What kind of club makes money from a disaster !

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Well..what did you expect? Them Jews eh!!

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borocooper wrote:There shouldnt be a minutes silence..its fucking stupid whenever there is.

1 minutes clapping if anything.

City fans have been asking for 1 mins clapping because we know some fans will boo and shout Munich, but its been turned down by U*d.

So now we will have to sit back and get slated by everyone for being a bunch of c**ts cos there is no way the minute will pass in silence. Sven and Dunne have even wrote a letter to fans asking them to be quite and remember that ex City Frank Swift also lost his life in the crash. However, i cant see everyone being quite, the hatred is incredible, many people will be pissed and tbh out of 3,000 people your always going to get a few dickheads.

Still this could all be prevented if they just have a mins clapping. Some City fans have actually said they might randomly try to start it off but it will take big bollocks to try that and not look a dick.

By the way i will stay quiet and pay my respects for Frank Swift.

This was like when we played West Ham in the FA Cup semi final(im sure Deano will remember) I cant remember which West Ham ex had died..an old manager, Lyall maybe? or Greenwood? I think...anyway. Its always pretty tense I find in a mins silence, you're stood there with about 30,000+ other people and expecting all of them to stay quiet..and most are expecting something to go wrong. As you say, you're going to get some wankers everywhere..or some pissheads.

At the semi final..the west ham fans started to clap and chant for the bloke who'd died. I think alot of the Boro fans didnt realise what'd happened and thought someone from our end had started fucking about making the West Ham fans start to cheer to drown it out. So then some Boro fans started to boo..then someone West Ham fans started to boo..to some up, it was a bit of a fucking mess. The West Ham fans were right to do whatever they felt was the best tribute..just a shame noone informed the Boro fans it was going to be like that..

I bow to no one in my loathing for United but it is pretty sad if a silence on the anniversary of the Munich disaster can't be respected, or if it gets cancelled for fear of that. Minute's silences have certainly become too widespread, to the point of meaninglessness, these days but this one is surely deserving of commemoration.

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Allez les rouges wrote: Minute's silences have certainly become too widespread, to the point of meaninglessness

W to the G

Axeslammer wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote: Minute's silences have certainly become too widespread, to the point of meaninglessness

W to the G

I feel the same...black armbands too. Heck, nowadays *not* wearing a black armband seems to be against the norm, rather than vice versa.

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borocooper wrote:This was like when we played West Ham in the FA Cup semi final(im sure Deano will remember) I cant remember which West Ham ex had died..an old manager, Lyall maybe? or Greenwood? I think...anyway. Its always pretty tense I find in a mins silence, you're stood there with about 30,000+ other people and expecting all of them to stay quiet..and most are expecting something to go wrong. As you say, you're going to get some wankers everywhere..or some pissheads.

At the semi final..the west ham fans started to clap and chant for the bloke who'd died. I think alot of the Boro fans didnt realise what'd happened and thought someone from our end had started fucking about making the West Ham fans start to cheer to drown it out. So then some Boro fans started to boo..then someone West Ham fans started to boo..to some up, it was a bit of a fucking mess. The West Ham fans were right to do whatever they felt was the best tribute..just a shame noone informed the Boro fans it was going to be like that..

Yeah was for John Lyall...tbh, you weren't really to know I guess. Noone actually said anything was going to happen. We just started doing it, wasn't organised...which is why it fucked up. But we sang for him at the end...which was all good.

Fearful Manchester City supporters have urged Manchester United to abandon plans for a minute's silence to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster before next month's Manchester derby.

City's official supporters' club have written to United and the Barclays Premier League over fears the tribute will be marred by a vocal minority amongst the 3,000 travelling fans at Old Trafford on February 10.

A minute's silence to mark the death of former United player Noel Cantwell during a derby game in September 2005 was cut short after just 35 seconds by anti-United chanting from the City supporters.

Kevin Parker, the supporters' club secretary, said: "Although there is some friendly rivalry between supporters of the two clubs, there is also a great deal of hatred and there will be some City fans who will not want to go along with the recognition of the disaster.

"We plead with United to change the proposed minute's silence to applause.

"In this way, any idiot who does not share these views (of respect) will be drowned out rather than highlighted."

However, United feel applause is not appropriate to mark the tragic loss.

Although both clubs have worked closely in an effort to ease tensions a minority of City fans have recently been heard chanting, 'We're all going to the golden jubilee,' to the tune of Yellow Submarine at recent away games.

United fans are furious that the logo of club sponsor AIG is included in a giant tribute unveiled at Old Trafford.

The company's motif and United's badge stand either side of the legend, 'They play on in our memories' at the foot of the moving tribute to the United players who were among 23 victims of the crash.

In a joint statement, United fans' groups likened the combination of words and logo to "a cheesy advertising strapline" and demanded its removal.

