Woodgate Officially A Spurs Player

Spurs are without doubt a more successful club than Newcastle, when you say 'bigger' you are questioning their size, so for me it would be bizarre when questioning size you don't consider fans, stadium and purchasing ability.

Confounded says i

Football Genius wrote:Spurs are without doubt a more successful club than Newcastle, when you say 'bigger' you are questioning their size, so for me it would be bizarre when questioning size you don't consider fans, stadium and purchasing ability.

Confounded says i

Newcy have a bigger stadium, spend more wages, and were the more consistent team in the league between 1993-2004.

I expect 15,000 Spurs diehards to turn up to WHL tomorrow to welcome Woodgate at the official unveiling.

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:The real question is...Is Spurs now a bigger team than Newcastle ?

Nah.


The real question is...

Gareth Bale - £10m
Adel Taarabt - £2m
Yuri Berchiche - £1m
Darren Bent - £17m
Younes Kaboul - £8m
Danny Rose - £2m
Kevin-Prince Boateng - £5m
Jonathan Woodgate - £8m
???Alan Hutton - £9m???

Total = £62m

... money well spent?

Football Genius wrote:Spurs are without doubt a more successful club than Newcastle, when you say 'bigger' you are questioning their size, so for me it would be bizarre when questioning size you don't consider fans, stadium and purchasing ability.

Confounded says i

Debatable, it all depends on what you base it on. Spurs have won more cups, but Newcastle have more league titles - which surely means more!?

Kimbo wrote:

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:The real question is...Is Spurs now a bigger team than Newcastle ?

Nah.


The real question is...

Gareth Bale - £10m
Adel Taarabt - £2m
Yuri Berchiche - £1m
Darren Bent - £17m
Younes Kaboul - £8m
Danny Rose - £2m
Kevin-Prince Boateng - £5m
Jonathan Woodgate - £8m
???Alan Hutton - £9m???

Total = £62m

... money well spent?

Football Genius wrote:Spurs are without doubt a more successful club than Newcastle, when you say 'bigger' you are questioning their size, so for me it would be bizarre when questioning size you don't consider fans, stadium and purchasing ability.

Confounded says i

Debatable, it all depends on what you base it on. Spurs have won more cups, but Newcastle have more league titles - which surely means more!?

Spurs also have had more recent success, which for me would clinch the decision

This in no way suggests that Newcastle are a 'smaller' club than Spurs.

Kimbo wrote:

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:The real question is...Is Spurs now a bigger team than Newcastle ?

Nah.


The real question is...

Gareth Bale - £10m
Adel Taarabt - £2m
Yuri Berchiche - £1m
Darren Bent - £17m
Younes Kaboul - £8m
Danny Rose - £2m
Kevin-Prince Boateng - £5m
Jonathan Woodgate - £8m
???Alan Hutton - £9m???

Total = £62m

... money well spent?

Football Genius wrote:Spurs are without doubt a more successful club than Newcastle, when you say 'bigger' you are questioning their size, so for me it would be bizarre when questioning size you don't consider fans, stadium and purchasing ability.

Confounded says i

Debatable, it all depends on what you base it on. Spurs have won more cups, but Newcastle have more league titles - which surely means more!?

Hutton seems great tbf;

Let's be honest Kimbo mate...Spurs spend money recently on great players too.Berbatov,Davids,Malbranque,Naybet...

Newcastle have everything to compete with the likes of Liverpool,Mu and Arsenal but due to their englo-english view about manager in general and their romantism (they think they can be successful with offensive manager)well because of that you are in crisis since 4 or 5 years now!

Hope with Keegan you're in the right direction but so far the guy is playing Carr in RB...say it all for me

Whats this $h!t about him not being injured for ages?

He missed games towards the beginning of the season because he was injured..he's just missed the last 2 or 3 games because he was injured...he probably still is injured. He's had to be taken off in several different games because he simply wasnt fit enough to continue.

I hope he gets back to his best but he's been piss poor at times this season.

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:
Let's be honest Kimbo mate...Spurs spend money recently on great players too.Berbatov,Davids,Malbranque,Naybet...

Newcastle have everything to compete with the likes of Liverpool,Mu and Arsenal but due to their englo-english view about manager in general and their romantism (they think they can be successful with offensive manager)well because of that you are in crisis since 4 or 5 years now!

Hope with Keegan you're in the right direction but so far the guy is playing Carr in RB...say it all for me

Naybet, wtf?! Keegan is playing Carr because half of our defence is at the afican nations cup, i've explained this to you already. Carr has to be played because there is no one else, the only other options would be to play with a kid or play with 10 men.

And we're not in crisis ffs, we're not Leeds. We have a rich owner and no debt, we're in a nice position in that respect. People bang on about stability, well we're more stable now than i have ever seen.

borocooper wrote:Whats this $h!t about him not being injured for ages?

