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    Post by Blue9 Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:30 pm

    A bit premature to start this, but it will be a great contest.

    Lets post our views here. Here is what Mancio had to say on the draw:

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    Roberto Mancini insists he is happy to have drawn Liverpool in the Champions League. “It’s the weaker sides on paper who are more dangerous.” Inter were paired with the 2005 winners and 2007 Finalists for the first knockout round and will face off at Anfield Road on Tuesday February 19 before the San Siro decider on March 12. “It is a good draw,” assured Mancio. “There are no weak sides in the competition now and history teaches us that when you pick those who are weaker on paper, they are the ones where you most risk tripping up. “It is better to take on the strongest of the lot, as if you want to lift the trophy then you have to beat them all. I think this will be a battle of two great teams.”

    Liverpool have only met Inter once before, in the 1964-65 semi-final. The Italians lost 3-1 away, but won the second leg 3-0 and went on to lift the European Cup. “Liverpool are a strong side, very solid with great players. They have the English mentality, but also the tactical nous of a Coach who studies and prepares for games very carefully,” added Mancini. “They are very good on home turf and have eliminated Chelsea twice as well as Juventus in recent years.”
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    Post by Luis Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:30 pm

    I think it will be the toughest test in Europe under Rafa so far, I know we've drawn Barca, Juventus and Chelsea etc before but Inter are a team who not only have a superb defence but who have players with experience at the top level and players who can hurt any team at any time.

    Despite this, I think we can win, in Europe we can beat anyone and tactically, Benitez is probably the best coach to have in the knockout stages of the champions league, obviously the top players will have to perform, Torres, Gerrard etc, we will have a few new players i'm sure plus Agger and Pennant should be back so I'm confident.

    Should be a cracking game
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    Post by Since 1888 Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:31 pm

    The great Pennant returns, easy win for Liverpool.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:28 am

    Blue9 wrote:Mancini glad to face Liverpool
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    Roberto Mancini insists he is happy to have drawn Liverpool in the Champions League. “It’s the weaker sides on paper who are more dangerous. Then they wouldnt be the weak sides now would they??” Inter were paired with the 2005 winners and 2007 Finalists for the first knockout round and will face off at Anfield Road on Tuesday February 19 before the San Siro decider on March 12. “It is a good draw,” assured Mancio. “There are no weak sides in the competition now and history teaches us that when you pick those who are weaker on paper, they are the ones where you most risk tripping up. [i] That's only because losing out against a big side provides you with an excuse[ /i] “It is better to take on the strongest of the lot, as if you want to lift the trophy then you have to beat them all. [i] Nope, it is a cup competition and luck can get you far[ /i] I think this will be a battle of two great teams.”


    I am sorry, I know managers have to say these things, but Mancini makes no sense..


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    Post by NCFC Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:29 am

    lol! Thats a ridiculous quote.
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    Post by StevieG Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:45 am

    haha looks like mancini has a few brain cells missing . COME ON THE POOL!

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    Post by Super Progress Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:52 am

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:
    Blue9 wrote:Mancini glad to face Liverpool
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    Roberto Mancini insists he is happy to have drawn Liverpool in the Champions League. “It’s the weaker sides on paper who are more dangerous. Then they wouldnt be the weak sides now would they??” Inter were paired with the 2005 winners and 2007 Finalists for the first knockout round and will face off at Anfield Road on Tuesday February 19 before the San Siro decider on March 12. “It is a good draw,” assured Mancio. “There are no weak sides in the competition now and history teaches us that when you pick those who are weaker on paper, they are the ones where you most risk tripping up. [i] That's only because losing out against a big side provides you with an excuse[ /i] “It is better to take on the strongest of the lot, as if you want to lift the trophy then you have to beat them all. [i] Nope, it is a cup competition and luck can get you far[ /i] I think this will be a battle of two great teams.”


