Mancini on the tactical front.

    I don't see your point here

    Lucas and kuyt were ok but nothing more. Just because kuyt scored at the end does make my thoughts before the game invalid. The truth is with alonso and maybe kewell or benayoun we would probably have been even more dominant.

    Rafa gets credit for picking a winning formation obviously but we probably would have played a lot better without lucas and kuyt. But we cannot prove a thing

    u should always start him in tight games.
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    Post by bluenine Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:32 pm

    A Tribe Called TS™ wrote:
    Tweedle wrote:Burdisso-Chivu is still a very decent centre back pairing. Amazing squad depth.

    If any other team lost 3 central defenders they'd be fucked.

    But Cordoba is the best defender Inter have for a 1v1 battle against a pacy striker. Liverpool will play on the counter, especially with Torres - Burdisso & Chivu won't cope as well as Ivan would in this type of game.

    I hope its Chivu and Rivas at San Siro, not Burdisso. We will need some of Rivas muscle to compliment Chivu's vision in the defense.

    The problem is that Mancio knows that 1 goal by Liverpool will surely kill us... so Inter may not play their usual attacking free flowing game, but start this game more cautiously. Which is probably the best strategy. But I really suspect our ability to play a cautious game, without our 3 main CBs.

    We will need a BIG game from Cambiasso, Zanetti, & Stankovic. And some lethal running by Maicon and maybe some genius by Figo and Ibra. We need everything to come together at once. Maybe a miracle.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:35 pm

    You don't think Burdisso has muscle? i think he's very underrated.
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    Post by bluenine Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:38 pm

    Burdisso is a good utility player, I wouldn't mind him in partnership with a Samuel or a Cordoba... but with Chivu, I think Rivas will be more suited.

    BoBo Vieri wrote:You don't think Burdisso has muscle? i think he's very underrated.

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