He missed games towards the beginning of the season because he was injured..he's just missed the last 2 or 3 games because he was injured...he probably still is injured. He's had to be taken off in several different games because he simply wasnt fit enough to continue.

I hope he gets back to his best but he's been piss poor at times this season.

Why if he was so amazeing with Boro he wasn't involved in the english national team failure ?

Seriously he is a great player even if at the time i thought he was very rude sometimes but why wasn't he playing when England had to play with Lescott for example ???

Football Genius wrote:
Spurs also have had more recent success, which for me would clinch the decision

This in no way suggests that Newcastle are a 'smaller' club than Spurs.

What counts as recent?

A nice table to compare league finishes...

Tottenham-----Year-----Newcastle
8th------------92/93--------Not in t'league
15th----------93/94----------3rd
7th----------94/95-----------6th
8th----------95/96-----------2nd
10th----------96/97----------2nd
14th----------97/98----------13th
11th----------98/99----------14th
10th----------99/00----------11th
12th----------00/01----------11th
9th----------01/02-----------4th
10th----------02/03----------3rd
14th----------03/04----------5th
9th----------04/05-----------14th
5th----------05/06-----------7th
5th----------06/07-----------13th
11th----------07/08----------12th???

I'd say we edge them.

Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:

borocooper wrote:Whats this $h!t about him not being injured for ages?

He missed games towards the beginning of the season because he was injured..he's just missed the last 2 or 3 games because he was injured...he probably still is injured. He's had to be taken off in several different games because he simply wasnt fit enough to continue.

I hope he gets back to his best but he's been piss poor at times this season.

Why if he was so amazeing with Boro he wasn't involved in the english national team failure ?

Seriously he is a great player even if at the time i thought he was very rude sometimes but why wasn't he playing when England had to play with Lescott for example ???

At the time he was probably injured again..or thought of as too big a risk since he could break down at any time.

Kimbo wrote:

Football Genius wrote:
Spurs also have had more recent success, which for me would clinch the decision

This in no way suggests that Newcastle are a 'smaller' club than Spurs.

What counts as recent?

A nice table to compare league finishes...

Tottenham-----Year-----Newcastle
8th------------92/93--------Not in t'league
15th----------93/94----------3rd
7th----------94/95-----------6th
8th----------95/96-----------2nd
10th----------96/97----------2nd
14th----------97/98----------13th
11th----------98/99----------14th
10th----------99/00----------11th
12th----------00/01----------11th
9th----------01/02-----------4th
10th----------02/03----------3rd
14th----------03/04----------5th
9th----------04/05-----------14th
5th----------05/06-----------7th
5th----------06/07-----------13th
11th----------07/08----------12th???

I'd say we edge them.

I understand you geordies understand that term success as 'relative' but i was referring to those shiny things that are kept in cabinets

Football Genius wrote:
I understand you geordies understand that term success as 'relative' but i was referring to those shiny things that are kept in cabinets

Again i would ask how recent you are talking about, neither of us have won anything since the premiership began.

Kimbo wrote:

Football Genius wrote:
I understand you geordies understand that term success as 'relative' but i was referring to those shiny things that are kept in cabinets

Again i would ask how recent you are talking about, neither of us have won anything since the premiership began.

League cup 1999
Fa cup final 1991

two more trophies in the last 20 years than Newcastle got

Football Genius wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Football Genius wrote:
I understand you geordies understand that term success as 'relative' but i was referring to those shiny things that are kept in cabinets

Again i would ask how recent you are talking about, neither of us have won anything since the premiership began.

League cup 1999
Fa cup final 1991

two more trophies in the last 20 years than Newcastle got

Do we really count the league cup?

Kimbo wrote:

Football Genius wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Football Genius wrote:
I understand you geordies understand that term success as 'relative' but i was referring to those shiny things that are kept in cabinets

Again i would ask how recent you are talking about, neither of us have won anything since the premiership began.

League cup 1999
Fa cup final 1991

two more trophies in the last 20 years than Newcastle got

Do we really count the league cup?

Its called a cup, and when you don't have many perhaps its a little arrogant to question the value of winning one, but then you've never experienced it, perhaps if Newcastle one day win a trophy..... you'll understand

The intertoto is a cup, that doesn't mean it's important. Personally i've never really seen the league cup as a major competition, if others do then fair enough. And before you say it it still wouldn't mean anything to me even if we won it - my reaction would be "why the bastard couldn't we win the other one".

Football Genius wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Football Genius wrote:
I understand you geordies understand that term success as 'relative' but i was referring to those shiny things that are kept in cabinets

Again i would ask how recent you are talking about, neither of us have won anything since the premiership began.