    I am sorry, I know managers have to say these things, but Mancini makes no sense..
    I know i hate they have to say that bullshit everytime about not being the favourite. for once i would like a manager to say his side is better and should go on. allthough to be fair he is not saying Liverpool are weak but weaker and there is a difference. but i agree with the last part and getting a good draw can get you a long way(Germany 2002). it used to be balanced out a bit by the 2. group stage but not you just have to get lucky in many ways.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:01 am

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:
    Blue9 wrote:Mancini glad to face Liverpool
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    Roberto Mancini insists he is happy to have drawn Liverpool in the Champions League. “It’s the weaker sides on paper who are more dangerous. Then they wouldnt be the weak sides now would they??” Inter were paired with the 2005 winners and 2007 Finalists for the first knockout round and will face off at Anfield Road on Tuesday February 19 before the San Siro decider on March 12. “It is a good draw,” assured Mancio. “There are no weak sides in the competition now and history teaches us that when you pick those who are weaker on paper, they are the ones where you most risk tripping up. [i] That's only because losing out against a big side provides you with an excuse[ /i] “It is better to take on the strongest of the lot, as if you want to lift the trophy then you have to beat them all. [i] Nope, it is a cup competition and luck can get you far[ /i] I think this will be a battle of two great teams.”


    I am sorry, I know managers have to say these things, but Mancini makes no sense..

    I think what he is trying to say is that generally Inter would struggle against the weaker sides on paper because they become complacent. Not sure thats true, but i think thats what hes trying to get at.

    IMO Liverpool is not a good draw for Inter. If inter had drawn Olympiakos or Schalke then they wouldve simply outclassed them. Liverpool are just extremely good at CL KO matches and you know Benitez will have his tactics spot on.
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    Post by S4P Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:36 pm

    As a Chelsea fan I have to say come on Inter. I know for a fact that if Pool get through this tie we'll meet again in the semis and it'll be heartbreak again for the blues Neutral
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    Post by StevieG Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:40 pm

    this is the hardest game to call a result tbh. i think it will be that close. i will definately be watching both legs of this one.

    im going for a pool win simply because of their history in the competition.
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    Post by Blue9 Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:03 pm

    I think all Mancio is trying to do is portray a positive picture after getting the worst possible draw. Literally of course some of these things make no sense, but I would rather him say this than cry about a tough draw!

    I actually like the fact that he is saying this is a good draw, and that he wants Inter to face the big teams! <Ale> A positive statement!

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    Blue9 wrote:Mancini glad to face Liverpool
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    Roberto Mancini insists he is happy to have drawn Liverpool in the Champions League. “It’s the weaker sides on paper who are more dangerous. Then they wouldnt be the weak sides now would they??” Inter were paired with the 2005 winners and 2007 Finalists for the first knockout round and will face off at Anfield Road on Tuesday February 19 before the San Siro decider on March 12. “It is a good draw,” assured Mancio. “There are no weak sides in the competition now and history teaches us that when you pick those who are weaker on paper, they are the ones where you most risk tripping up. [i] That's only because losing out against a big side provides you with an excuse[ /i] “It is better to take on the strongest of the lot, as if you want to lift the trophy then you have to beat them all. [i] Nope, it is a cup competition and luck can get you far[ /i] I think this will be a battle of two great teams.”


    I am sorry, I know managers have to say these things, but Mancini makes no sense..
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    Post by Blue9 Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:15 pm

    I have said this here many times before the draw, Liverpool were he only team would like to avoid in the second round. Well, that was not to be....

    The reasons were simple. Liverpool have the experience of winning in this competition, and always perform better in the CL coz of that... also they have a tactically good manager for cup competitions... plus their form has started to pick up, and unlike say Arsenal, I expect Liverpool to be on top of their game come feb (tho you can never really be sure).

    For us, Samuel is a big loss, but we have enuf cover in the defence. Inter this season are playing like champions, who never want to lose even a single game. If we can contnue like this, and we will surely have our starting midfielders back by feb (Figo, Stank, Vieira), we can beat anyone.

    Its a 50-50 game IMO. A lot depends on the first leg.

    Luis wrote:I think it will be the toughest test in Europe under Rafa so far, I know we've drawn Barca, Juventus and Chelsea etc before but Inter are a team who not only have a superb defence but who have players with experience at the top level and players who can hurt any team at any time.

    Despite this, I think we can win, in Europe we can beat anyone and tactically, Benitez is probably the best coach to have in the knockout stages of the champions league, obviously the top players will have to perform, Torres, Gerrard etc, we will have a few new players i'm sure plus Agger and Pennant should be back so I'm confident.

    Should be a cracking game
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:59 am

    I've come to the decision that I'm not THAT fussed about how this game goes.