"It appears an attempt to monetise the remembrance of Munich by associating themselves with the powerful emotions generated," they added.

But United, who have a £56million deal with AIG, said: "It is entirely appropriate that a partner as closely involved as AIG would want to remember that extraordinary team, cut down in its prime."
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Why the f@ck wont they listen.

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Sgoater1 wrote:

Although both clubs have worked closely in an effort to ease tensions a minority of City fans have recently been heard chanting, 'We're all going to the golden jubilee,' to the tune of Yellow Submarine at recent away games.

These are the c**ts who have no shame.

I have to agree with MUFC, some of the survivors would be there including Sir Bobby Charlton and for them and their familys it is right Manchester United and their opponents hold a minutes silence in remembrance.

It's an old fashioned thing, maybe clapping appeals more to the modern age, but the people who care about this more are not modern.... I think a minute's silence is what they want so they should have it. Surely it's not hard to shut up for just one minute.

L r d wrote:It's an old fashioned thing, maybe clapping appeals more to the modern age, but the people who care about this more are not modern.... I think a minute's silence is what they want so they should have it. Surely it's not hard to shut up for just one minute.

Clapping is more an apprective manner in regards to celebrating one's life, there is nothing wrong with it and it doesn't mean one is 'modern' for doing so.

As for shutting up for one minute, over the years some Mancs have mocked and made insults during the one minute silence for H'boro as have some L'pool fans for the Munich, you must surely know about that

Would you condemn those of your own fans that particapate in such behaviour or is it you critcise others for not respecting Munich?

Manchester United fans who have not observed minute silence for any such tragedies especially one that shook English Football in Hillsborough are not real fans, as you've mentioned every club have fans who have no shame and should be isolated. Like I have said the families and survivors of the disaster will be at OT and in their wishes I hope a minute silence would be undertaken for remembrance of those who lost their lives.

johan neeskens wrote:Manchester United fans who have not observed minute silence for any such tragedies especially one that shook English Football in Hillsborough are not real fans, as you've mentioned every club have fans who have no shame and should be isolated. Like I have said the families and survivors of the disaster will be at OT and in their wishes I hope a minute silence would be undertaken for remembrance of those who lost their lives.

Heres hoping to that

But if $h!t does occur, it will be the media/Mancs having a go at Citeh like SG said. Even though the Mancs are no angels themselves and have done some disgracful things in the past notably to Liverpool and vice versa.

I just hope if does kick off, the majority of Mancs will start pulling out the victim card like it only happens to them.

Ade Alves wrote:

L r d wrote:It's an old fashioned thing, maybe clapping appeals more to the modern age, but the people who care about this more are not modern.... I think a minute's silence is what they want so they should have it. Surely it's not hard to shut up for just one minute.

Clapping is more an apprective manner in regards to celebrating one's life, there is nothing wrong with it and it doesn't mean one is 'modern' for doing so.

As for shutting up for one minute, over the years some Mancs have mocked and made insults during the one minute silence for H'boro as have some L'pool fans for the Munich, you must surely know about that

Would you condemn those of your own fans that particapate in such behaviour or is it you critcise others for not respecting Munich?

Im sure the older generation prefer a minutes silence.

Not sure what you're banging on about in the rest, to much time on Liverpool sites me thinks. I don't really care what those guys from liverpool and man utd sing about each other, it's pointless squabbles with both sides blaming the other. This is not relevent. Surely it's not difficult to shut up for one minute......

it's clearly a question of money. Perhaps if the fans who want a minutes silence/applause can come up with the same sort of cash AIG paid then the club will give them what they want.

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L r d wrote:It's an old fashioned thing, maybe clapping appeals more to the modern age, but the people who care about this more are not modern.... I think a minute's silence is what they want so they should have it. Surely it's not hard to shut up for just one minute.

You've never met a city supporter have you?

Di Caniooooo! wrote:

L r d wrote:It's an old fashioned thing, maybe clapping appeals more to the modern age, but the people who care about this more are not modern.... I think a minute's silence is what they want so they should have it. Surely it's not hard to shut up for just one minute.

You've never met a city supporter have you?

maybe he's never been to manchester?

Sgoater1 wrote:But United, who have a £56million deal with AIG, said: "It is entirely appropriate that a partner as closely involved as AIG would want to remember that extraordinary team, cut down in its prime."
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Why the f@ck wont they listen.

Because they're an insurance firm. Reminding people of disaster boosts their revenue. Fear boosts their profits.


Such is capitalism. I've said it before and I'll say it again - it corrupts and perverts everything it touches. Blame the accountants, lawyers, bankers, politicians and executives. They run the show.