League cup 1999
Fa cup final 1991

two more trophies in the last 20 years than Newcastle got

3 Fa Cups, 3 leagues cups, and a waffa cup, since they last won anything.

We've won the league cup in the last few years

Boro>>>Spurs/Newcastle.

Spurs Medical Centre wrote:

Football Genius wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Football Genius wrote:
I understand you geordies understand that term success as 'relative' but i was referring to those shiny things that are kept in cabinets

Again i would ask how recent you are talking about, neither of us have won anything since the premiership began.

League cup 1999
Fa cup final 1991

two more trophies in the last 20 years than Newcastle got

3 Fa Cups, 3 leagues cups, and a waffa cup, since they last won anything.

Blackburn have a premier league title since you last won something(meaningful). Presumably they're the biggest outside the top 4?

Thats poor Kimbo, they've won 6 cups... the closer proximity of the successes displays a better consistancy this builds legacy and expectation to continue delivering, Blackburn's one season all be it a very good season was a flash in the pan

Football Genius wrote:Thats poor Kimbo, they've won 6 cups... the closer proximity of the successes displays a better consistancy this builds legacy and expectation to continue delivering, Blackburn's one season all be it a very good season was a flash in the pan

Stole the words out of my mouth.

Yes Newcy have been generally better than us in the last 15 yrs, but there's only a couple of runners up medals to show for it

The Scum:

League Titles: 2 (1950/51 & 1960/61)
FA Cups: 8 (1901, 1921, 1961, 1962, 1967, 1981, 1982, 1991)
League Cups: 3 (1971, 1973, 1999)
Community Shields: 4 (plus 3 more shared) (1920/21, 1951/52, 19610/62, 1962/63)
UEFA Cup: 2 (1972 & 1984)
European Cup Winners Cup: 1 (1963)
Anglo-Italian Cup: 1 (1972)

Pretty good tbh...

Football Genius wrote:Thats poor Kimbo, they've won 6 cups... the closer proximity of the successes displays a better consistancy this builds legacy and expectation to continue delivering, Blackburn's one season all be it a very good season was a flash in the pan

The problem is neither club has been successful recently. If you're going to look at trophies won then you have to look at ALL trophies, and not just pick a period to suit one club.

Don't get too down Kimbo, Woodgate is shite

Spurs Medical Centre wrote:

Football Genius wrote:Thats poor Kimbo, they've won 6 cups... the closer proximity of the successes displays a better consistancy this builds legacy and expectation to continue delivering, Blackburn's one season all be it a very good season was a flash in the pan

Stole the words out of my mouth.

Yes Newcy have been generally better than us in the last 15 yrs, but there's only a couple of runners up medals to show for it

Can you remember Spurs ever winning anything bar a league cup? I hate these arguments, fans of midtable clubs bickering over trophies won mostly before they were even born, as if one counts for more because it was a few years more recent.

Just so that people are aware that Newcastle did win something once upon a time. People seem to think we have no history, i read somewhere today that Leeds are "although not in the league undaboutly bigger" - despite winning less of everything.

First Division and Premier League titles: 4
Champions: 1904-05, 1906-07, 1908-09, 1926-27

FA Cups: 6
1910, 1924, 1932, 1951, 1952, 1955

Inter-Cities Fairs Cup/EUFA Cuo: 1
1969

These 2 should count but they were listed for Spurs so...

Charity Shields and Community Shields: 1
1909

Anglo-Italian Cup: 1
1973


I'm not saying that is great, not at all, i'm saying that it is comparable with Spurs less than impressive haul.

Woodgate and King if they stay fit they can and will rival the likes of Rio/Vida,Riccy/Alex,Gallas/Toure as EPL best 4/5.

EMPortuguese wrote:Woodgate and King if they stay fit they can and will rival the likes of Rio/Vida,Riccy/Alex,Gallas/Toure as EPL best 4/5.

Coughcough, shouldn't forget Carragher/Agger, who were statistically either the best of second best defence in the league last season.

Crouching Tiger wrote:

EMPortuguese wrote:Woodgate and King if they stay fit they can and will rival the likes of Rio/Vida,Riccy/Alex,Gallas/Toure as EPL best 4/5.

Coughcough, shouldn't forget Carragher/Agger, who were statistically either the best of second best defence in the league last season.

No way i rather have King/Woodgate in my defence over Agger/Carragher

Crouching Tiger wrote:

EMPortuguese wrote:Woodgate and King if they stay fit they can and will rival the likes of Rio/Vida,Riccy/Alex,Gallas/Toure as EPL best 4/5.

Coughcough, shouldn't forget Carragher/Agger, who were statistically either the best of second best defence in the league last season.

Kudos to Benitez and the 4 dms

Woodgate doesn't like black people, they'll never get on.