    Its probably because I don't hate Inter as much as I do Roma. They're fans aren't half as bad and don't turn up to every game with machettis. Also, Milanese are much nicer than Romans. Romans are generally arrogant pricks that think their city is the best thing since sliced bread, despite the fact that its too congested and stinks of sewage Ale

    Anyway....

    Should be a very tactical tie. I'm not expecting a great gam in either leg and think that it'll be a tight game.

    The first leg is of course crutial. Liverpool could destroy Inter at Anfield, but likewise, they could lose - they're very unpredictable at home in Europe and it depends what Liverpool turns up.

    What I will say though, is that if Liverpool win their home game and don't concede, then IMO they'll progress. If they concede and win, draw or lose though, I think they're out. so defence will be imperitive. Lets hope Agger is back Ale
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    Post by Cesc Soler Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:09 pm

    This was the team that lost 2-1 to Liverpool in the Champions League Quarter Final of Liverpool's winning 2004/2005 campaign:

    Juventus XI vs. Liverpool - 5 April 2005

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    Zebina . . Cannavaro . . Thuram . . Zambrotta

    Camoranesi . . Blasi . . Emerson . . Nedved

    Del Piero . . Ibrahimovic


    This team went on to win the Scuddeto, before the calciopoli the scandal reached the surface of Italian football.

    Which team is better - Juventus 2004/2005 or Inter 2007/2008?
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:02 pm

    Well, I'd have to say this Inter.

    The defence as a unit was stronger for Juve. Buffon was world class, Zambo was world class and so was Cannavaro.

    Zebina was a real weak link though. The midfield and attack both go to Inter though.

    Nedved is the only player from that Juve midfield that would make Inter's current squad (Nedved back then of course)

    Then up front, Ibrah now, is a far better player than he was back then. If I remember rightly, he did manage 16 league goals that season, but I think a lot was down to him being an unknown quantity. He had a poor second season.
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    Post by The Vermonster Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:03 pm

    Cesc wrote:This was the team that lost 2-1 to Liverpool in the Champions League Quarter Final of Liverpool's winning 2004/2005 campaign:

    Juventus XI vs. Liverpool - 5 April 2005

    Buffon

    Zebina . . Cannavaro . . Thuram . . Zambrotta

    Camoranesi . . Blasi . . Emerson . . Nedved

    Del Piero . . Ibrahimovic


    This team went on to win the Scuddeto, before the calciopoli the scandal reached the surface of Italian football.

    Which team is better - Juventus 2004/2005 or Inter 2007/2008?

    Didn't they have a perfectly legal goal disallowed at Anfield. Should have gone to Turin with a 2-2 draw, but .....
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    Post by Luis Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:10 pm

    I See RedNWhite wrote:
    Cesc wrote:This was the team that lost 2-1 to Liverpool in the Champions League Quarter Final of Liverpool's winning 2004/2005 campaign:

    Juventus XI vs. Liverpool - 5 April 2005

    Buffon

    Zebina . . Cannavaro . . Thuram . . Zambrotta

    Camoranesi . . Blasi . . Emerson . . Nedved

    Del Piero . . Ibrahimovic


    This team went on to win the Scuddeto, before the calciopoli the scandal reached the surface of Italian football.

    Which team is better - Juventus 2004/2005 or Inter 2007/2008?

    Didn't they have a perfectly legal goal disallowed at Anfield. Should have gone to Turin with a 2-2 draw, but .....

    Don't remember that scratch All i remember is a 30 yard screamer from a certain Spaniard past this bloke called Buffon
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    Post by Cesc Soler Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:10 pm

    Yes Del Piero has a perfectly good headed goal ruled out.

    Ibrahimovic also hit the post from what I remember.

    It was a great game, hopefully this one will be the same.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:11 pm

    Tweesus of Nazareth wrote:Well, I'd have to say this Inter.

    The defence as a unit was stronger for Juve. Buffon was world class, Zambo was world class and so was Cannavaro.

    Zebina was a real weak link though. The midfield and attack both go to Inter though.

    Nedved is the only player from that Juve midfield that would make Inter's current squad (Nedved back then of course)

    Then up front, Ibrah now, is a far better player than he was back then. If I remember rightly, he did manage 16 league goals that season, but I think a lot was down to him being an unknown quantity. He had a poor second season.