I can't believe I'm writing this but I'm with United on this one. With all due respect to Noel Cantwell, who the feck is he? I can almost understand City fans being miffed at being supposed to stay silent for him – a classic example of destroying the meaning of these silences through overuse. It's not a reasonable comparison though.

This is quite obviously different – a disaster which caused the deaths of a generation of talent and whose significance goes far beyond its meaning to one club. The applause thing I find slightly forced and inappropriate at times – quite understandable if, say, an aged legend had died naturally, but entirely inappropriate here. Applause for Phil O'Donnell would be ridiculous enough, but imagine applause for 9/11, for fuck's sake.

The sponsor's name clearly shouldn't go on the memorial, and the silence is equally clearly the right thing to do.

The thing is..it might seem like the silence is the right thing to do..and its yes, it should be easy for people to shut up for a minute but the thing is, there's a good chance they'll be some pissed up twats who just wont respect the silence are not even pissed up..just some ignorant wankers who have no respect for anyone. Its happened at the Riverside a few times, when some of our old players have died..Willie Maddren or Wilf Mannion for example..I cant remember which silence it was, but it was completely ruined by some stupid Derby fans. A few started to sing..so a few started to laugh..so a few started to boo..so the ref had to stop the silence early...it was terrible, especially know the widow was in the ground.

Allez les rouges wrote: With all due respect to Noel Cantwell, who the feck is he?

An absolute legend is who he is...spent 8 years with us...captaining the side, taking us to the top flight where we stayed, and subsequently became a top side around the 60's...with the players we had.

He then went to Man Utd where his success was even greater. We held a silence for him after it happened, and went on to beat Villa 4-0. I think it spurred them on tbh. It's a shame when players like this aren't always known or remembered tbh. Not a dig at you in anyway, I just see think it's a sad state of affairs.

Allez les rouges wrote:I can't believe I'm writing this but I'm with United on this one. With all due respect to Noel Cantwell, who the feck is he? I can almost understand City fans being miffed at being supposed to stay silent for him – a classic example of destroying the meaning of these silences through overuse. It's not a reasonable comparison though.

This is quite obviously different – a disaster which caused the deaths of a generation of talent and whose significance goes far beyond its meaning to one club. The applause thing I find slightly forced and inappropriate at times – quite understandable if, say, an aged legend had died naturally, but entirely inappropriate here. Applause for Phil O'Donnell would be ridiculous enough, but imagine applause for 9/11, for fuck's sake.

The sponsor's name clearly shouldn't go on the memorial, and the silence is equally clearly the right thing to do.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=2&x_article=265

Matthew Upson wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote: With all due respect to Noel Cantwell, who the feck is he?

An absolute legend is who he is...spent 8 years with us...captaining the side, taking us to the top flight where we stayed, and subsequently became a top side around the 60's...with the players we had.

He then went to Man Utd where his success was even greater. We held a silence for him after it happened, and went on to beat Villa 4-0. I think it spurred them on tbh. It's a shame when players like this aren't always known or remembered tbh. Not a dig at you in anyway, I just see think it's a sad state of affairs.

I understand he was quite a cricketer too

This is the issue for me, I still think it's worth drawing a distinction between individuals, however legendary they were for their clubs, and something like this. It might sound harsh but the former kind of commemoration is all too often an example of the overinflation of these silences, and besides they only encourage the "pissed-up wankers" who, in my view almost understandably, are thinking "what are they asking us to stand in respectful silence for this time?" – even if we are talking Emlyn Hughes, George Best, your man...

In a case like this, to cancel a silence for fear of "the wankers" is entirely the wrong, and cowardly, reason, to give up on a commemoration that should be marked. We're not talking the quiet passing of a legend here, we're talking about a disaster which cast a shadow over a generation.

Lee Dickson wrote:

Allez les rouges wrote:I can't believe I'm writing this but I'm with United on this one. With all due respect to Noel Cantwell, who the feck is he? I can almost understand City fans being miffed at being supposed to stay silent for him – a classic example of destroying the meaning of these silences through overuse. It's not a reasonable comparison though.

This is quite obviously different – a disaster which caused the deaths of a generation of talent and whose significance goes far beyond its meaning to one club. The applause thing I find slightly forced and inappropriate at times – quite understandable if, say, an aged legend had died naturally, but entirely inappropriate here. Applause for Phil O'Donnell would be ridiculous enough, but imagine applause for 9/11, for fuck's sake.

The sponsor's name clearly shouldn't go on the memorial, and the silence is equally clearly the right thing to do.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=2&x_article=265

A somewhat mischievous misinterpretation, which rather proves my point I think.

I do generally think the applauds are better (can't really ruin them tbh). When Man Utd came to Upton Park, the game after George Best passed away, we actually arranged an applause...and you had every single fan in the stadium signing "There's only one Georgie Best"...so it goes to show it can work well.