    I think the style of play is also very different. That Juve were very efficient, and apart from Ibra, they lacked in creativity. THey were built to win the league since they could grind out wins against the lesser sides. This Inter is much more dynamic and will also be less tired since the squad is rotated more.

    That said, i still think Liverpool will win because Benitez will get his tactics spot on, while Mancio is slightly dodgy in Europe.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:15 pm

    BoBo Vieri wrote:
    I think the style of play is also very different. That Juve were very efficient, and apart from Ibra, they lacked in creativity. THey were built to win the league since they could grind out wins against the lesser sides. This Inter is much more dynamic and will also be less tired since the squad is rotated more.

    That said, i still think Liverpool will win because Benitez will get his tactics spot on, while Mancio is slightly dodgy in Europe.

    Nedved was quite creative as well. But any side that plays two DMs in midfield isn't likely to set the world alight in the attacking third, especially with neither particularly gifted on the ball. Cambiasso alone is as creative as both blasi and emerson together.

    I think you're downplaying Inter's chances, and understandably so - but I put Inter as favourites for this one. A couple of injuries to Liverpool and they'll be up $h!t creek without a paddle. whenevern they've had a few injuries this season, thev're really struggled.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:22 pm

    Tweesus of Nazareth wrote:
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    I think the style of play is also very different. That Juve were very efficient, and apart from Ibra, they lacked in creativity. THey were built to win the league since they could grind out wins against the lesser sides. This Inter is much more dynamic and will also be less tired since the squad is rotated more.

    That said, i still think Liverpool will win because Benitez will get his tactics spot on, while Mancio is slightly dodgy in Europe.

    Nedved was quite creative as well. But any side that plays two DMs in midfield isn't likely to set the world alight in the attacking third, especially with neither particularly gifted on the ball. Cambiasso alone is as creative as both blasi and emerson together.

    I think you're downplaying Inter's chances, and understandably so - but I put Inter as favourites for this one. A couple of injuries to Liverpool and they'll be up $h!t creek without a paddle. whenevern they've had a few injuries this season, thev're really struggled.

    Nedved was good at linkingup with the forwards and offered alot of pace and good work rate and good shots but i wouldnt say he was creative.

    I agree on the injury front, Inter wont be affected by injuries (unless its to Ibra or Cambiasso), while Pool would be. I just know what Liverpool are like in KO games, and theyll be very hard to beat.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:25 pm

    BoBo Vieri wrote:I agree on the injury front, Inter wont be affected by injuries (unless its to Ibra or Cambiasso), while Pool would be. I just know what Liverpool are like in KO games, and theyll be very hard to beat.

    I'd be worried if it was the last 8, but at the last 16 I think you have a better chance. the pressure won't be on the minds of the Inter players so much, whereas the Pool players might not be as focussed.

    With their strongest 11, they could do Inter IMO, but I seriously doubt they'll have that luxury.
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    Post by Blue9 Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:17 am

    Either ways, I think this is the toughest game Mancio has had so far in Europe... this will show whether he has learnt well from his experience so far or not. I have always maintained that its not that Mancio is bad tactically, just that he is work in progress as a coach... he has had very little experience, and he has visibly grown as a coach season on season. He could become one of the great coaches of our times, given the time.

    And IMO, if Inter cotinue to play like they are, this will be the toughest game Benetiz has had so far in europe as well.

    It will be a battle. I am confident of our team IF we mantain our form. But the game is 2 months later, and thats a big IF!!
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    Post by GR Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:16 pm

    Blue9 wrote:Either ways, I think this is the toughest game Mancio has had so far in Europe... this will show whether he has learnt well from his experience so far or not. I have always maintained that its not that Mancio is bad tactically, just that he is work in progress as a coach... he has had very little experience, and he has visibly grown as a coach season on season. He could become one of the great coaches of our times, given the time.

    And IMO, if Inter cotinue to play like they are, this will be the toughest game Benetiz has had so far in europe as well.

    It will be a battle. I am confident of our team IF we mantain our form. But the game is 2 months later, and thats a big IF!!


    me thinks you need an away goal(s) to have any chance of going through.

    0-0 would still suit us imho
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    Post by bluenine Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:05 pm

    0-0 in the first leg, and you are as good as dead. It is very unlikely that Inter will not score at the Giuseppe Meazza, and it even more unlikely that we will lose at home...

    Liverpool need to score at Anfield, and win, otherwise it will become a very uphill task for you guys.

    GR-09 wrote:
    Blue9 wrote:Either ways, I think this is the toughest game Mancio has had so far in Europe... this will show whether he has learnt well from his experience so far or not. I have always maintained that its not that Mancio is bad tactically, just that he is work in progress as a coach... he has had very little experience, and he has visibly grown as a coach season on season. He could become one of the great coaches of our times, given the time.

    And IMO, if Inter cotinue to play like they are, this will be the toughest game Benetiz has had so far in europe as well.

    It will be a battle. I am confident of our team IF we mantain our form. But the game is 2 months later, and thats a big IF!!


    me thinks you need an away goal(s) to have any chance of going through.

    0-0 would still suit us imho
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    Post by The Vermonster Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:26 am

    bluenine wrote:0-0 in the first leg, and you are as good as dead. It is very unlikely that Inter will not score at the Giuseppe Meazza, and it even more unlikely that we will lose at home...

    Liverpool need to score at Anfield, and win, otherwise it will become a very uphill task for you guys.

    GR-09 wrote:
    Blue9 wrote:Either ways, I think this is the toughest game Mancio has had so far in Europe... this will show whether he has learnt well from his experience so far or not. I have always maintained that its not that Mancio is bad tactically, just that he is work in progress as a coach... he has had very little experience, and he has visibly grown as a coach season on season. He could become one of the great coaches of our times, given the time.

    And IMO, if Inter cotinue to play like they are, this will be the toughest game Benetiz has had so far in europe as well.

    It will be a battle. I am confident of our team IF we mantain our form. But the game is 2 months later, and thats a big IF!!


    me thinks you need an away goal(s) to have any chance of going through.

    0-0 would still suit us imho

    0-0 at Anfield, followed by a score draw at San Siro will mean Deja Vu all over for Inter. Liverpool wont win a game but progress on away goals.

    Agreed that Inter squad pisses all over Liverpool, but then on the field it is 11 vs 11 and it depends on which 11 turn up. Had it been any other manager, it would have been tough to even imagine Inter winning by less than 3 goals in aggregate. But with Benitez I will not be surprised if come March 8th Inter have only Scudetto to play for.
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    Post by bluenine Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:30 am

    I don't think there is that big a difference between squads or 11s. When it comes to top teams, there rarely is.

    I think we will have two close games, coz I think Benitez will come out with an extra cautious approach - which probably is the right thing to do against Inter. Still it is difficult to imagine Inter not scoring in either game, at the mo the way we are playing.

    Still, its a long time between now and the games, our form could change which could even things out. You are right, Liverpool can easily pull a valencia on us - thats why I wanted us to avoid them. If we lose one more time on that stupid away goals rule.............................

    I See RedNWhite wrote:

    0-0 at Anfield, followed by a score draw at San Siro will mean Deja Vu all over for Inter. Liverpool wont win a game but progress on away goals.

    Agreed that Inter squad pisses all over Liverpool, but then on the field it is 11 vs 11 and it depends on which 11 turn up. Had it been any other manager, it would have been tough to even imagine Inter winning by less than 3 goals in aggregate. But with Benitez I will not be surprised if come March 8th Inter have only Scudetto to play for.
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    Post by GR Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:39 pm

    bluenine wrote:0-0 in the first leg, and you are as good as dead. It is very unlikely that Inter will not score at the Giuseppe Meazza, and it even more unlikely that we will lose at home...

    Liverpool need to score at Anfield, and win, otherwise it will become a very uphill task for you guys.


    I can see us scoring at your place tbh Ale
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    Post by GR Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:41 pm

    I See RedNWhite wrote:
    0-0 at Anfield, followed by a score draw at San Siro will mean Deja Vu all over for Inter. Liverpool wont win a game but progress on away goals.

    Agreed that Inter squad pisses all over Liverpool
    , but then on the field it is 11 vs 11 and it depends on which 11 turn up. Had it been any other manager, it would have been tough to even imagine Inter winning by less than 3 goals in aggregate. But with Benitez I will not be surprised if come March 8th Inter have only Scudetto to play for.


    Complete Utter Bullshit ok Ale
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    Post by Luis Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:38 pm

    In some ways yes it does piss on our squad if were going on how we've performed through the season so far

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